Is this the antichrist?

Started by ShelbyGT500, February 15, 2015, 08:54:05 PM

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Hmmmm, Then he'll be fighting Obama for the position. I honestly believe Obola is the Antichrist, even Nostradamus recognized him centuries ago.
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Ummmmmm ... probably not. Now, if he resurrects Greece from near bankruptcy and then becomes President-for-Life of EuroLand I'll reconsider my opinion.

As for that website, oy! KJV-Onlyism, RFID conspiracy theories, Pope Francis and Rick Warren are advocates of "Chrislam"?

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Quote from: SVPete on February 16, 2015, 12:03:09 PM
Ummmmmm ... probably not. Now, if he resurrects Greece from near bankruptcy and then becomes President-for-Life of EuroLand I'll reconsider my opinion.

As for that website, oy! KJV-Onlyism, RFID conspiracy theories, Pope Francis and Rick Warren are advocates of "Chrislam"?



Rick Warren pretty much started the Chrislam movement so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Also, I have long been suspect of RFID technology especially since they're making RFID tattoos now.

As to the topic of the thread, I think it's dangerous to engage in speculation of who it is or will be. We can be vigilant but the evidence for this guy is so minimal at this point, it seems silly to make a big deal about it. A whole lot of "ifs" still need to be fulfilled with him. If people get too wrapped up in accusing or speculating about one guy, they'll find "clues" that may not be correct and may be blinded to who the real antichrist will be. So I'll keep him on my radar but won't be making any accusations soon.

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Quote from: Dr. Meh on February 16, 2015, 07:08:04 PM
Rick Warren pretty much started the Chrislam movement so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Also, I have long been suspect of RFID technology especially since they're making RFID tattoos now.

As to the topic of the thread, I think it's dangerous to engage in speculation of who it is or will be. We can be vigilant but the evidence for this guy is so minimal at this point, it seems silly to make a big deal about it. A whole lot of "ifs" still need to be fulfilled with him. If people get too wrapped up in accusing or speculating about one guy, they'll find "clues" that may not be correct and may be blinded to who the real antichrist will be. So I'll keep him on my radar but won't be making any accusations soon.
I agree, RFID is a possible sinister issue, but anyone that carries a cell phone, is basically a walking RFID billboard.
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QuoteRick Warren pretty much started the Chrislam movement so I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
That it's bogus. What's the evidence for your claim? Keep in mind the standard of 1 Timothy 5:19. I don't think it's a standard Warren's accusers can meet, but if you want to look for examples from Warren's teaching where he equates Christianity and Islam or states that the Qur'an is as authoritative as the Bible, I'm sure many of his sermons are available, without cost, on Saddleback Church's website. Have at it! And no second-hand or tenth-hand claims of, "I heard Rick Warren say ...". Accusers' unsupported accusations are not evidence! I'll save you some time, though (I'm such a kind person!). Don't bother looking in The Purpose Drive Life or The Purpose Drive Church. I've read both - not due to this thread or other instances I've heard the Chrislam accusation - and you won't find anything that supports the accusation.

QuoteAlso, I have long been suspect of RFID technology especially since they're making RFID tattoos now.

Puh-lease!!! RFID is a technology, not a moral entity. GPS is a technology; cell phones are a technology; Bluetooth, Wireless A, B, G, and N, ethernet, your computer or your tablet are all technologies. They have no moral character. They are tools. Tools can be used for good or for evil. RFID is used to locate shipping containers in a storage yard. RFID is used by stores to reduce/stop shoplifting. RFID is used to time marathon, half marathon, etc. races (as I can show you on the back of a good number of race bibs and shoe tags). I'm sure brains more evil than mine could concoct ways to use RFID for evil purposes. Just as they could find evil uses for the hammer or wrench in your toolbox.

If you want a bogeyman to fear, fear the humans, not the tools they use. Evangelical Christians have spent 10s of millions of dollars (if not hundreds of millions or billions!) and burned incredible amounts of time with speculations about who The Antichrist might be, and what the Mark of the Beast might be, and who Gog and Magog are, and more subtopics than I care to try to recall. Spent and wasted! Such speculations are of very little value in learning how to live the Christian life (being a disciple), and of little more value in the first step of making disciples, witnessing. OTOH, I've seen how much damage fascination with such speculation can do.
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Quote from: SVPete on February 16, 2015, 08:21:54 PM
That it's bogus. What's the evidence for your claim? Keep in mind the standard of 1 Timothy 5:19. I don't think it's a standard Warren's accusers can meet, but if you want to look for examples from Warren's teaching where he equates Christianity and Islam or states that the Qur'an is as authoritative as the Bible, I'm sure many of his sermons are available, without cost, on Saddleback Church's website. Have at it! And no second-hand or tenth-hand claims of, "I heard Rick Warren say ...". Accusers' unsupported accusations are not evidence! I'll save you some time, though (I'm such a kind person!). Don't bother looking in The Purpose Drive Life or The Purpose Drive Church. I've read both - not due to this thread or other instances I've heard the Chrislam accusation - and you won't find anything that supports the accusation.

Puh-lease!!! RFID is a technology, not a moral entity. GPS is a technology; cell phones are a technology; Bluetooth, Wireless A, B, G, and N, ethernet, your computer or your tablet are all technologies. They have no moral character. They are tools. Tools can be used for good or for evil. RFID is used to locate shipping containers in a storage yard. RFID is used by stores to reduce/stop shoplifting. RFID is used to time marathon, half marathon, etc. races (as I can show you on the back of a good number of race bibs and shoe tags). I'm sure brains more evil than mine could concoct ways to use RFID for evil purposes. Just as they could find evil uses for the hammer or wrench in your toolbox.

If you want a bogeyman to fear, fear the humans, not the tools they use. Evangelical Christians have spent 10s of millions of dollars (if not hundreds of millions or billions!) and burned incredible amounts of time with speculations about who The Antichrist might be, and what the Mark of the Beast might be, and who Gog and Magog are, and more subtopics than I care to try to recall. Spent and wasted! Such speculations are of very little value in learning how to live the Christian life (being a disciple), and of little more value in the first step of making disciples, witnessing. OTOH, I've seen how much damage fascination with such speculation can do.

Is this a joke? You can't seriously believe that I have a fear of RFID technology. Is that really what you think the issue is? Of course it's about how it's used. And I think it's safe to say that the potential global implications of RFID tattoos are slightly higher than that of a hammer. Don't be dumb.

As to Rick Warren, I have heard him talk about the relationship of Christianity to Islam and the belief that we worship the same God. We do not. You sure got your panties in a twist about it but if you really want evidence, there's a site called youtube.com. I haven't checked it yet but I'm pretty sure you can find videos of him talking about it. You can do your own research. I hope. Keep in mind that all of the opposition to him and what he says isn't some big conspiracy and stems from truth. So you might not like what you find. But I doubt you'll even look.

Dr. Meh

Quote from: SVPete on February 16, 2015, 08:21:54 PM
That it's bogus. What's the evidence for your claim? Keep in mind the standard of 1 Timothy 5:19. I don't think it's a standard Warren's accusers can meet, but if you want to look for examples from Warren's teaching where he equates Christianity and Islam or states that the Qur'an is as authoritative as the Bible, I'm sure many of his sermons are available, without cost, on Saddleback Church's website. Have at it! And no second-hand or tenth-hand claims of, "I heard Rick Warren say ...". Accusers' unsupported accusations are not evidence! I'll save you some time, though (I'm such a kind person!). Don't bother looking in The Purpose Drive Life or The Purpose Drive Church. I've read both - not due to this thread or other instances I've heard the Chrislam accusation - and you won't find anything that supports the accusation.

Puh-lease!!! RFID is a technology, not a moral entity. GPS is a technology; cell phones are a technology; Bluetooth, Wireless A, B, G, and N, ethernet, your computer or your tablet are all technologies. They have no moral character. They are tools. Tools can be used for good or for evil. RFID is used to locate shipping containers in a storage yard. RFID is used by stores to reduce/stop shoplifting. RFID is used to time marathon, half marathon, etc. races (as I can show you on the back of a good number of race bibs and shoe tags). I'm sure brains more evil than mine could concoct ways to use RFID for evil purposes. Just as they could find evil uses for the hammer or wrench in your toolbox.

If you want a bogeyman to fear, fear the humans, not the tools they use. Evangelical Christians have spent 10s of millions of dollars (if not hundreds of millions or billions!) and burned incredible amounts of time with speculations about who The Antichrist might be, and what the Mark of the Beast might be, and who Gog and Magog are, and more subtopics than I care to try to recall. Spent and wasted! Such speculations are of very little value in learning how to live the Christian life (being a disciple), and of little more value in the first step of making disciples, witnessing. OTOH, I've seen how much damage fascination with such speculation can do.

Okay, I did more research on Chrislam and have a few changes. First, I didn't realize Chrislam is an actual formal religion. So let me say that I don't believe Warren is an actual Chrislam believer. However, I do believe he goes too far in his support for Islam and the parallels he tries to draw between them and Christians. He is muddying the waters between the two and that can be very dangerous especially for new Christians. It's one thing to have respect for and treat people of different religions with dignity but he pushes it to make it seem as though both religions are similar. I don't know if that technically counts as Chrislam though.

SVPete

Quote from: Dr. Meh on February 17, 2015, 12:05:56 AM
Is this a joke? You can't seriously believe that I have a fear of RFID technology. Is that really what you think the issue is? Of course it's about how it's used. And I think it's safe to say that the potential global implications of RFID tattoos are slightly higher than that of a hammer. Don't be dumb.

So, despite the comment being in your post you really didn't say, "Also, I have long been suspect of RFID technology ..."? "Suspect" vs. "fear" is a distinction without much significant difference. I could reword my post if you wish, but the meaning won't change.

Quote from: Dr. Meh on February 17, 2015, 12:05:56 AM
As to Rick Warren, I have heard him talk about the relationship of Christianity to Islam and the belief that we worship the same God. We do not. You sure got your panties in a twist about it but if you really want evidence, there's a site called youtube.com. I haven't checked it yet but I'm pretty sure you can find videos of him talking about it. You can do your own research. I hope. Keep in mind that all of the opposition to him and what he says isn't some big conspiracy and stems from truth. So you might not like what you find. But I doubt you'll even look.

Both US law and the 1 Timothy passage I referenced place the burden of proof on the accuser. You made the accusation, so you should be providing the proof, not trying to send me on a fruitless YouTube fishing expedition. So, no, I'm not going to waste my time.

"You sure got your panties in a twist about it ..." Take it up with the Apostle Paul:

QuoteDo not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses.

That's 1 Timothy 5:19, if you didn't already recognize it (and Paul was quoting from Moses). I could also quote the 8th or 9th (depending on which enumeration you use) Commandment. False accusations and requiring proof of accusations before pronouncing judgment are taken quite seriously by Scripture.
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Those who know, teach.
Ignorant incapables, regulate.

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Quote from: SVPete on February 17, 2015, 06:29:12 AM
So, despite the comment being in your post you really didn't say, "Also, I have long been suspect of RFID technology ..."? "Suspect" vs. "fear" is a distinction without much significant difference. I could reword my post if you wish, but the meaning won't change.

Both US law and the 1 Timothy passage I referenced place the burden of proof on the accuser. You made the accusation, so you should be providing the proof, not trying to send me on a fruitless YouTube fishing expedition. So, no, I'm not going to waste my time.

"You sure got your panties in a twist about it ..." Take it up with the Apostle Paul:

That's 1 Timothy 5:19, if you didn't already recognize it (and Paul was quoting from Moses). I could also quote the 8th or 9th (depending on which enumeration you use) Commandment. False accusations and requiring proof of accusations before pronouncing judgment are taken quite seriously by Scripture.

Lol, so you didn't read my next reply AND you quote scripture to justify your ignorance. Real smart. Even the scripture you cited says "without witnesses" yet you won't watch the videos to see what the witnesses say. Just bury your head in the sand and ignore Matthew 5:17 about false prophets and wolves in sheeps clothing, huh? We can have a scripture battle if you really want to. Ignorance is bliss for you. How about recognizing that just because you like his books does not make him a God. Maybe you shouldn't blindly defend him without looking for the evidence yourself. You say the evidence is on the accuser yet you refuse to look at the evidence. Does that make sense to you? You act like a diehard Obama supporter does.

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Quote from: Solar on February 16, 2015, 06:12:00 AM
Hmmmm, Then he'll be fighting Obama for the position. I honestly believe Obola is the Antichrist, even Nostradamus recognized him centuries ago.
Oh he is AN anti-christ, but he's not the one most people think of when it comes to the end of civilization as we know it. The Bible even says there will be many anti-christs.
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Quote from: daidalos on April 05, 2015, 03:03:05 PM
Oh he is AN anti-christ, but he's not the one most people think of when it comes to the end of civilization as we know it. The Bible even says there will be many anti-christs.
Agree. He is the first in a long line, though due to his status as the first, is recognized historically as the one..
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Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2015, 03:25:44 PM
Agree. He is the first in a long line, though due to his status as the first, is recognized historically as the one..

Hmmm.... no, he is not even the first in the long line.  We could go back in history as far as Antiochus Epiphanes and see numerous anti-christs... including Hitler.  But Obama seems to be insuring his name is on the list.

It is unlikely that the anti-christ of end times is even on the world scene yet.  If we really want to look at today through biblical prophecy..... start with Daniel Chapter 8.  The current middle east Nation shuffling is likely lining up  the regional powers to pave the way for the prophetical fulfillment of Daniel 8.

But Turkey has yet to become a regional power.  I expect the neo Ottoman Empire (including Greece) to precede the rise of the final anti-christ.  JMHO 

Although the current President of Turkey is rising to a godlike status in the middle east, he is unlikely the anti-christ.

Solar

Quote from: kroz on April 16, 2015, 12:03:34 PM
Hmmm.... no, he is not even the first in the long line.  We could go back in history as far as Antiochus Epiphanes and see numerous anti-christs... including Hitler.  But Obama seems to be insuring his name is on the list.

It is unlikely that the anti-christ of end times is even on the world scene yet.  If we really want to look at today through biblical prophecy..... start with Daniel Chapter 8.  The current middle east Nation shuffling is likely lining up  the regional powers to pave the way for the prophetical fulfillment of Daniel 8.

But Turkey has yet to become a regional power.  I expect the neo Ottoman Empire (including Greece) to precede the rise of the final anti-christ.  JMHO 

Although the current President of Turkey is rising to a godlike status in the middle east, he is unlikely the anti-christ.
Strangely enough Nostradamus saw this event unfold centuries ago, and referred to this time when the Antichrist would be revealed.
Granted, his quatrains were off for the most part, or were far too convoluted to mark in our history, but he did get a few correct in the 20th century.

I think he gets this one right. And yes, he did name Hitler as one of them.
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Quote from: Solar on April 16, 2015, 12:51:46 PM
Strangely enough Nostradamus saw this event unfold centuries ago, and referred to this time when the Antichrist would be revealed.
Granted, his quatrains were off for the most part, or were far too convoluted to mark in our history, but he did get a few correct in the 20th century.

I think he gets this one right. And yes, he did name Hitler as one of them.

When I was a young student I did a research paper on Nostradamus..... interesting fellow indeed.

You are right about his prophecies proving to be wrong most of the time.

With so many anti-christs throughout history you are bound to look like you darted a few.   :popcorn:

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