Is Islam Demonic?

[rangecontraction]

Please vote on this crucial poll.

[walkstall]

Please vote on this crucial poll.

When is your homework assignment(s) do?

[Solar]

When is your homework assignment(s) do?

What was the poll, and do you still have the link?

[rangecontraction]

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  Link removed

Its all on the blog

[walkstall]

What was the poll, and do you still have the link?

No I don't have the link.  He must have pulled it down after I posted.  I must remember to do a copy and paste.   He did posts in the War Forum looking for a reaction.

Hmm... It's back up now. 

Is Islam Demonic?
Yes definitely
Yes probably
I reckon it is
You bet ya!
No... its satanic

[rangecontraction]

What link, mate?

I gave you a link.

Vote GOP, vote UKIP, vote Netanyahu.

[Solar]

No I don't have the link.  He must have pulled it down after I posted.  I must remember to do a copy and paste.   He did posts in the War Forum looking for a reaction.

Hmm... It's back up now. 

Is Islam Demonic?
Yes definitely
Yes probably
I reckon it is
You bet ya!
No... its satanic

Good job. We don't need idiocy clogging up the forum.

[Darth Fife]

I guess that to answer that question (sans poll) one would first have to figure out whether or not they believe in "demons".

I don't, so the poll would be useless to me.

[kroz]

I guess that to answer that question (sans poll) one would first have to figure out whether or not they believe in "demons".

I don't, so the poll would be useless to me.

No spirit world for you?

I do believe in "spirits".   The Bible calls them angels.  There are "fallen angels" which are sometimes referred to as demons.

The Bible says that man was created a little higher than the angels.   The angels are God's messengers and emissaries to the world.   They glorify God.

[Darth Fife]

No spirit world for you?

Not in the sense you mean.

I do believe in "spirits".   The Bible calls them angels.  There are "fallen angels" which are sometimes referred to as demons.

The Bible says that man was created a little higher than the angels.   The angels are God's messengers and emissaries to the world.   They glorify God.

(Please don't take this the wrong way) The Bible also says that the Earth if a flat disk which has a crystalline dome which is the sky which keeps the waters of heaven out - except when it rains (Genesis 1:2-12). It also says that it is okay to own slaves (Leviticus 25:44-46) and stone homosexuals to death (Leviticus 20:13). 

I'm not trying to mock the Bible, just pointing out its limitations.

It was written by men trying to explain things they didn't understand. The "Spirit World" is easily explained by a combination of scientific and psychological  phenomenon (such as sleep paralysis, and lucid dreaming to name a few) and healthy dose of good old fashioned hucksterism.

That is not to say that there isn't a lot of very worthwhile stuff in the Bible, it just means that we shouldn't take it as... well... Gospel!

[red_dirt]

I hesitated to jump in on this one. It looks like the mods somewhat discouraged the thread on account of the reputation of the OP, but it bobbed and weaved its way past the original resistance. No one entered an alternative title.

There are natural and supernatural interpretations, definitions, of demon, demonic, and demon possessed, the latter being most closely linked to the supernatural; even at that, as Darth Fife has pointed out, there are natural expressions of demonic or spiritual possession. Experiments in hypnosis as in Freud, Timothy Leary, other clinicians are what I am talking about.  Timothy Leary may not be the best example, even though he started out as a clinical psychologist, winding up a full blown flower child.

Denying the existence of the spirit might be as much as anything a lack of agreement on what the definitions are. I suspect that's why the topic initially drew a reaction.

So much of our understanding and misunderstanding of Islam comes from that long period in which Islam was not considered a topic of ordinary conversation. Kind of like the alcoholic uncle. Make no mistake, some very intelligent people have been at work while we slept. They surveyed unsuspecting Moslems in shrewd ways to determine that 85% hated Jews and fully expected to take over Europe and the US, in time. They sneaked tiny cameras into services to record and tabulate the real goings on, such as in Wrights church, and yes, Mosque upon Mosque in France, UK, Italy, and Scandanavia.

Important to this discussion, they also documented Islamic "education," to the point there can be no doubt as to the depth of the Islamic world view, and how it develops and sticks with them all their lives.  So, to answer, Demonic? To paraphrase the Shrill, "Does it matter?"

[Darth Fife]

I hesitated to jump in on this one. It looks like the mods somewhat discouraged the thread on account of the reputation of the OP, but it bobbed and weaved its way past the original resistance. No one entered an alternative title.

There are natural and supernatural interpretations, definitions, of demon, demonic, and demon possessed, the latter being most closely linked to the supernatural; even at that, as Darth Fife has pointed out, there are natural expressions of demonic or spiritual possession. Experiments in hypnosis as in Freud, Timothy Leary, other clinicians are what I am talking about.  Timothy Leary may not be the best example, even though he started out as a clinical psychologist, winding up a full blown flower child.

Denying the existence of the spirit might be as much as anything a lack of agreement on what the definitions are. I suspect that's why the topic initially drew a reaction.

So much of our understanding and misunderstanding of Islam comes from that long period in which Islam was not considered a topic of ordinary conversation. Kind of like the alcoholic uncle. Make no mistake, some very intelligent people have been at work while we slept. They surveyed unsuspecting Moslems in shrewd ways to determine that 85% hated Jews and fully expected to take over Europe and the US, in time. They sneaked tiny cameras into services to record and tabulate the real goings on, such as in Wrights church, and yes, Mosque upon Mosque in France, UK, Italy, and Scandanavia.

Important to this discussion, they also documented Islamic "education," to the point there can be no doubt as to the depth of the Islamic world view, and how it develops and sticks with them all their lives.  So, to answer, Demonic? To paraphrase the Shrill, "Does it matter?"

I think we are both pretty much on the same page - or at least the same chapter.

My short answer is this. I am of the believe that man is quite capable of doing Evil all by himself. He doesn't need "demons" to help him along or as an excuse for the Evil he chooses to do.

[red_dirt]

I don't see any disagreement, considering that what matters is what is, not how it came to be.

Is the answer to this to some kind of an exorcism? Could the actions of the Islamics be "cured" if the Pope and a couple of Cardinals went over there with incense and incantations? We wish.
Webster defines demonic as evil.  Is Islam evil?  Well, I mean, look into it, those who have not already.
Wasn't it Gump who quoted, "Evil is as evil does?" Or was that, "stupid?"

[kroz]

Not in the sense you mean.

(Please don't take this the wrong way) The Bible also says that the Earth if a flat disk which has a crystalline dome which is the sky which keeps the waters of heaven out - except when it rains (Genesis 1:2-12). It also says that it is okay to own slaves (Leviticus 25:44-46) and stone homosexuals to death (Leviticus 20:13). 

I'm not trying to mock the Bible, just pointing out its limitations.

It was written by men trying to explain things they didn't understand. The "Spirit World" is easily explained by a combination of scientific and psychological  phenomenon (such as sleep paralysis, and lucid dreaming to name a few) and healthy dose of good old fashioned hucksterism.

That is not to say that there isn't a lot of very worthwhile stuff in the Bible, it just means that we shouldn't take it as... well... Gospel!

First of all, the Bible never implies that the earth is flat.  To the contrary, Isaiah 40:22 speaks of the "circle of the earth".  The same verse speaks of  a tent (or canopy) over it.  That refers back to the Genesis passage you mention.  Yes, originally the waters were separated.... waters above and below. Genesis 1:7.  That created a hyperbaric atmosphere on the face of the earth and the suns rays were filtered through a layer of water.  This enable men to live much longer lives.  It was not until the flood of Genesis chapter 7, that the upper waters fell to the earth.  The canopy was released and it flooded the face of the earth temporarily.  There was vast upheaval of the crust of the earth and the bible says that the earth was "divided".  It was then that there were seasons of the year and growing cycles. Genesis 8:22.  Until then, the entire earth was green and lush.  (That is why they find the fossilized remains of mastodons in polar regions of the earth.)

Yes,  the Bible does acknowledge the practice of slavery on the earth.  But that is a far cry from the slavery that we think about with the African slave industry.  In ancient history many people aspired to "slavery" because they were fed and clothed and treated as family.  Abraham entrusted the selection of his daughter-in-law to his slave/servant, who journeyed to a far away land to bring back Rebecca for Isaac.  Servants for the most part were simple employees who worked for their food and shelter.... a common practice for many centuries.  How else were they to get a job?

As far a homosexuality is concerned, the Bible makes no bones about it...... it is an abomination to God and perversion of His design for man.  That not only appears in Leviticus... but all through the Bible.  I make no apology for that.  Homosexuality is STILL an abomination to God and should be also to man.

I see no limitations of the Bible.  It was written by men INSPIRED BY GOD.  II Timothy 3:16
"ALL Scripture is inspired by God and profitable........

One other passage deserves to be acknowledged on this subject..

II Peter 1: 16-21
......... no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men MOVED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.


So, I see no weak link in the word of God.  And I definitely "take it as gospel."

The very use of that term implies that there is NO fallacy in the gospel of God.


Back to the discussion of the spirit world.  Scientists have discerned ten dimensions in the world.... we actually see only three of those.

[Darth Fife]

The Earth as described in Genesis...