INTERESTING--We may pre-disposed to 'believe

[Mountainshield]

For example, a religiously inclined person may intuit from looking a the grand canyon or a thunderstorm that there is a higher power: emotion and intuition...
But of course, I respect anyone's right to believe what they want to, and if it's a positive force in someone's life, then it's a good thing in my book :)

You are essentially correct in your main argument regarding freedom to believe whatever you want, but damn what a condescending jerk you are 

Believing in the existence of God is logical, I would advice you to read William Lane Craig "The Existence of God and the Beginning of the Universe" as for believing the Word of the Bible is the Word of God now that is faith. People appreciate God's creation when seeing the natural landscapes, awesome thunderstorm or watching the universe through a telescope, they don't go "woohaa cletus that thunder must be God being angry" 

[Darth Fife]

You are essentially correct in your main argument regarding freedom to believe whatever you want, but damn what a condescending jerk you are 

Believing in the existence of God is logical, I would advice you to read William Lane Craig "The Existence of God and the Beginning of the Universe" as for believing the Word of the Bible is the Word of God now that is faith. People appreciate God's creation when seeing the natural landscapes, awesome thunderstorm or watching the universe through a telescope, they don't go "woohaa cletus that thunder must be God being angry"[/i] 

I quite disagree. I think a majority of Christians believe that kind of nonsense, it one degree or another, than you would be comfortable with.

Several years ago, I was listening to the sermon of a Lutheran pastor - a friend of my wife and I. He was telling a story about how he and a group of missionaries were working on a building project in Mexico during the rainy season.

On this particular day, the project they were doing couldn't get wet (sorry, I forgot what it was). He pointed out that their odds of success were not good, but they went ahead any how.

He then went on to say how, although there were rain-showers in the vicinity, none of them approached their work site. He said with a completely straight face, that God had diverted each and every storm around their little project so that they could complete their job in safety. All, for the greater glory of God - of course.

Now, this wasn't some backwoods preacher who got his ordination via a mail order house. This was a colleged educated man with a master's degree who worked his way up through the traditional Lutheran Church In America "pipeline" if you will. There was nothing fringe about this man. He is as mainstream Christian as you can get.

And yet he honestly believed that God diverted storms so he and his missionaries could complete their projects.

I have an atheist friend who, back when I was a Christian would tell me that Christian Clergy who have any significant education know the truth, but they lie about it to keep the pews filled and the collection plates jingling. As annoying as that was, I found out that the real truth is far more terrifying...

And that is, that good, educated men and women, who should know better, actually believe the nonsense they preach to their congregations every Sunday! They subordinate their intellect and reason to they ramblings of some iron age prophet who claimed to have a revelation from "God".

No that is scary!

-Darth

[Sci Fi Fan]

Then why aren't more Liberals "believers"?

A snide comment, no matter how witty or clever it sounded in your head, is not a substitute for an actual argument, although when people have no actual argument they tend to try to pass it off as one.

Believing in the existence of God is logical, I would advice you to read William Lane Craig

No it is not, and if you believe the hilariously flawed logic of a guy who literally defended baby killing and mass genocide in the Old Testament, I have some swampland in Florida to sell you.

[Mountainshield]

No it is not, and if you believe the hilariously flawed logic of a guy who literally defended baby killing and mass genocide in the Old Testament, I have some swampland in Florida to sell you.

A snide comment, no matter how witty or clever it sounded in your head, is not a substitute for an actual argument

Right back at ya 

[Sci Fi Fan]

Right back at ya 

You aren't the brightest bulb in the drawer, are you?  You made the assertion that Craig has a logical justification for God's existence.  Given that the burden of proof is on you to enunciate his position, I can make all the snide comments I want until you provide me with it.

[kit saginaw]

You aren't the brightest bulb in the drawer, are you?  You made the assertion that Craig has a logical justification for God's existence.  Given that the burden of proof is on you to enunciate his position, I can make all the snide comments I want until you provide me with it.

What's with the baiting?  What do you care who believes what?  So what? 

Know what a color-charge is, in particle-physics?  Better yet; explain randomness. 

[Sci Fi Fan]

What do you care who believes what? 

Ask the OP.  The purpose of this thread is to ask who believes what, and why, and you're attacking me for wanting to know the answer to that?   

Know what a color-charge is, in particle-physics?  Better yet; explain randomness.

This has...what to do with anything again?  Are you trying to show off the catchphrases you learned on Wikipedia?

[kit saginaw]

Ask the OP.  The purpose of this thread is to ask who believes what, and why, and you're attacking me for wanting to know the answer to that?   

This has...what to do with anything again?  Are you trying to show off the catchphrases you learned on Wikipedia?

There it is, folks.  The Summer Of My Muriel Hemingway Intellect...

[Solar]

There it is, folks.  The Summer Of My Muriel Hemingway Intellect...

She's the paradigm of "Oh yeah, but what am I" 7 year olds argument.

Has absolutely nothing to show for an intelligent reply, so she resorts to what works for her.

[Sci Fi Fan]

There it is, folks.  The Summer Of My Muriel Hemingway Intellect...

So, when you have no logical argument to provide, you resort to choir-preaching and substance-less mockery.  And I'm supposed to believe your brain was "intelligently designed"?   

[kit saginaw]

So, when you have no logical argument to provide, you resort to choir-preaching and substance-less mockery.  And I'm supposed to believe your brain was "intelligently designed"?   

You're not 'supposed to believe' anything.  So quit being the Belief Police. 

Turn-on any geiger-counter and you'll hear the Creation still in-progress.  -Particles slamming everywhere at big bang-speed.   

[Darth Fife]

A snide comment, no matter how witty or clever it sounded in your head, is not a substitute for an actual argument, although when people have no actual argument they tend to try to pass it off as one.

Liberals claim to be more in touch with their "feelings" and more intuitive than Conservatives. If, therefore as the subject of this thread contends, intuition and feelings play a big part in belief in God, then logically, Liberals should be more likely to be believers than those cold-hearted, calculating Conservatives!

Just because you are too stupid to come up with an answer, doesn't mean you to dodge the question.

Darth