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Re: Interesting question...
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2013, 02:13:11 PM »
So God did not have to tell the angels in heaven he was number one.   It was just for the creation of man that God became Holy.

As far as I know, God always was, and always will be. There's lots of stuff I don't know. Anything I say about things like this, is pure speculation. I reserve the right to be wrong. :smile:

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Re: Interesting question...
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2013, 02:58:33 PM »
Did this also include Mars or Venus, or any other planet even in any other stellar system?

Just asking.......

Wellllll...I started the sentence with..."If you read Genesis 1 literally...," which it appeared the poster to whom I was responding was doing.  If you read it literally, then it doesn't account for other planets at all (which doesn't necessarily imply that God didn't create other planets).

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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2013, 03:00:38 PM »
Words, (all words), including the word "Holy", are for our benefit; not for God's.

Words are necessary to help us to comprehend something that we are incapable of comprehending.

So no. In my opinion, God was not Holy before the creation of man.

Interesting...because you got to the heart of the question.  "Holy" means "separate" or "distinct."  Many Christians would say that "holy" is little more specific--"separate from evil or sin."

Before Creation, sin does not exist.  So how can God be defined as "separate" from it?  Even in the general sense, if "holy" means "distinct," then...before Creation, distinct from what?

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2013, 03:18:35 PM »
Interesting...because you got to the heart of the question.  "Holy" means "separate" or "distinct."  Many Christians would say that "holy" is little more specific--"separate from evil or sin."

Before Creation, sin does not exist.  So how can God be defined as "separate" from it?  Even in the general sense, if "holy" means "distinct," then...before Creation, distinct from what?

Sin does not exist before creation...........as we know it.

In order to even begin to scratch the surface of what God is, we must personify Him. Even the word "Him" is a misnomer. It designates God as a human male; which we all know is false.

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2013, 03:29:11 PM »
As far as I know, God always was, and always will be. There's lots of stuff I don't know. Anything I say about things like this, is pure speculation. I reserve the right to be wrong. :smile:

 :lol:  Don't we all. 
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2013, 03:38:18 PM »
Sin does not exist before creation...........as we know it.

In order to even begin to scratch the surface of what God is, we must personify Him. Even the word "Him" is a misnomer. It designates God as a human male; which we all know is false.

Actually, it doesn't.  For arguments' sake, there are animals that are male that we call "him."  Also, most other languages have feminine and masculine nouns that are irrelevant to sexuality.  But in the Bible, God primarily reveals himself as "Father"--the "other" parent that loves.  We are naturally connected to our mothers; our father is the "other" parent that loves.  But besides his primary revelation as Father, he also communicates feminine qualities as well.  But you're right; God is not a human male.

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2013, 03:42:15 PM »
Interesting...because you got to the heart of the question.  "Holy" means "separate" or "distinct."  Many Christians would say that "holy" is little more specific--"separate from evil or sin."

Before Creation, sin does not exist.   So how can God be defined as "separate" from it?  Even in the general sense, if "holy" means "distinct," then...before Creation, distinct from what?

So Lucifer, or what every you would like to call him/it did not exist.
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2013, 03:45:48 PM »
Actually, it doesn't.  For arguments' sake, there are animals that are male that we call "him."  Also, most other languages have feminine and masculine nouns that are irrelevant to sexuality.  But in the Bible, God primarily reveals himself as "Father"--the "other" parent that loves.  We are naturally connected to our mothers; our father is the "other" parent that loves.  But besides his primary revelation as Father, he also communicates feminine qualities as well.  But you're right; God is not a human male.

The Bible had to be put into a context that we could understand. And yet, the Bible is not perfect..........or at least our interpretation isn't perfect. A lot of blood has been spilled over biblical interpretation.

Even as we speak, Yawn is spinning his little brain into knots. :smile:

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2013, 04:19:20 PM »
So Lucifer, or what every you would like to call him/it did not exist.

The Accuser (lit., "the satan") exists.  Exactly in what form?  I don't know.  Did he "invent sin" before Creation?  Possibly.  Guesswork.  "Lucifer," however, is a mistranslation.

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2013, 04:25:57 PM »
The Accuser (lit., "the satan") exists.  Exactly in what form?  I don't know.  Did he "invent sin" before Creation?  Possibly.  Guesswork.  "Lucifer," however, is a mistranslation.

I know it sounds cliche, but I like the "Star Wars" analogy to good vs evil, God vs satan.

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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2013, 04:27:49 PM »
I know it sounds cliche, but I like the "Star Wars" analogy to good vs evil, God vs satan.

The problem with that is that it is dualist.  (The) satan is not God's equal.  Neither are the two different sides of the same coin (like the "light side" and the "dark side" of the Force).

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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2013, 04:40:44 PM »
The problem with that is that it is dualist.  (The) satan is not God's equal.  Neither are the two different sides of the same coin (like the "light side" and the "dark side" of the Force).

It's certainly not a perfect analogy.

Nor would I ever pretend to understand it all. satan is not God's equal, and yet God allows evil to exist.

Without the existence of evil; good would have no meaning. The Star Wars thing is an over simplification, but human nature itself is dualistic; both sides reside in us. Choices are constantly being made. Making the right ones is where it sometimes gets difficult.

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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2013, 05:16:28 PM »
It's certainly not a perfect analogy.

Nor would I ever pretend to understand it all. satan is not God's equal, and yet God allows evil to exist.

Without the existence of evil; good would have no meaning. The Star Wars thing is an over simplification, but human nature itself is dualistic; both sides reside in us. Choices are constantly being made. Making the right ones is where it sometimes gets difficult.

...and I still like Star Wars. :cool:

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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2013, 05:20:49 PM »
...and I still like Star Wars. :cool:

Me too. As well as the moral lessons from the original Star Trek...............despite Captain Kirk's wandering eye. :biggrin:

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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2013, 06:32:01 PM »
The Accuser (lit., "the satan") exists.  Exactly in what form?  I don't know.  Did he "invent sin" before Creation?  Possibly.  Guesswork.  "Lucifer," however, is a mistranslation.

Hmm....My understand, there are more names for Satan in the Bible than for anyone else except Jesus.  There are over 40 names for him/it in the New King James Version of the Bible.  I am sure there more as we find more data. 

i am sure there more then one way into the kingdom of God.  But that's just my way of thinking. 
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