If God exists, why are the faithful so along demographic liines?

Started by Sci Fi Fan, May 04, 2013, 09:12:25 AM

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Solar

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 10, 2013, 06:18:11 PM
:blink: As my argument was an ad reductio ad absurdum, I was implying precisely the opposite.  This is extremely basic reading comprehension.

How the hell could somebody with a functioning frontal lobe not understand this?
Most of your posts and reasoning is so absurd, it's hard to tell when you're being flippant, or serious, and yes, I'm serious.
Your posts expose Marxist qualities continuously, so it's reasonable to assume you were serious when you asked if Capitalists are going to Hell.
Maybe you need to master the smiley function, hmmmm?
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Quote from: Solar on May 10, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
Most of your posts and reasoning is so absurd, it's hard to tell when you're being flippant, or serious, and yes, I'm serious.

I'm afraid you actually are serious.  It took you entire page to figure out what an argument from absurdity looks like.

And no attempts to shift blame onto me for you misunderstanding would work in light of the fact that I was "criticizing" capitalists on the grounds of the 10th amendment.  Now Solar, here's a basic question that you should, despite your difficulties in understanding simple argument forms, answer easily:

Do you think that I, an outspoken atheist, would condemn capitalism by using the Scripture?

Think about that for a moment.

Solar

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 10, 2013, 06:50:27 PM
I'm afraid you actually are serious.  It took you entire page to figure out what an argument from absurdity looks like.

And no attempts to shift blame onto me for you misunderstanding would work in light of the fact that I was "criticizing" capitalists on the grounds of the 10th amendment.  Now Solar, here's a basic question that you should, despite your difficulties in understanding simple argument forms, answer easily:

Do you think that I, an outspoken atheist, would condemn capitalism by using the Scripture?

Think about that for a moment.
You assume I read this thread, I only read your comment to MFA and your comment to me.
But Atheist or not, you're still a Marxist, and that is enough to make anyone question your remarks regarding Capitalism.
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Quote from: Solar on May 10, 2013, 07:11:02 PM
You assume I read this thread, I only read your comment to MFA and your comment to me.

Reading comments without context is a dangerous philosophy.  It's actually what the "liberal media" regularly uses to twist stories in their preferences.  You don't want to be emboiled by the Evil Liberal Atheist Gay Marxist Conspiracy, do you?

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But Atheist or not, you're still a Marxist,

Oh, so we're devolving into name calling and ridiculous hyperbole now?  Can I retort and call you a theocracy supporting fascist now?

Quoteand that is enough to make anyone question your remarks regarding Capitalism.

What you don't understand is that, with the most basic reading comprehension skills, such a confusion should never have taken place.  You honestly have never figured out what an argument from absurdity is, and therefore prance around like a fool and pretend that thinking I actually meant to assault capitalists using a moral code I don't believe in is just too stupid for me to not understate.

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Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 11, 2013, 09:18:46 AM
Reading comments without context is a dangerous philosophy.  It's actually what the "liberal media" regularly uses to twist stories in their preferences.  You don't want to be emboiled by the Evil Liberal Atheist Gay Marxist Conspiracy, do you?

Oh, so we're devolving into name calling and ridiculous hyperbole now?  Can I retort and call you a theocracy supporting fascist now?

What you don't understand is that, with the most basic reading comprehension skills, such a confusion should never have taken place.  You honestly have never figured out what an argument from absurdity is, and therefore prance around like a fool and pretend that thinking I actually meant to assault capitalists using a moral code I don't believe in is just too stupid for me to not understate.
If you don't realize you're advocating Marxism with your every post, then your intellect is by far less than I gave you credit for.
You may not want to believe you're a Marxist, but if it walks like a Duck....
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Quote from: Solar on May 11, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
If you don't realize you're advocating Marxism with your every post, then your intellect is by far less than I gave you credit for.
You may not want to believe you're a Marxist, but if it walks like a Duck....

If you don't understand the absurdity of your suggestion that an atheist would use the bible to justify condemning capitalists, I don't know what to say.

Solar

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 11, 2013, 11:37:08 AM
If you don't understand the absurdity of your suggestion that an atheist would use the bible to justify condemning capitalists, I don't know what to say.
Nice try at a lousy dodge, but it still doesn't disprove my allegation that you're a Marxist.
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Quote from: Solar on May 11, 2013, 12:03:59 PM
Nice try at a lousy dodge, but it still doesn't disprove my allegation that you're a Marxist.

Because your entire argument is predicated on the absurd notion that an atheist would use the bible as a moral guide.  And given that you still can't comprehend how humiliating your reading fail was, I don't think you're very qualified to make allegations about anything.  I mean, this is the same person who thought that gases weren't significantly affected by gravity!   :lol:

It's especially silly to call me a Marxist, given that my mother's side of the family was targeted and persecuted by Mao ZeDong, but you have such an inability to use logic that I'm just going to wait for you to provide some semblance of evidence.

Solar

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 11, 2013, 01:17:33 PM
Because your entire argument is predicated on the absurd notion that an atheist would use the bible as a moral guide.  And given that you still can't comprehend how humiliating your reading fail was, I don't think you're very qualified to make allegations about anything.  I mean, this is the same person who thought that gases weren't significantly affected by gravity!   :lol:

It's especially silly to call me a Marxist, given that my mother's side of the family was targeted and persecuted by Mao ZeDong, but you have such an inability to use logic that I'm just going to wait for you to provide some semblance of evidence.
Tell you what, read up on Fabian socialism, and tell me you don't agree with most of what they hope for.
For reasons of expediency, I'll just give you the Wiki page, it scratches the surface pretty well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society
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Quote from: Solar on May 11, 2013, 02:00:19 PM
Tell you what, read up on Fabian socialism, and tell me you don't agree with most of what they hope for.
For reasons of expediency, I'll just give you the Wiki page, it scratches the surface pretty well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

From a quick skimming of the wiki, they supported minimum wage laws, public education, a civilian army and other reforms that are accepted as axioms by even the center-right today (a rather common trend; the liberal policies of old are the conservative positions of today); however, they were also apparently eugenicists and imperialists.

Naturally, you seem to think that a moderate socialist party constitutes Marxism.

Solar

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 11, 2013, 07:05:37 PM
From a quick skimming of the wiki, they supported minimum wage laws, public education, a civilian army and other reforms that are accepted as axioms by even the center-right today (a rather common trend; the liberal policies of old are the conservative positions of today); however, they were also apparently eugenicists and imperialists.

Naturally, you seem to think that a moderate socialist party constitutes Marxism.
But what you didn't know, is the Fabians are Marxists, they even started the movement they day Marx died as a celebration of his ideals.
They differ in only one aspect, a belief that they can achieve his dream without revolution.

So I'm right, they are just like you, which proves my point, you're a Marxist at heart, you just never researched it.
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Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 04, 2013, 09:12:25 AMI direct this specifically at those who believe that non-believers will burn in hell, and that this is just.

This seems to imply that belief in God is an ethical and rational part of the selection process of who should get into Heaven

How is this fair, when you account for the fact that the religious affiliation of your household is the single greatest predictor of your religious faith?

This is your question? How is it fair?

Sense I'm not one of those you are specifically adressing, and I suspect there no serious members on this board that meet your criteria. I will rather attack the underlying assumption of your thread.

Your question is whether or not an belief in something is in itself an ethical and rational part of the process of being judged "pure/good" and if that is fair.

Well, to turn it around as you so much like to do comparative analysis of christianity with non believers. Is it fair for people in communist countries to be oppressed, tortured, murdered for having opposing beliefs? Is it fair that people in green movement attack people they view as non green with both physical attack and harassment? Is it fair that people of faith should be expelled from public places for the simple statement that they believe in God? Is it fair or just that in socialist countries people view successfull entrepenours with contempt and jealousy?

Of course not, and no conservative think it is fair to attack people for not believing in God.

So this thread is useless on this board no?

Oh and would not the world be such a more better place if we all just followed Romans 14? Atheists and Christian alike? Strong in faith and no faith leave each other alone to worship or not worship as each see fit? Isn't this the essence of the first amendment?

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QuoteHow is this fair, when you account for the fact that the religious affiliation of your household is the single greatest predictor of your religious faith?

Religion is man made, Salvation is a free gift from God.

"Salvation" is accepting Jesus as your Savior, having died in your place bearing the condemnation of death that sin begets. Then keep ALL the commandments of God; "go and sin no more."

If you want to see how highly God values "religious affiliation", then read the first three chapters of Revelations.



JustKari

SFF, the basis of your thread is flawed, you completely discount the hundreds of thousands of global missionaries who are doing exactly what you claim they are not in your OP.
http://cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/May/Growth-Explosion-Chinas-Christianity-Takes-Root-/


JustKari

I would appreciate proof of where I have posted ANYWHERE which gender the 144000 are.  If you are going to accuse me of something, please back it up.

I am also at a complete loss as to what this has to do with the topic of this thread.