execution in AZ: Was it "cruel and unusual" by pope's definition? hmmm

[Darth Fife]

The reason I ridicule, is because everything you reference are condensed liberal hubs, cities in decay, all run by Dims, all have "Appointed" police chiefs of like mind.
Geographically speaking, less than 1% of the US, while the rest of the country elects if Sheriffs.

You see, most of the nation looks at the city folk as sheep waiting to be led to slaughter.
Like you, we too have a view of America, and from where we sit, your world is pretty much a waste of time to us, so what happens in your little self aggrandized importance, is really of no matter to us.

What makes you all so vulnerable, is the density of population, like sheep in a pen awaiting slaughter, while the rest of society is free range and near impossible to corral.

I'm sure the Jews in rural Germany and Austria felt the same way back in the late 1920s and early 1930s...

Despite our best efforts and an unending supply of warnings, history always finds a way of repeating itself!



Darth

[Solar]

I'm sure the Jews in rural Germany and Austria felt the same way back in the late 1920s and early 1930s...

Despite our best efforts and an unending supply of warnings, history always finds a way of repeating itself!



Darth

Tiny geographically, by comparison.

[taxed]

I don't understand why questions of morality are automatically considered to be the province of organized religion. Especially when the "Big 3" organized religions share an extended history of extremely immoral dogma and policies!

I look at it another way. The Criminal Justice system at its very best is not perfect. At its worst, it is extremely susceptible to corruption - we are seeing that now with the Obama administration. Given this, rather stark and inescapable reality, it is only a matter of time (actually, I'm sure it has already happened more than once) before an innocent person is executed for a crime they didn't commit.

Some crimes we know for certain.  Those criminals should be susceptible to a slow, painful death.

They question each one of us has to ask ourselves is are we willing to murder (because that is what it is) an innocent human being for the "good of society"?

Incorrect.  You can't murder an innocent for the good of society.

And then you might want to ask yourself, what if that person executed for a crime they didn't commit is your wife, husband, father, mother, or sister or brother? Would you be willing to sacrifice their lives for the "good of society"?

Yes.

The only moral course for a society faced with a murderer is to set up conditions that ensure that that murderer will not kill again. Anything else is pure barbarism.

That's where the execution part comes in.

[Darth Fife]

Incorrect.  You can't murder an innocent for the good of society.

What do you call the willful taking of an innocent human life, then?

Yes.

This is an answer that is easy enough to give in an abstract discussion. In real life, however, I think you would answer differently.

That's where the execution part comes in.

So, what you are saying is, with over 3000 years of scientific, cultural, and philosophical advancement, we are really no more advanced, morally speaking, than the Bronze author's of the Bible who first wrote - an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth?

I think we can do better!

Darth

[Rasputttin]

I am a devout Catholic, have studied Catholic history and doctrine, etc. I have my issues w/ the Church but those concerns have nothing to do with doctrine or even history, which is not to say there aren't some big problems in the Church's history, only that those problems have been grossly misunderstood and facts distorted...

So anyhow, this informed and practicing Catholic has some questions RE the Church's position on the death penalty which basically is that if society has the means to keep murderers locked up for life (no chance of escape) we should not resort to the death penalty. Also, I have read books and articles on how people are put onDeath Row but are later found 2b innocent. So... I am trying to work through all this.. I've heard that rarely happens (innocent people on DR), and hasn't happened lately..

My own position is that, well, frankly, I couldn't care less about that killer in AZ and how he (according to libs, more than likely) "suffered" The victims watched the death as well and say that he did NOT suffer and I believe them (even though they could also not have cared less if he suffered somewhat)

I don't say murderers being executed should suffer horrendously, but the state has not legalized lethal injection solutions that are "cruel and unusual" and i just wish those opposing the death penalty would find a more efficacious and important cause...


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The fact is we once had a racist society. Because of that many murders were "solved" by pinning it on a black guy. So it is true some were executed who were innocent. Also,we didn't have the forensic skills back then that we have now. By today's standards those on death row belong there. They were PROVEN to be there. If there was a shadow of doubt they received a lesser sentence.

As far as Catholic doctrine is concerned. I can't help you. I have no idea. I don't much care for the pope or any pope. I am a Christian. I care only what the bible says. I am not anti catholic any more than I am anti methodist or baptist. I'm not real happy with "the church" these days. Not any church, except the church that is the body of Christ which includes all Christians no matter the denomination.