Evolution ?

[SalemCat]

Wow, zewazir, I think you just wrapped it up, put it in an envelope and put a stamp on it!!

That pretty well seals this subject!  Thanks for your remarkable post.   I am not a scientist by any means and could never had communicated as you did.

The only thing I would add is that if we KNOW there is intelligent design to our universe then it is logical to believe that the Master Designer had a purpose and has revealed Himself to His creation in clear and meaningful terms.  He did not just design this realm and depart.  It is our purpose in life to know our Creator.  That is His desire and purpose for making us.  There is no higher purpose in life.

DITTO

Many forums have Thumbs Up and Thumbs Down functions. Does this one ? I can't figure it out.

[supsalemgr]

DITTO

Many forums have Thumbs Up and Thumbs Down functions. Does this one ? I can't figure it out.

When you compose a post there are symbols at the top of the box you can attach. 

[walkstall]

DITTO

Many forums have Thumbs Up and Thumbs Down functions. Does this one ? I can't figure it out.

Are you old enough to be using the board.   

[SalemCat]

Are you old enough to be using the board.   

Curse, Foiled Again !

[carlb]

Seven Days - Most likely the writers of the Bible felt this explanation was appropriate for their audience.

The Big Bang supposedly occurred in an instant.

To me this part of the narrative is totally unimportant. How long it took the World to be created is moot.

Until proven otherwise. Which could happen.

The Bible nowhere says God created the universe in 7 days. People don't read very carefully.

The first two verses speak of different times BEFORE the creation of Man:

Verses 1:  In the BEGINING, God created the heavens and the earth

PERIOD.


Some time later (I believe MUCH later -- after Satan's rebellion)....

And the earth became tohu va bohu

That translates to chaotic and waste.

Satan's war with God nearly destroyed the earth. It became smoldering rubble.

THIS is where the "creation" story begins. God is simply "picking up the pieces and cleaning up a WAR zone, preparing the world for Man.

[kroz]

The Bible nowhere says God created the universe in 7 days. People don't read very carefully.

The first two verses speak of different times BEFORE the creation of Man:

Verses 1:  In the BEGINING, God created the heavens and the earth

PERIOD.


Some time later (I believe MUCH later -- after Satan's rebellion)....

And the earth became tohu va bohu

That translates to chaotic and waste.

Satan's war with God nearly destroyed the earth. It became smoldering rubble.

THIS is where the "creation" story begins. God is simply "picking up the pieces and cleaning up a WAR zone, preparing the world for Man.

That certainly is interesting speculation that is found no where in Scripture... 

[carlb]

What's not found in scripture is the 7 day creation of the universe. Elsewhere He speaks of the Creation as if a curtain was drawn and everything came into existence.

The Bible reveals an instantaneous creation. Angels inhabitated the earth long before Man was created.

The Angels on earth were turned by Lucifer. They went to war with heaven.  Jesus said He saw SATAN fall back to earth as "lightning" from heaven.

After the war, God began the 7 day CLEAN UP. THAT is what is covered after verse 2.

"And the earth BECAME Chaotic and Waste"

Now how could the earth "BECOME" if it hadn't been created yet.

No, the scriptures are clear. Just read what it actually SAYS, not what you've been taught by men.

[kroz]

What's not found in scripture is the 7 day creation of the universe. Elsewhere He speaks of the Creation as if a curtain was drawn and everything came into existence.

The Bible reveals an instantaneous creation. Angels inhabitated the earth long before Man was created.

The Angels on earth were turned by Lucifer. They went to war with heaven.  Jesus said He saw SATAN fall back to earth as "lightning" from heaven.

After the war, God began the 7 day CLEAN UP. THAT is what is covered after verse 2.

"And the earth BECAME Chaotic and Waste"

Now how could the earth "BECOME" if it hadn't been created yet.

No, the scriptures are clear. Just read what it actually SAYS, not what you've been taught by men.

The Scripture IS clear about the revolt of Satan in heaven.  That is not in question.

But it does not tell us when that happened.  You have conveniently placed it where you want it to be....somewhere after the first verse of two of Genesis 1.

That is your prerogative to speculate.  But it does not make it true. 

[carlb]

Then why are Eskimos short & squat & many Africans tall & skinny?

I'll take this one too.

Evolution is a FALSE theology. The Scriptures teach KIND reproduces after KIND .

They had their own vocabulary. Today we might say "species."

The concept is simple. Monkeys don't turn into humans -- ever.

Dinosaurs never became birds (as some teach).

That doesn't mean Man can't adapt physically to his environment. All living creatures do that. What NEVER happens is KIND "evolving" into another KIND.

Trying to merge inspired Scripture with evolutionary THEORY only leads you to false conclusions.

[Solar]

What's not found in scripture is the 7 day creation of the universe. Elsewhere He speaks of the Creation as if a curtain was drawn and everything came into existence.

The Bible reveals an instantaneous creation. Angels inhabitated the earth long before Man was created.

The Angels on earth were turned by Lucifer. They went to war with heaven.  Jesus said He saw SATAN fall back to earth as "lightning" from heaven.

After the war, God began the 7 day CLEAN UP. THAT is what is covered after verse 2.

"And the earth BECAME Chaotic and Waste"

Now how could the earth "BECOME" if it hadn't been created yet.

No, the scriptures are clear. Just read what it actually SAYS, not what you've been taught by men.

I think his reference is to the Sabath, the seventh day God rested, hence God created Heaven and Earth in 7 days.

On the seventh day God had finished his work of creation. Genesis 2:2

[carlb]

The Scripture IS clear about the revolt of Satan in heaven.  That is not in question.

But it does not tell us when that happened.  You have conveniently placed it where you want it to be....somewhere after the first verse of two of Genesis 1.

That is your prerogative to speculate.  But it does not make it true.

Well, it certainly happened AFTER the creation of the earth, since they were given the earth. That is clearly verse1. (In the BEGINING, God created the heavens and the earth.).

Verses 2 clearly says SOMETHING HAPPENED to the earth..

It already exists!

We KNOW at this point (after a major event) the earth (which already exists), is in darkness and COVERED IN WATER.

Verse 3: "Let there be light"

Notice He never said He created the sun and stars (at this time). He simply said, LET THERE BE LIGHT. He cleared the clouds so the sun shone through.

Every verse is llke that.

Just read the words with an open mind. It will fall into place.

[kroz]

Well, it certainly happened AFTER the creation of the earth, since they were given the earth. That is clearly verse1. (In the BEGINING, God created the heavens and the earth.).

Verses 2 clearly says SOMETHING HAPPENED to the earth..

It already exists!

We KNOW at this point (after a major event) the earth (which already exists), is in darkness and COVERED IN WATER.

Verse 3: "Let there be light"

Notice He never said He created the sun and stars (at this time). He simply said, LET THERE BE LIGHT. He cleared the clouds so the sun shone through.

Every verse is llke that.

Just read the words with an open mind. It will fall into place.

OR, Genesis 1:1 could be an introductory summary statement and the following verses expand on the details of how that happened.

I have long known of the "gap" theory in Genesis 1, but I still believe it falls into interesting speculation.  It could be true but no one really knows for sure. 

[carlb]

I think his reference is to the Sabath, the seventh day God rested, hence God created Heaven and Earth in 7 days.

On the seventh day God had finished his work of creation. Genesis 2:2

I'm a Sabbath keeping CHRISTIAN, and yes, He rested after 6 LITERAL days to set the example for Man whom He did create the 6th day. But He did not create the world, or the universe at this time. Read Gen 1 carefully. Everything is already in existence AFTER verse one, but His Creation was damaged by verse 2. The time BETWEEN  verse 1 and 2 COULD be MILLIONS or billions of years. That's not revealed. What IS revealed is that the earth exists between those 2 verses.

[Solar]

I'm a Sabbath keeping CHRISTIAN, and yes, He rested after 7 LITERAL days to set the example for Man whom He did create the 6th day. But He did not create the world, or the universe at this time. Read Gen 1 carefully. Everything is already in existence AFTER verse one, but His Creation was damaged by verse 2. The time BETWEEN  verse 1 and 2 COULD be MILLIONS or billions of years. That's not revealed. What IS revealed is that the earth exists between those 2 verses.

I know, it's or this reason many argue that the Earth is only 6000 years old.
My point is that's where many get the idea earth was created in 7 days, or rather on the seventh, and I think that was Salem's point.
Right or wrong, no one knows the correct answer. Though one day we all will.

[kalash]

The only thing that really angers me, is no dissent is allowed in our schools. Darwinism is inadequate. Can't we even discuss alternatives ?

The only alternative is half of the first page from the Bible. How long of the school time it takes to teach? 5 minutes? O.K. let it be, children, God create earth in 7 days, now, back to real science.