Adrian Pierce Rogers served three terms as president of the Southern Baptist Convention (1979–1980 and 1986–1988). He was also a Southern Baptist pastor.
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for. That my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it"
Dr Adrian Rodgers
1931
Quote from: walkstall on September 15, 2015, 02:03:57 PM
Adrian Pierce Rogers served three terms as president of the Southern Baptist Convention (1979–1980 and 1986–1988). He was also a Southern Baptist pastor.
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for. That my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it"
Dr Adrian Rodgers
1931
Question(s) for you my friend.
So, really the problem with welfare, etc is that person receiving the benefits is receiving them for anything?
I was just thinking. What if the person receiving the benefits went out and did volunteer work like at a church, charitable organizations, etc? Would this be a lot better in your eyes or would you still not like it?
Another question or more of an idea. Why not revamp the program in which the person has to volunteer somewhere and if they can't find anywhere to volunteer the welfare office or whomever picks the place? If one is on welfare or food stamps, make voluntary compulsory for a minimal number of hours?
What do you think? Problem Solved?
Quote from: cubedemon on September 15, 2015, 04:48:29 PM
Question(s) for you my friend.
So, really the problem with welfare, etc is that person receiving the benefits is receiving them for anything?
I was just thinking. What if the person receiving the benefits went out and did volunteer work like at a church, charitable organizations, etc? Would this be a lot better in your eyes or would you still not like it?
Another question or more of an idea. Why not revamp the program in which the person has to volunteer somewhere and if they can't find anywhere to volunteer the welfare office or whomever picks the place? If one is on welfare or food stamps, make voluntary compulsory for a minimal number of hours?
What do you think? Problem Solved?
Assistance was never meant for anything more than to "Assist" the individual, meaning help them get through a bad patch of employment.
Six months at the maximum, bet never meant as total income as it has become.
Most people don't have an issue with a mother getting a little help, they do have a problem with generational welfare, free housing, cell phones, paid utilities.
Slaves to the Federal Teat, the taxpayer.
Quote from: cubedemon on September 15, 2015, 04:48:29 PM
Question(s) for you my friend.
So, really the problem with welfare, etc is that person receiving the benefits is receiving them for anything?
I was just thinking. What if the person receiving the benefits went out and did volunteer work like at a church, charitable organizations, etc? Would this be a lot better in your eyes or would you still not like it?
Another question or more of an idea. Why not revamp the program in which the person has to volunteer somewhere and if they can't find anywhere to volunteer the welfare office or whomever picks the place? If one is on welfare or food stamps, make voluntary compulsory for a minimal number of hours?
What do you think? Problem Solved?
I DON'T have a problem helping people that truly need a helping hand. That was been done long before welfare and food stamps. I also don't have a problem keep people that can not truly work.
I am not a well educated person. But I worked and paid for everything in my life. In over 65 years of work I was not out of a job longer then a week, and that was only one time. I decided I need some time off. :lol:
I can tell you right now that if your able to work and are not working then it your own damn fault. Move if you have to, there work out there.
As my good wife said when I ask her what was the first thing she would like. She said a sewing machine. I said what! no washer and dryer. She said no, with a sewing machine I can fix and make things. I can wash thing by hand and hang them out to dry. The next day I paid cash for a sewing machine. Also I paid cash for a washer and dryer. But it took a week before we could get the ones she liked. You learn to live with in your means and build as your go.
Not like the kids now, I must have it all right now!!!
Quote from: cubedemon on September 15, 2015, 04:48:29 PM
Question(s) for you my friend.
So, really the problem with welfare, etc is that person receiving the benefits is receiving them for anything?
I was just thinking. What if the person receiving the benefits went out and did volunteer work like at a church, charitable organizations, etc? Would this be a lot better in your eyes or would you still not like it?
Another question or more of an idea. Why not revamp the program in which the person has to volunteer somewhere and if they can't find anywhere to volunteer the welfare office or whomever picks the place? If one is on welfare or food stamps, make voluntary compulsory for a minimal number of hours?
What do you think? Problem Solved?
As others have stated, I have no problem helping someone temporarily until they get something that gets them off welfare. That being said, I do believe if a person is able bodied they owe the payor 40 hours a week. That would provide a benefit for both the provider and receiver. Also, it would serve as motivation for the receiver to look for something that would remove them from the welfare rolls.
The younger generation just doesn't "get it". :angry:
Life is suppose to be tough!! That is what builds character and a strong work ethic.
Todays youth expect to walk through a door into prosperity... no sweat, no pain!
I believe in helping people for a short period but then they must stretch their wings and fly!
We have made things so easy that they are not motivated.
Quote from: kroz on September 16, 2015, 05:59:00 AM
The younger generation just doesn't "get it". :angry:
Life is suppose to be tough!! That is what builds character and a strong work ethic.
Todays youth expect to walk through a door into prosperity... no sweat, no pain!
I believe in helping people for a short period but then they must stretch their wings and fly!
We have made things so easy that they are not motivated.
This is a response not just to you Kroz but to everyone of the older generation. The thing is that everyone here is operating under certain assumptions which may have some truth to them but they're not totally true. Let's look at these assumptions.
a. Hard Work is Necessary and Sufficient to Build Character - This may be true in some cases but I have to question, is one's character derived from Hard Work or is Character built in spite of hard work and in fact the template for good character may have already existed. If Hard Work is necessary then why do we have people who rise to the top yet they're still corrupt? How many business and political scandals do we keep hearing about? By your own logic those who are at the top would be angels and saints. Yet, this is not so. Why is this? How does hard work always build character? Why can't the unfairness of life corrupt a man as well?
b. Hard Work treated as an intrinsic value instead of considering it as an extrinsic value. Hard Work seems to be valued for its own sake without any rhyme or reason to it by the older generation. I do not agree with this mindset. To me, hard work has to serve an extrinsic purpose. For example, why did farmers in the days of yore work on farms and why did shepherds do what they did? For them, it was necessary for them to eat. Hard Work served a purpose and a place. Hard Work produced something of extrinsic value. There is another thing that hard work accomplishes. To achieve something one wants to achieve. For example, we have the fictional classic star trek with captain kirk. He and his crew wanted to see what was out there. So, they worked hard and working hard had a purpose. Let's say one had a big field to plow. If one can obtain a tractor or another device that could cut one's work down in half and give more time for contemplation and reflection why wouldn't one do so? Why wouldn't we work hard in an intelligent, rational and smart way to achieve a purpose that is extrinsic and something that brings personal fulfillment? Why work for work's sake?
c. Hasty Generalization of Today's Youth - Today's youth come in many different shapes and different sizes. Not all of them had and has an easy life. Some come from poorer backgrounds in which some did have to take on adult responsibilities at an early age.
d. Narcissistic Youth (may be based in truth but not totally) - Why are today's youth entitled and narcissistic? What the older generation fails to do is to capture the full story. For a certain subgroup (middle class, upper class, some poor). In today's society the narrative is to push the youth down the college pipeline. They were told that if they didn't work hard, graduate high school and go to college they would have no future and they would be working at McDonalds.
Here are a number of issues I have with the older generation's argument about Narcissistic youth.
i. It is the older generation who set the golden path and set the path at the time. The path the young ones went on was the only path they knew and understood. What does this mean? For the youth or at least a number of them, hard work means exactly what was defined to them.
ii. In addition, the same thing applies to the concept of earning. From their point of view, a number of college graduates feel and believe, because of what they were conditioned to believe, that they did earn a job in their respective fields and the middle class lifestyle that comes with it by the merit of working hard, graduating high school, college and getting that degree.
iii. As a corollary to claim that kids today have a sense of entitlement and are narcissistic one has to ask what an entitlement mentality is. The definition is that one believes that one is owed things that are unearned and undeserved privileges and rights. For at least college grads, would you say that a sense of entitlement was their issue. No, I do not believe so because they don't feel that they are owed things that are unearned and undeserved but feel that they were cheated from what they did earn and deserve.
iv. https://whyifailedinamerica1.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/working-at-mcdonalds-hallmark-of-failure-and-shame/ Here is what I wrote here as well and this explains Kim in my opinion . The reason she and others feel embarrassed at working at McDonalds or the cafeteria is that they were conditioned to feel shame. For them and even myself (I'm sorry to say) it is a hallmark of shame and failure. Because of my aspergers which gives me a more black and white, rigid mindset it is even more difficult for me to change this within myself. For those who are able to do so, then do so.
e. Please, I implore you guys to read what I say and to hearken onto my words with a rational and open mind and please don't attack my character nor my attitude and please read the parable of the cave by Plato. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
Imagine being constrained to a dark cave for all of one's life to a wall and the only thing one understands is shadows.
Quote from: cubedemon on September 16, 2015, 08:11:32 AM
This is a response not just to you Kroz but to everyone of the older generation. The thing is that everyone here is operating under certain assumptions which may have some truth to them but they're not totally true. Let's look at these assumptions.
a. Hard Work is Necessary and Sufficient to Build Character - This may be true in some cases but I have to question, is one's character derived from Hard Work or is Character built in spite of hard work and in fact the template for good character may have already existed. If Hard Work is necessary then why do we have people who rise to the top yet they're still corrupt? How many business and political scandals do we keep hearing about? By your own logic those who are at the top would be angels and saints. Yet, this is not so. Why is this? How does hard work always build character? Why can't the unfairness of life corrupt a man as well?
Define hard work?
What most here define as hard work, is not having idle time for meaningles nonsense, or the time to concern ones self with the private matters of their neighbor unless it's infringing on their Liberties.
Quoteb. Hard Work treated as an intrinsic value instead of considering it as an extrinsic value. Hard Work seems to be valued for its own sake without any rhyme or reason to it by the older generation. I do not agree with this mindset. To me, hard work has to serve an extrinsic purpose. For example, why did farmers in the days of yore work on farms and why did shepherds do what they did? For them, it was necessary for them to eat. Hard Work served a purpose and a place. Hard Work produced something of extrinsic value. There is another thing that hard work accomplishes. To achieve something one wants to achieve. For example, we have the fictional classic star trek with captain kirk. He and his crew wanted to see what was out there. So, they worked hard and working hard had a purpose. Let's say one had a big field to plow. If one can obtain a tractor or another device that could cut one's work down in half and give more time for contemplation and reflection why wouldn't one do so? Why wouldn't we work hard in an intelligent, rational and smart way to achieve a purpose that is extrinsic and something that brings personal fulfillment? Why work for work's sake?
Why do the retired take up hobbies that others deem as work?
Because idle time is self defeating. Man was designed to meet and beat goals, remove all obstacles from mans path, and what is his purpose in life?
Hard work in and by itself is fulfillment.
Quotec. Hasty Generalization of Today's Youth - Today's youth come in many different shapes and different sizes. Not all of them had and has an easy life. Some come from poorer backgrounds in which some did have to take on adult responsibilities at an early age.
You just described life memoriam.
Quoted. Narcissistic Youth (may be based in truth but not totally) - Why are today's youth entitled and narcissistic? What the older generation fails to do is to capture the full story. For a certain subgroup (middle class, upper class, some poor). In today's society the narrative is to push the youth down the college pipeline. They were told that if they didn't work hard, graduate high school and go to college they would have no future and they would be working at McDonalds.
Here are a number of issues I have with the older generation's argument about Narcissistic youth.
i. It is the older generation who set the golden path and set the path at the time. The path the young ones went on was the only path they knew and understood. What does this mean? For the youth or at least a number of them, hard work means exactly what was defined to them.
ii. In addition, the same thing applies to the concept of earning. From their point of view, a number of college graduates feel and believe, because of what they were conditioned to believe, that they did earn a job in their respective fields and the middle class lifestyle that comes with it by the merit of working hard, graduating high school, college and getting that degree.
iii. As a corollary to claim that kids today have a sense of entitlement and are narcissistic one has to ask what an entitlement mentality is. The definition is that one believes that one is owed things that are unearned and undeserved privileges and rights. For at least college grads, would you say that a sense of entitlement was their issue. No, I do not believe so because they don't feel that they are owed things that are unearned and undeserved but feel that they were cheated from what they did earn and deserve.
No, they were lied to, pure and simple.
Quoteiv. https://whyifailedinamerica1.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/working-at-mcdonalds-hallmark-of-failure-and-shame/ Here is what I wrote here as well and this explains Kim in my opinion . The reason she and others feel embarrassed at working at McDonalds or the cafeteria is that they were conditioned to feel shame. For them and even myself (I'm sorry to say) it is a hallmark of shame and failure. Because of my aspergers which gives me a more black and white, rigid mindset it is even more difficult for me to change this within myself. For those who are able to do so, then do so.
e. Please, I implore you guys to read what I say and to hearken onto my words with a rational and open mind and please don't attack my character nor my attitude and please read the parable of the cave by Plato. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
Imagine being constrained to a dark cave for all of one's life to a wall and the only thing one understands is shadows.
You're right, the left shamed the kids into believing that flipping burgers is a meaningless dead end job.
Problem is, they again were lied to, all kids need an entry level job, one that creates work ethic and skills.
There is nothing wrong with flipping burgers or mopping floors, especially when it opens doors for them.
I remember an Russian immigrant that was hired by a local McDonalds as a janitor in the early 70s, he didn't speak a lick of English, I know, I tried to talk to him.
A year later he came up and talked to me and explained how he appreciated my attempt to reach out to him because most had ignored him.
He went on to explain his goal of one day owning that particular restaurant. (to think, I thought he was full of BS)
He went on to McDonald college where he learned every aspect of the business.
The last time I saw him, he not only owned that store, he went on to buy and build 7 altogether, and that was 1980.
That's my definition of hard work with a goal.
Excellent response, solar.
I didn't have time to address all of that. I'm glad you did.
Quote from: kroz on September 16, 2015, 09:50:03 AM
Excellent response, solar.
I didn't have time to address all of that. I'm glad you did.
Thanks, but I doubt he'll get it. :laugh:
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 10:01:22 AM
Thanks, but I doubt he'll get it. :laugh:
All he posted in his long epistle was nothing more than a bunch of excuses for not working hard. As you said, he probably won't get it.
Quote from: supsalemgr on September 16, 2015, 10:44:34 AM
All he posted in his long epistle was nothing more than a bunch of excuses for not working hard. As you said, he probably won't get it.
Sad, isn't it? Which is why I asked he define hard work.
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 09:08:05 AM
Define hard work?
What most here define as hard work, is not having idle time for meaningles nonsense, or the time to concern ones self with the private matters of their neighbor unless it's infringing on their Liberties.
Well, like it has been said. It is relative. Therein lies the problem. I can think I'm working hard whereas you may not think so and vice versa. What is meaningless to you may be meaningful to me. Your red is my green and your green is my red.
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 09:08:05 AMWhy do the retired take up hobbies that others deem as work?
Because idle time is self defeating. Man was designed to meet and beat goals, remove all obstacles from mans path, and what is his purpose in life?
Hard work in and by itself is fulfillment.
You just described life memoriam.
I see what you are saying and can see it as having intrinsic value. I didn't understand that before but now I do. What I was talking about is work that comes like this. One digs a hole and once he is done digging the hole he fills it up again. He does that for an amount of time. The work has no purpose unless the person enjoys digging holes or is getting exercise.
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 09:08:05 AMNo, they were lied to, pure and simple
Agreed! Here is what I do not grasp. If they were lied to then why punish them? Why is it their fault if they could not make a life for themselves because they followed information that was faulty and they trusted those who were in charge of them and deferred to their authority like they were supposed to do?
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 09:08:05 AMYou're right, the left shamed the kids into believing that flipping burgers is a meaningless dead end job.
Can you explain further please if you do not mind? Thank You!
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 09:08:05 AMProblem is, they again were lied to, all kids need an entry level job, one that creates work ethic and skills.
Here are some things again that I don't grasp.
a. How does an entry level job create a work ethic when we have those who rise to the top and still lack character and a work ethic. I believe Ken Lay is a good example. He started out by mowing lawns and delivering newspapers. During the Enron Scandal where was his work ethic and character? If work truthfully created a work ethic then wouldn't those at the top who work hard to achieve their positions have moral and virtuous character? What about Bill Clinton? Didn't he work hard to get to where he was at and start off somewhere? He still received oral sex though from Monica Lawinsky. So, not only did he cheat on his wife Hillary but did he not disrespect the oval office? Didn't he lie under oath as well? How did he develop a good work ethic and good character throughout his career?
So, how does hard work always lead to good character? Can you please explain further?
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 09:08:05 AMThere is nothing wrong with flipping burgers or mopping floors, especially when it opens doors for them.
I remember an Russian immigrant that was hired by a local McDonalds as a janitor in the early 70s, he didn't speak a lick of English, I know, I tried to talk to him.
A year later he came up and talked to me and explained how he appreciated my attempt to reach out to him because most had ignored him.
He went on to explain his goal of one day owning that particular restaurant. (to think, I thought he was full of BS)
He went on to McDonald college where he learned every aspect of the business.
The last time I saw him, he not only owned that store, he went on to buy and build 7 altogether, and that was 1980.
Excellent story but it doesn't make any sense because it has missing specifics. If this man came over in today's world without speaking a lick of English would McDonalds have hired him today? Would he not need excellent communication skills? If he didn't speak a lick of English then how was he able to work? What was his initial job exactly? Was he a janitor? How was he able to do what his boss asked? If he took people's orders then how was he able to understand what the customer was ordering? Did he have someone to translate for him initially? How did he learn to speak English? Did he receive free tutoring? Did he learn through osmosis? While he was working at McDonalds, did he have a part time shift or a full time shift? How did he support himself with the salary he was making plus being able to afford things like medical care and insurance? Did he have others in his life that assisted him and explain things to him or did he do this all on his own?
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 09:08:05 AM
That's my definition of hard work with a goal.
I do understand the point you were trying to make with the story. The issue is it lacks certain specifics details like I asked about above. It is like listening to a record or CD that skips multiple times in a row. If I do come across as facetious or disrespectful I am not meaning to. I really am lacking pertinent specifics to make your story coherent in my mind.
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 10:01:22 AM
Thanks, but I doubt he'll get it. :laugh:
There are some things I do get but there are things I really do not get. That's why I'm here asking logical questions and presenting my points as to why certain things makes no sense to me. I'm trying to get it. It's that I'm lacking certain specifics and how certain specifics connect together. Problem is, we're both speaking a different version of English which might as well be two different languages.
Quote from: cubedemon on September 16, 2015, 11:53:19 AM
There are some things I do get but there are things I really do not get. That's why I'm here asking logical questions and presenting my points as to why certain things makes no sense to me. I'm trying to get it. It's that I'm lacking certain specifics and how certain specifics connect together. Problem is, we're both speaking a different version of English which might as well be two different languages.
Solar speaking Conservative. cubedemon speaking liberal.
Quote from: supsalemgr on September 16, 2015, 10:44:34 AM
All he posted in his long epistle was nothing more than a bunch of excuses for not working hard. As you said, he probably won't get it.
This is another standard about American society I literally do not grasp nor understand. Why is one not allowed to make excuses even if the excuses were based in sound logical reasoning?
Let's say I'm a janitor working somewhere. I'm told to clean a spill. I go to get my equipment to clean including wet signs. For whatever reason, the room the equipment is in is locked. Only the boss has the key. Yet, my boss is in a meeting and just started or he is nowhere to be found and I try looking and can't find him. There are three options that I see to do.
a. if the boss is in a meeting I could disturb the meeting. Let's say I give the excuse that I couldn't clean cause the door was locked and he still was upset and I was making excuses for disturbing the meeting. Then what?
b. I could just leave the spill and do something else while I wait for the boss. I put stuff around the spill to make sure no one slips. Let's say he still gets upset and asks why I didn't clean up the spill? I tell him he was in a meeting. He says then you should've disturbed me. There are no excuses for this?
c. I could go out and buy equipment with my own money and return the stuff later. I leave and boss accuses me of floundering about. I tell him what I did and he said I should've came and got him. I tell him he was in a meeting and says you should've disturbed me. There are no excuses for this?
So, how does one handle stuff like this and why are excuses wrong to give no matter the situation? Again, I don't get it.
b.
Quote from: walkstall on September 16, 2015, 12:03:04 PM
Solar speaking Conservative. cubedemon speaking liberal.
I Disagree! He is speaking Neurotypical English. I am speaking Asperger English.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080606024118/http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla/language.htm
Quote from: cubedemon on September 16, 2015, 11:48:51 AM
Well, like it has been said. It is relative. Therein lies the problem. I can think I'm working hard whereas you may not think so and vice versa. What is meaningless to you may be meaningful to me. Your red is my green and your green is my red.
If a blind man has to color match wires, a virtual impossible task, is extremely hard work.
One needs to stay with their skill set, and enjoy hard work.
QuoteI see what you are saying and can see it as having intrinsic value. I didn't understand that before but now I do. What I was talking about is work that comes like this. One digs a hole and once he is done digging the hole he fills it up again. He does that for an amount of time. The work has no purpose unless the person enjoys digging holes or is getting exercise.
If work serves no purpose? It's probably a govt job, sriously. :laugh:
QuoteAgreed! Here is what I do not grasp. If they were lied to then why punish them? Why is it their fault if they could not make a life for themselves because they followed information that was faulty and they trusted those who were in charge of them and deferred to their authority like they were supposed to do?
No one is punishing them, we're using basic tough love. They got sold a Bill of goods, it's up to them to quit whining and make something of themselves.
Simply going to school and expecting the world to open it's arms to you is living an illusion.
QuoteCan you explain further please if you do not mind? Thank You!
PC rules. They shamed kids into believing the Capitalist system is evil, that it wants slaves/drones., but follow their plan of leftist indoctrination centers (Universities) you won't have to be a drone.
Yeah, they were lied to, we're a Capitalist competitive nation, where hard work is the way of the land in achieving the American dream.
Quotea. How does an entry level job create a work ethic when we have those who rise to the top and still lack character and a work ethic. I believe Ken Lay is a good example. He started out by mowing lawns and delivering newspapers. During the Enron Scandal where was his work ethic and character? If work truthfully created a work ethic then wouldn't those at the top who work hard to achieve their positions have moral and virtuous character? What about Bill Clinton? Didn't he work hard to get to where he was at and start off somewhere? He still received oral sex though from Monica Lawinsky. So, not only did he cheat on his wife Hillary but did he not disrespect the oval office? Didn't he lie under oath as well? How did he develop a good work ethic and good character throughout his career?
Starting at the bottom is entry level work, and the first thing one realizes is the harder they work, the more valuable they become to the employer, the faster they advance.
Meaning, show up on time, be courteous, go above and beyond what's expected of you.
You advance, as you learn what employers want, so you take this new found ethic to a better employer, it's exactly what we're looking for.
QuoteSo, how does hard work always lead to good character? Can you please explain further?
It doesn't, character is an individual trait, and if you don't have good character, you will not have good work ethics either.
QuoteExcellent story but it doesn't make any sense because it has missing specifics. If this man came over in today's world without speaking a lick of English would McDonalds have hired him today? Would he not need excellent communication skills? If he didn't speak a lick of English then how was he able to work? What was his initial job exactly? Was he a janitor? How was he able to do what his boss asked? If he took people's orders then how was he able to understand what the customer was ordering? Did he have someone to translate for him initially? How did he learn to speak English? Did he receive free tutoring? Did he learn through osmosis? While he was working at McDonalds, did he have a part time shift or a full time shift? How did he support himself with the salary he was making plus being able to afford things like medical care and insurance? Did he have others in his life that assisted him and explain things to him or did he do this all on his own?
How hard is it to hand a mop to someone and point to the floor?
The owner took a chance, luckily for the owner, he stumbled across a man with the ethic of hard work pays off, the guy understood that hard work was the path to achieving the American dream.
The guy learned the language of the land well enough to get by, though I admit, he was still hard to understand, but despite the obstacles, he persevered.
QuoteI do understand the point you were trying to make with the story. The issue is it lacks certain specifics details like I asked about above. It is like listening to a record or CD that skips multiple times in a row. If I do come across as facetious or disrespectful I am not meaning to. I really am lacking pertinent specifics to make your story coherent in my mind.
Let your experience fill in the gaps. You don't need all the irrelevant details, when the basics tell the entire story, a story of a man busting his ass to make a life for himself in the face of unrelenting obstacles..
Here's what the leftists want. Unions, they want everyone employed, paid the same regardless of the job, so there is no reason leave the job you're in.
Problem is, this removes the human equation for personal achievement, promotions, raises, so why work hard, why create a quality product?
The leftist way caries an end goal of communism, where the State provides you a job based on your skills as they deem necessary.
You may prove to be an excellent engineer, but if the State is flushed with engineers, they use your next skill-set, and if you haven't one, you may wind up being a house painter in a dead end job you cannot leave because they've removed the free enterprise system.
Since we're not a socialist nation, it's incumbent upon you to make your way in life, where the sky is the limit.
Personally, I prefer the freedom to fail or succeed.
Quote from: cubedemon on September 16, 2015, 11:53:19 AM
There are some things I do get but there are things I really do not get. That's why I'm here asking logical questions and presenting my points as to why certain things makes no sense to me. I'm trying to get it. It's that I'm lacking certain specifics and how certain specifics connect together. Problem is, we're both speaking a different version of English which might as well be two different languages.
I understand. I think the problem is, you way over think everything, don't look at it through a microscope.
When approaching an issue, go with your first gut instinct. Like the guy in my story, he didn't need to be shown how to use a mop, most likely because he'd used one before, so he did the best job he could, and with his work ethic, he probably went above and beyond what was asked of him.
Could it be, that jsut maybe you need to start at the bottom in an entry level job and see how the real world works?
You can read every book their is on how to mop a fllor, but until you actually do it, you'll never get it.
Take a shot, apply for an entry level position as a janitor, or golpher at a car lot, get your foot in the door, you never know where it might lead.
Let me tell you how I spent my all of my 20's seeking employment.
I'd have some menial job working construction or something, then one day on the way to work, I'd ask God for direction, and invariable he'd say turn right, pull in there and talk to that guy. I'm not making this up, it's the Gods truth.
I'd strike up a conversation with the guy and after awhile the guy would give me a lead on a job.
I'd go in, interview and was almost always hired on the spot, granted, these weren't really skilled positions, but they always lead to a better position, or a new lead.
The point is, you just have to get up the nerve to ask for a job, anything if you really want to get a start.
By the way, every single job I had, was in preparation for later in life of my career.
Thank you God, whom allowed me to retire in my 40s.
Listen to your gut, it's God talking....
Quote from: cubedemon on September 16, 2015, 12:12:37 PM
I Disagree! He is speaking Neurotypical English. I am speaking Asperger English.
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Quote from: cubedemon on September 16, 2015, 12:08:04 PM
This is another standard about American society I literally do not grasp nor understand. Why is one not allowed to make excuses even if the excuses were based in sound logical reasoning?
Let's say I'm a janitor working somewhere. I'm told to clean a spill. I go to get my equipment to clean including wet signs. For whatever reason, the room the equipment is in is locked. Only the boss has the key. Yet, my boss is in a meeting and just started or he is nowhere to be found and I try looking and can't find him. There are three options that I see to do.
a. if the boss is in a meeting I could disturb the meeting. Let's say I give the excuse that I couldn't clean cause the door was locked and he still was upset and I was making excuses for disturbing the meeting. Then what?
b. I could just leave the spill and do something else while I wait for the boss. I put stuff around the spill to make sure no one slips. Let's say he still gets upset and asks why I didn't clean up the spill? I tell him he was in a meeting. He says then you should've disturbed me. There are no excuses for this?
c. I could go out and buy equipment with my own money and return the stuff later. I leave and boss accuses me of floundering about. I tell him what I did and he said I should've came and got him. I tell him he was in a meeting and says you should've disturbed me. There are no excuses for this?
So, how does one handle stuff like this and why are excuses wrong to give no matter the situation? Again, I don't get it.
b.
You are now moving into troll territory. The above is a distraction. However, the obvious answer is the spill should be cleaned ASAP. Therefore, it would be OK to interrupt the dumb ass boss who has the only key.
Quote from: supsalemgr on September 16, 2015, 02:58:32 PM
You are now moving into troll territory. The above is a distraction. However, the obvious answer is the spill should be cleaned ASAP. Therefore, it would be OK to interrupt the dumb ass boss who has the only key.
If I offended you or anyone else then what I ask is for you and others here to please forgive me for my trespass.
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If it was a joke then you're right and it went way above my head.
Quote from: cubedemon on September 16, 2015, 12:08:04 PM
This is another standard about American society I literally do not grasp nor understand. Why is one not allowed to make excuses even if the excuses were based in sound logical reasoning?
Let's say I'm a janitor working somewhere. I'm told to clean a spill. I go to get my equipment to clean including wet signs. For whatever reason, the room the equipment is in is locked. Only the boss has the key. Yet, my boss is in a meeting and just started or he is nowhere to be found and I try looking and can't find him. There are three options that I see to do.
a. if the boss is in a meeting I could disturb the meeting. Let's say I give the excuse that I couldn't clean cause the door was locked and he still was upset and I was making excuses for disturbing the meeting. Then what?
b. I could just leave the spill and do something else while I wait for the boss. I put stuff around the spill to make sure no one slips. Let's say he still gets upset and asks why I didn't clean up the spill? I tell him he was in a meeting. He says then you should've disturbed me. There are no excuses for this?
c. I could go out and buy equipment with my own money and return the stuff later. I leave and boss accuses me of floundering about. I tell him what I did and he said I should've came and got him. I tell him he was in a meeting and says you should've disturbed me. There are no excuses for this?
So, how does one handle stuff like this and why are excuses wrong to give no matter the situation? Again, I don't get it.
b.
Go buy a roll of paper towels and tell him no charge. Your initiative will go a long way towards a raise.
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 04:55:17 PM
Go buy a roll of paper towels and tell him no charge. Your initiative will go a long way towards a raise.
Solar, the point I was making is that I literally don't grasp certain aspects of American society. Why is one not allowed to make excuses no matter the circumstances and the case even if the excuse is based upon sound and logical reasoning? How do I avoid committing wrongdoing?
Another thing, you're telling me to take the initiative and tell him no charge. Supsalemgr is telling me to interrupt the meeting. The other move is to block it off the spill with certain other objects. Which is the correct move to make here?
You're telling me to use my gut instinct. Well, my gut instinct would tell me that there are three possibilities each with the possibility of wrongdoing. So, in essence its a catch-22 and its damned if I do and damned if I do not.
Finally, I did apologize for entering troll territory as Supsalemgr said. How am I entering troll territory though? What exactly am I doing wrong? What can I do to avoid it in the future?
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 01:06:49 PM
Let your experience fill in the gaps. You don't need all the irrelevant details, when the basics tell the entire story, a story of a man busting his ass to make a life for himself in the face of unrelenting obstacles..
How? How do I do this especially if my brain is wired differently than the average joe? Won't my experiences or the interpretation of my experiences be different and have the possibility of being misconstrued. For me, without you telling me that about that it isn't hard to point to the mop and the place to clean the story you gave didn't make any sense to me. With this added detail, I can now conceive how it was logically possible for him be able to work at McDonalds and how communication can effectively take place back and forth. I can now connect the dots a bit better.
Quote from: cubedemon on September 16, 2015, 05:25:15 PM
Solar, the point I was making is that I literally don't grasp certain aspects of American society. Why is one not allowed to make excuses no matter the circumstances and the case even if the excuse is based upon sound and logical reasoning? How do I avoid committing wrongdoing?
Another thing, you're telling me to take the initiative and tell him no charge. Supsalemgr is telling me to interrupt the meeting. The other move is to block it off the spill with certain other objects. Which is the correct move to make here?
You're telling me to use my gut instinct. Well, my gut instinct would tell me that there are three possibilities each with the possibility of wrongdoing. So, in essence its a catch-22 and its damned if I do and damned if I do not.
Finally, I did apologize for entering troll territory as Supsalemgr said. How am I entering troll territory though? What exactly am I doing wrong? What can I do to avoid it in the future?
You trapped yourself with three options, when in truth you have hundreds of options.
Take off your work shirt, wipe up the spill, ask other employees if they have an extra towel, but some towels.
The employer will appreciate your initiative, but if he told you not to bother him with trivial crap, then don't do it.
A fire is an emergency, an life threatening accident, is an emergency, interrupt him with an emergency, a spill is not an emergency, do your job, clean up, so clean it up, no matter what it takes.
Go buy a damn mop for crying out loud.
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 06:22:46 PM
You trapped yourself with three options, when in truth you have hundreds of options.
Take off your work shirt, wipe up the spill, ask other employees if they have an extra towel, but some towels.
The employer will appreciate your initiative, but if he told you not to bother him with trivial crap, then don't do it.
A fire is an emergency, an life threatening accident, is an emergency, interrupt him with an emergency, a spill is not an emergency, do your job, clean up, so clean it up, no matter what it takes.
Go buy a damn mop for crying out loud.
Your right Solar. There are other options my friend. Some good, some not so good.
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 01:59:33 PM
I understand. I think the problem is, you way over think everything, don't look at it through a microscope.
When approaching an issue, go with your first gut instinct. Like the guy in my story, he didn't need to be shown how to use a mop, most likely because he'd used one before, so he did the best job he could, and with his work ethic, he probably went above and beyond what was asked of him.
Listen to your gut, it's God talking....
Let's take this in a different tact. You're telling me to use my gut and that it is God talking. I am assuming all of this is true about God.
1. God wants a relationship with his creation, right?
2. Part of a relationship involves communication meaning that there is a mutual understanding of what the other person says, means and their intent behind the words and actions.
3. God formed thee in thy mother's womb, right?
4. If God formed thee in thy mother's womb with a specific nature than wouldn't God communicate with me in a way that I could understand through my own God created nature and God created understanding? I am part of God's creation, right? He knows how I work, think and function so why wouldn't he speak in a tongue that was specific to how I work, think and function?
Quote from: cubedemon on September 20, 2015, 02:12:56 PM
Let's take this in a different tact. You're telling me to use my gut and that it is God talking. I am assuming all of this is true about God.
1. God wants a relationship with his creation, right?
2. Part of a relationship involves communication meaning that there is a mutual understanding of what the other person says, means and their intent behind the words and actions.
3. God formed thee in thy mother's womb, right?
4. If God formed thee in thy mother's womb with a specific nature than wouldn't God communicate with me in a way that I could understand through my own God created nature and God created understanding? I am part of God's creation, right? He knows how I work, think and function so why wouldn't he speak in a tongue that was specific to how I work, think and function?
God does not speak with you. He expects you to have faith in him and he will lead you through your life. One might think they are your chiocedsand decisions, but with faith they are actually his.
Quote from: supsalemgr on September 20, 2015, 02:30:07 PM
God does not speak with you. He expects you to have faith in him and he will lead you through your life. One might think they are your chiocedsand decisions, but with faith they are actually his.
It is the third person of the holy trinity (the holy spirit) that speaks to us in our spirit. It "prompts" us to do certain things. Sometimes it is something totally uncharacteristic of our human nature. But you learn to discern this spirit that speaks to your heart. Sometimes he gives us wisdom beyond our normal intellect. Sometimes he actually changes our heart and causes us to want to do something that we have always thought we would never do. It is totally supernatural.
However, the holy spirit only resides within those who have received the saving grace of the second person of the holy trinity, Jesus. Once we repent of our sins and receive him, he seals us with his holy spirit which will never depart from us. That is what is taught in the Bible.
Apart from the holy spirit, you are on your own. :sad:
Quote from: cubedemon on September 20, 2015, 02:12:56 PM
Let's take this in a different tact. You're telling me to use my gut and that it is God talking. I am assuming all of this is true about God.
1. God wants a relationship with his creation, right?
2. Part of a relationship involves communication meaning that there is a mutual understanding of what the other person says, means and their intent behind the words and actions.
3. God formed thee in thy mother's womb, right?
4. If God formed thee in thy mother's womb with a specific nature than wouldn't God communicate with me in a way that I could understand through my own God created nature and God created understanding? I am part of God's creation, right? He knows how I work, think and function so why wouldn't he speak in a tongue that was specific to how I work, think and function?
When I said follow your gut instincts, that's God smacking you upside the head, listen to him!
If you're about to do something real stupid, and there is little voice telling you to stop?
Gods trying to get your attention!
I assume you have a conscience? That's God talking to you, trying to get you to do the right thing.
People without conscience? It is they who have abandoned God and struck out on their own.
The closer you come to God, the louder his voice, and the better able you are to make the right choices in life.
Here's a bit of an odd thread, but may answer some questions you have, and some you've never asked, or even cared to ask, for that matter. :lol:
The author is an atheist troll that no longer trespasses the halls of CPF, so don't bother responding to him, though everyone else is still here.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/new-board/how-do-creationists-explain-vestigial-adaptations/
Quote from: Solar on September 20, 2015, 05:43:46 PM
When I said follow your gut instincts, that's God smacking you upside the head, listen to him!
If you're about to do something real stupid, and there is little voice telling you to stop?
Gods trying to get your attention!
I assume you have a conscience? That's God talking to you, trying to get you to do the right thing.
People without conscience? It is they who have abandoned God and struck out on their own.
The closer you come to God, the louder his voice, and the better able you are to make the right choices in life.
Here's a bit of an odd thread, but may answer some questions you have, and some you've never asked, or even cared to ask, for that matter. :lol:
The author is an atheist troll that no longer trespasses the halls of CPF, so don't bother responding to him, though everyone else is still here.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/new-board/how-do-creationists-explain-vestigial-adaptations/
Very interesting link, solar. Thanks for posting it.
Quote from: kroz on September 20, 2015, 06:42:20 PM
Very interesting link, solar. Thanks for posting it.
Yeah, I thought it might be food for thought for a lot of posters.
MFA is a fine poster, we have another named Moishe, that really adds to the forum, I wish he'd stop in more often as well.
Quote from: Solar on September 20, 2015, 07:20:27 PM
Yeah, I thought it might be food for thought for a lot of posters.
MFA is a fine poster, we have another named Moishe, that really adds to the forum, I wish he'd stop in more often as well.
Moishe has not even been in the Romper Room for some time now.
Quote from: walkstall on September 20, 2015, 07:31:35 PM
Moishe has not even been in the Romper Room for some time now.
Yeah, I talked to him on the phone last year and he was extremely busy with the church in Canada.
Quote from: Solar on September 20, 2015, 05:43:46 PM
When I said follow your gut instincts, that's God smacking you upside the head, listen to him!
If you're about to do something real stupid, and there is little voice telling you to stop?
Gods trying to get your attention!
I understand what you mean now. I didn't realize this and never thought of it like that.
Quote from: Solar on September 20, 2015, 05:43:46 PMI assume you have a conscience? That's God talking to you, trying to get you to do the right thing.
People without conscience? It is they who have abandoned God and struck out on their own.
Yes sir, I do have a conscience. I do get this extreme bad feeling when I'm about to do something stupid or I've done something stupid or said something stupid.
Quote from: Solar on September 20, 2015, 05:43:46 PMThe closer you come to God, the louder his voice, and the better able you are to make the right choices in life.
What do you mean come closer to God?
Quote from: Solar on September 20, 2015, 05:43:46 PM
Here's a bit of an odd thread, but may answer some questions you have, and some you've never asked, or even cared to ask, for that matter. :lol:
The author is an atheist troll that no longer trespasses the halls of CPF, so don't bother responding to him, though everyone else is still here.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/new-board/how-do-creationists-explain-vestigial-adaptations/
I have read the thread. He is very dismissive. I do accept that there are things like energies that I do not understand. I'm willing to accept the idea that God (at least a creator does exist). He did ask well wouldn't God need a God. Maybe, but Not necessarily. There is a possibility and assuming it is linear time (past to present to future) that the creator came from a distant futuristic time and created the universe in the past somehow. Past begets the future and future begets the past making time circular in a way.
Science is a useful tool but I find that it restricts me to much to a box. He restricts himself to a box.
Kroz I do want to apologize to you for something. I did ask you to prove that God exists and because the scientific method requires empiricism it is not possible. God is outside of that so for me to ask you to prove this is haughty for me to ask. God is neither provable nor disprovable. Will you accept my apology for me being a fuddy duddy on that?
Quote from: cubedemon on September 20, 2015, 08:21:18 PM
Kroz I do want to apologize to you for something. I did ask you to prove that God exists and because the scientific method requires empiricism it is not possible. God is outside of that so for me to ask you to prove this is haughty for me to ask. God is neither provable nor disprovable. Will you accept my apology for me being a fuddy duddy on that?
Of course I will. I am happy that you are even thinking about God.
I too have said some things to you that were unfair and I hope you accept my apology also..
Quote from: cubedemon on September 20, 2015, 08:21:18 PM
I understand what you mean now. I didn't realize this and never thought of it like that.
Yes sir, I do have a conscience. I do get this extreme bad feeling when I'm about to do something stupid or I've done something stupid or said something stupid.
What do you mean come closer to God?
When I was a kid I used to take my dog on hikes deep into farm country and just sit, I'd connect with God/nature and ask mercilessly innocuous questions.
He always answered. The problem is, most people become self absorbed, they worry about the stupidest of issues, and the more they focus on themselves, the further they drift away,
God has the answers, you just have to remember how he speaks to you.
QuoteI have read the thread. He is very dismissive. I do accept that there are things like energies that I do not understand. I'm willing to accept the idea that God (at least a creator does exist). He did ask well wouldn't God need a God. Maybe, but Not necessarily. There is a possibility and assuming it is linear time (past to present to future) that the creator came from a distant futuristic time and created the universe in the past somehow. Past begets the future and future begets the past making time circular in a way.
Science is a useful tool but I find that it restricts me to much to a box. He restricts himself to a box.
Kroz I do want to apologize to you for something. I did ask you to prove that God exists and because the scientific method requires empiricism it is not possible. God is outside of that so for me to ask you to prove this is haughty for me to ask. God is neither provable nor disprovable. Will you accept my apology for me being a fuddy duddy on that?
:biggrin:
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Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2015, 01:59:33 PM
I understand. I think the problem is, you way over think everything, don't look at it through a microscope.
When approaching an issue, go with your first gut instinct. Like the guy in my story, he didn't need to be shown how to use a mop, most likely because he'd used one before, so he did the best job he could, and with his work ethic, he probably went above and beyond what was asked of him.
Could it be, that jsut maybe you need to start at the bottom in an entry level job and see how the real world works?
You can read every book their is on how to mop a fllor, but until you actually do it, you'll never get it.
Take a shot, apply for an entry level position as a janitor, or golpher at a car lot, get your foot in the door, you never know where it might lead.
Let me tell you how I spent my all of my 20's seeking employment.
I'd have some menial job working construction or something, then one day on the way to work, I'd ask God for direction, and invariable he'd say turn right, pull in there and talk to that guy. I'm not making this up, it's the Gods truth.
I'd strike up a conversation with the guy and after awhile the guy would give me a lead on a job.
I'd go in, interview and was almost always hired on the spot, granted, these weren't really skilled positions, but they always lead to a better position, or a new lead.
The point is, you just have to get up the nerve to ask for a job, anything if you really want to get a start.
By the way, every single job I had, was in preparation for later in life of my career.
Thank you God, whom allowed me to retire in my 40s.
Listen to your gut, it's God talking....
I think I may have a conjecture about the workplace and what people do. What you're saying is that people get entry level jobs like janitors, etc and they make sure they do an excellent job there. They show up on time and anything they notice that needs to be done they do it. Sometimes, they will go out of there way to make sure that things are done and look to make sure things are done.
Another thing, they establish relationships with their bosses, supervisors, coworkers, etc and get on friendly terms with them but make sure they still do their job with excellence. Their work is top-notch and they make sure they do it in a reasonable amount of time.
As they are there for a while, they understand what jobs are there in that corporate workplace, government, nonprofit or organization through their established work relationships with their fellow co-workers, bosses, supervisors, CEO, etc. What ever skills they need to go for what job they want they will obtain the skills on their own, eventually apply and then use their co-workers, supervisor, etc as a springboard/recommendations.
Slowly, do this and rise through ranks to the position that one desires or maybe better or maybe go for a different career if one wants to doing the same process.
Is this how things truthfully work? Am I least on the right track or am I still way off base?
Solar, I am going to crack this code and figure this out because when I am not able to figure something it bothers me extremely and its like an itch I can't scratch. Even when I say I want to call it quits, I just feel this gnawing. Do you understand where I'm coming from?
Another thing, different phrases can mean different things in different contexts and situations. For example, when it comes to the work place be yourself is shorthand for be your best self and the best self is defined by the organization(s). The best self are those who come in on time meaning they're 15 min before their scheduled shift starts. Their clothing is clean and pressed. They're upbeat, positive and confident (meaning they believe they can do the job) and show they can through various verbal and non-verbal language.
Quote from: cubedemon on September 24, 2015, 03:20:18 PM
I think I may have a conjecture about the workplace and what people do. What you're saying is that people get entry level jobs like janitors, etc and they make sure they do an excellent job there. They show up on time and anything they notice that needs to be done they do it. Sometimes, they will go out of there way to make sure that things are done and look to make sure things are done.
Another thing, they establish relationships with their bosses, supervisors, coworkers, etc and get on friendly terms with them but make sure they still do their job with excellence. Their work is top-notch and they make sure they do it in a reasonable amount of time.
As they are there for a while, they understand what jobs are there in that corporate workplace, government, nonprofit or organization through their established work relationships with their fellow co-workers, bosses, supervisors, CEO, etc. What ever skills they need to go for what job they want they will obtain the skills on their own, eventually apply and then use their co-workers, supervisor, etc as a springboard/recommendations.
Slowly, do this and rise through ranks to the position that one desires or maybe better or maybe go for a different career if one wants to doing the same process.
Is this how things truthfully work? Am I least on the right track or am I still way off base?
Solar, I am going to crack this code and figure this out because when I am not able to figure something it bothers me extremely and its like an itch I can't scratch. Even when I say I want to call it quits, I just feel this gnawing. Do you understand where I'm coming from?
Another thing, different phrases can mean different things in different contexts and situations. For example, when it comes to the work place be yourself is shorthand for be your best self and the best self is defined by the organization(s). The best self are those who come in on time meaning they're 15 min before their scheduled shift starts. Their clothing is clean and pressed. They're upbeat, positive and confident (meaning they believe they can do the job) and show they can through various verbal and non-verbal language.
:thumbsup:
Yes, you finally got it. All you wrote is correct.
Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2015, 03:49:46 PM
:thumbsup:
Yes, you finally got it. All you wrote is correct.
Wow! I don't know what to say my friend. I am very happy and ecstatic about this. :biggrin: :biggrin:
It took me a long time to finally realize this after writing my stuff, asking multiple people questions online and offline including family members including you guys. This is so weird but it was like a sudden revelation and I was out doing tasks and stopped off at Panera Bread and bought a grilled cheese sandwich. While I was eating the sandwich this conjecture popped up in my head all at once. It was like being struck by lightening. One second, I was ignorant and next I became wise.
For me, it seems like this verse was true.
http://biblehub.com/matthew/7-7.htm
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Weird how one can be ignorant one second and then the next second, you receive a sudden understanding and then you ask yourself "What in the heck was I thinking before? Why didn't I see this?"
Has this happened to you before?
Quote from: cubedemon on September 24, 2015, 04:49:51 PM
Wow! I don't know what to say my friend. I am very happy and ecstatic about this. :biggrin: :biggrin:
It took me a long time to finally realize this after writing my stuff, asking multiple people questions online and offline including family members including you guys. This is so weird but it was like a sudden revelation and I was out doing tasks and stopped off at Panera Bread and bought a grilled cheese sandwich. While I was eating the sandwich this conjecture popped up in my head all at once. It was like being struck by lightening. One second, I was ignorant and next I became wise.
For me, it seems like this verse was true.
http://biblehub.com/matthew/7-7.htm
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Weird how one can be ignorant one second and then the next second, you receive a sudden understanding and then you ask yourself "What in the heck was I thinking before? Why didn't I see this?"
Has this happened to you before?
I had the same kind of effect when I was much younger and was eating a tuna sandwich. Yes, like someone turned on a switch, but it was later that I discovered it was the omega 3 fatty acids in the fish that triggered it.
Anyway, for me, because being ADHD, there appears to be a definite link.
Point is, repeat your diet, examine what it was you ate that day, because certain foods can and do, have positive as well a negative effects.
That, or God smacked you upside the head. :biggrin:
Solar two things:
1. Three weeks ago my mother died unexpectedly. :sad:
2. I am seeing a brand new psychologist and she recommended I go to a developmental disability center. They would do an intake, assessment and provide support. I called them and they told me that I need to gather certain things i.e. two forms of ID, diagnosis of my condition, any medication I am on, my social security pay stub or the letter that was mailed to me. I'm going to try them out and see what the heck happens. What do you think?
Quote from: cubedemon on November 11, 2015, 03:35:10 PM
Solar two things:
1. Three weeks ago my mother died unexpectedly. :sad:
2. I am seeing a brand new psychologist and she recommended I go to a developmental disability center. They would do an intake, assessment and provide support. I called them and they told me that I need to gather certain things i.e. two forms of ID, diagnosis of my condition, any medication I am on, my social security pay stub or the letter that was mailed to me. I'm going to try them out and see what the heck happens. What do you think?
First. Sorry for your loss.
Second, I think it's a great idea. If anything they can maybe place you in a job that fits your abilities.
But be very leery of meds, shrinks tend to use them as shortcuts rather than simply doing their job.
IF, they suggest a new med, research the Hell out of it for side effects, try and find people using the drug, see if they are just like you, ask questions, and then ask more, you can never be too careful.
Personally, I doubt meds are the answer, instead ask for a referral to a holistic doctor for a second opinion.
Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2015, 05:26:53 PM
First. Sorry for your loss.
TY, I appreciate it.
Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2015, 05:26:53 PM
Second, I think it's a great idea. If anything they can maybe place you in a job that fits your abilities.
Well, I will try it then. Let's see what happens.
Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2015, 05:26:53 PM
But be very leery of meds, shrinks tend to use them as shortcuts rather than simply doing their job.
IF, they suggest a new med, research the Hell out of it for side effects, try and find people using the drug, see if they are just like you, ask questions, and then ask more, you can never be too careful.
Personally, I doubt meds are the answer, instead ask for a referral to a holistic doctor for a second opinion.
My mom died from what the med folks think was a busted blood vessel in the stomach or lungs. I suspect the 15-20 drugs she was on did her in. IMHO, the psychiatrist murdered her. We can't sue for malpractice b/c he moved and retired to Columbia the country. I'm angry and I feel hatred towards him.