Don't be fooled

[walkstall]

That's how it's always been, though it cycles (Pendulum), I see a return to the church at present.

They can not believe in the government now.  So they have to go back believing in something that work for them before.  That has always been the church. 

[BPman]

Interesting near subliminal use of the derogatory "fanatics" paired with "Evangelicals" in order  to produce a negative impression of those who have left, fed up with the hypocrisy. It is actually a version of techniques of peer pressure and political correctness, which we caution the youth about all the time.  In Stalinist Russia, a graphic would be included.

No, I find the Evangelicals just as stifling as the Liberals in their "my way or the highway" diatribes. Discoveries are made regularly regarding the Bible via scholars & archaeologists.

[cubedemon]

I agree. In the past people reached out to other organizations for knowledge and support, including the church. I am afraid the propaganda espoused in government schools are having a negative and folks are finding other "support" areas. Young people feel there is an answer to any question on the internet. Unfortunately, they are not wise enough to recognize the "false prophets".

I guess you could give you my view as a member of the younger generations.   How do I do this while showing respect?  It's difficult for me to come up with the tone and the words without causing offense so if I inadvertently do I humbly apologize in advance.

With adieu, here are my thoughts.

[opinion = mine]

Some of you say that we are unwise, entitled and narcissistic.   If we are this way and turned out this way than who was responsible for creating the environment that we were all raised in that led us to this path?   We in the younger generations weren't raised in a vacuum or stowed away on an uncharted Island.  We were all nurtured by our various family members and the public educational system.   There is this idea that the older generation seems to have in our various institutions that socialization comes from our peers.  When you put your child who is inherently unwise with other children who are inherently unwise as well what do you get?   You get socialization all right but not the socialization that is desired which is Godly.   What you have is the blind leading the blind in which the older generations set up.

Do you want respectable kids, wise kids and kids who are unselfish?  Do you want kids who excellent critical thinkers?   It's simple.  You have to socialize these kids with those who are respectable, wise and who are wise.  You have to socialize them with those who are critical thinkers as well?   Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.   The problem is the older generation put the younger generation on a bad tree with bad ground?   How can fruit be nurtured to be good if the rest of the fruit is rotten?

Proverbs 22:6:   "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

If we are narcissistic as claimed than did the older generation train the younger generation in the way we all should go?   How can one learn to be wise and unselfish by our peers who know nothing themselves?   How can we be socialized by our peers who are unwise and unlearned?   If we're all given hackneyed phrases and positive affirmations that tell us absolutely nothing as to what the correct way to go is and why it is that way above others.   If we're told to use common sense all the time which is treated as biologically inherent how can we use common sense if common sense comes from wisdom and we're not wise?   If we're being told vague things like start out at the bottom without giving definitions and explaining things in very thorough detail and leaving us to just learn on our own without guidance.   

If we have unreasonable expectations of life than what are the correct and reasonable expectations that we all should have?   Don't just discipline a person with just punishment only.   Truthfully teach them.  Show them.   Walk them through things.   Be the socialization influence and not their peers.  For example, a lot of us younger people are poor at managing money.   Show us all how to manage it properly.   Explain insurance to us especially medical.   Explain things like co-pay and deductible. 

Do some of the things you did with me Solar and provide excellent advice which I can work with because it is concrete and specific and it makes sense.   If the older generations want the younger generations to be better than you have to be your Brother's Keeper and truthfully train them up in the way to go in every aspect of life and don't depend upon them learning through osmosis and from their peers who more than likely have the mindset of Beavis and Butthead. 

[/opinion]

Again, if I came across as disrespectful to you please accept my humble apology.  It is not my intent to do so and my social skills and my social graces need a bit more refinement.   I probably could use some time in charm school

[supsalemgr]

I guess you could give you my view as a member of the younger generations.   How do I do this while showing respect?  It's difficult for me to come up with the tone and the words without causing offense so if I inadvertently do I humbly apologize in advance.

With adieu, here are my thoughts.

[opinion = mine]

Some of you say that we are unwise, entitled and narcissistic.   If we are this way and turned out this way than who was responsible for creating the environment that we were all raised in that led us to this path?   We in the younger generations weren't raised in a vacuum or stowed away on an uncharted Island.  We were all nurtured by our various family members and the public educational system.   There is this idea that the older generation seems to have in our various institutions that socialization comes from our peers.  When you put your child who is inherently unwise with other children who are inherently unwise as well what do you get?   You get socialization all right but not the socialization that is desired which is Godly.   What you have is the blind leading the blind in which the older generations set up.

Do you want respectable kids, wise kids and kids who are unselfish?  Do you want kids who excellent critical thinkers?   It's simple.  You have to socialize these kids with those who are respectable, wise and who are wise.  You have to socialize them with those who are critical thinkers as well?   Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.   The problem is the older generation put the younger generation on a bad tree with bad ground?   How can fruit be nurtured to be good if the rest of the fruit is rotten?

Proverbs 22:6:   "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

If we are narcissistic as claimed than did the older generation train the younger generation in the way we all should go?   How can one learn to be wise and unselfish by our peers who know nothing themselves?   How can we be socialized by our peers who are unwise and unlearned?   If we're all given hackneyed phrases and positive affirmations that tell us absolutely nothing as to what the correct way to go is and why it is that way above others.   If we're told to use common sense all the time which is treated as biologically inherent how can we use common sense if common sense comes from wisdom and we're not wise?   If we're being told vague things like start out at the bottom without giving definitions and explaining things in very thorough detail and leaving us to just learn on our own without guidance.   

If we have unreasonable expectations of life than what are the correct and reasonable expectations that we all should have?   Don't just discipline a person with just punishment only.   Truthfully teach them.  Show them.   Walk them through things.   Be the socialization influence and not their peers.  For example, a lot of us younger people are poor at managing money.   Show us all how to manage it properly.   Explain insurance to us especially medical.   Explain things like co-pay and deductible. 

Do some of the things you did with me Solar and provide excellent advice which I can work with because it is concrete and specific and it makes sense.   If the older generations want the younger generations to be better than you have to be your Brother's Keeper and truthfully train them up in the way to go in every aspect of life and don't depend upon them learning through osmosis and from their peers who more than likely have the mindset of Beavis and Butthead. 

[/opinion]

Again, if I came across as disrespectful to you please accept my humble apology.  It is not my intent to do so and my social skills and my social graces need a bit more refinement.   I probably could use some time in charm school

I did not sense any disrespect and you raise some very good points and questions.

You mentioned schools and that is right on as schools have become so PC that core values are absolutely missing in most government schools. The other area is the lack of good parenting to put children on the right path and keeping them there. Too many parents have the misconception they must be "friends" with their children. That is pure bunk. I raised my kids the way I was raised. My son, who is now, forty-six did not like me much in his teen years. However, a few years ago he came to me and thanked for the way I loved and treated him as a teen. He is trying to raise his daughters in the same manner. Also, there are too many fatherless families and that puts a child at a disadvantage right off the bat.

I am sorry I do not have an easy solution for your questions. It is possible for today's youth to overcome these detriments, but it is not easy.

[cubedemon]

You mentioned schools and that is right on as schools have become so PC that core values are absolutely missing in most government schools. The other area is the lack of good parenting to put children on the right path and keeping them there. Too many parents have the misconception they must be "friends" with their children. That is pure bunk. I raised my kids the way I was raised. My son, who is now, forty-six did not like me much in his teen years. However, a few years ago he came to me and thanked for the way I loved and treated him as a teen. He is trying to raise his daughters in the same manner. Also, there are too many fatherless families and that puts a child at a disadvantage right off the bat.

PC, Oh how I can't stand political correctness.   IMHO, it stifles free flow of ideas and thoughts.   It is a major problem with my com-padres in the Autism community.  In short, they want to ban words like retarded and they want people to say Autistic person instead of person with autism.    I can rant on about it.   This whole PC does not help those like myself in the slightest and PC is an infection within the autism community that must be uprooted.   PC will not help us to get what we need and that is to be able to be functional in society including but not limited to employment and managing a home.   To worry about banning words and other PC nonsense is just plain retarded.

Anyway, I don't have a child so I have no idea how to raise a child.  At this time, I don't believe myself to be fit yet.   I can't raise a child to be healthy and wise if I have emotional issues and I'm unwise myself.   I have to work on myself first and get myself to a place in which I can raise a child to be the best person they can be whether autistic or not.   I will say my friend, if your child is functional and doing well then it seems like your methods of raising him worked.  The proof seems to be in the outcome.  You did excellent in my book and I commend you. 

I am sorry I do not have an easy solution for your questions. It is possible for today's youth to overcome these detriments, but it is not easy.

It's fine!  I understand and there are no real easy answers.   I think I do have an advantage over other youth in this regard.  The advantage I do have is that I am an analyst and I examine and question things.   I like and I need things to make logical sense.  This is one part of my personality.  Another part is that I try to be open to possibilities and new ideas that may challenge my own.

With respect to my writings and my questioning and debates with others on this forum I do try to keep an open mind about things.   I like to get to the truth(s) or at least a truth(s) about things as much as possible and I always wonder am I really correct on this?   When I'm debating you guys and/or questioning I'm debating with various aspects of myself on things as well. 

[red_dirt]

I guess you could give you my view as a member of the younger generations.   How do I do this while showing respect?  It's difficult for me to come up with the tone and the words without causing offense so if I inadvertently do I humbly apologize in advance.

With adieu, here are my thoughts.

[opinion = mine]

Some of you say that we are unwise, entitled and narcissistic.   If we are this way and turned out this way than who was responsible for creating the environment that we were all raised in that led us to this path?   We in the younger generations weren't raised in a vacuum or stowed away on an uncharted Island.  We were all nurtured by our various family members and the public educational system.   There is this idea that the older generation seems to have in our various institutions that socialization comes from our peers.  When you put your child who is inherently unwise with other children who are inherently unwise as well what do you get?   You get socialization all right but not the socialization that is desired which is Godly.   What you have is the blind leading the blind in which the older generations set up.

Do you want respectable kids, wise kids and kids who are unselfish?  Do you want kids who excellent critical thinkers?   It's simple.  You have to socialize these kids with those who are respectable, wise and who are wise.  You have to socialize them with those who are critical thinkers as well?   Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.   The problem is the older generation put the younger generation on a bad tree with bad ground?   How can fruit be nurtured to be good if the rest of the fruit is rotten?

Proverbs 22:6:   "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

If we are narcissistic as claimed than did the older generation train the younger generation in the way we all should go?   How can one learn to be wise and unselfish by our peers who know nothing themselves?   How can we be socialized by our peers who are unwise and unlearned?   If we're all given hackneyed phrases and positive affirmations that tell us absolutely nothing as to what the correct way to go is and why it is that way above others.   If we're told to use common sense all the time which is treated as biologically inherent how can we use common sense if common sense comes from wisdom and we're not wise?   If we're being told vague things like start out at the bottom without giving definitions and explaining things in very thorough detail and leaving us to just learn on our own without guidance.   

If we have unreasonable expectations of life than what are the correct and reasonable expectations that we all should have?   Don't just discipline a person with just punishment only.   Truthfully teach them.  Show them.   Walk them through things.   Be the socialization influence and not their peers.  For example, a lot of us younger people are poor at managing money.   Show us all how to manage it properly.   Explain insurance to us especially medical.   Explain things like co-pay and deductible. 

Do some of the things you did with me Solar and provide excellent advice which I can work with because it is concrete and specific and it makes sense.   If the older generations want the younger generations to be better than you have to be your Brother's Keeper and truthfully train them up in the way to go in every aspect of life and don't depend upon them learning through osmosis and from their peers who more than likely have the mindset of Beavis and Butthead. 

[/opinion]

Again, if I came across as disrespectful to you please accept my humble apology.  It is not my intent to do so and my social skills and my social graces need a bit more refinement.   I probably could use some time in charm school

Well said and well written, Cube. Now, at a certain point, pleasing others, be it adults, peers, politically correct society, or society in general, becomes no longer an option.  Especially with respect to that last one, pleasing or fitting in to society, it is simply impossible because society itself is impossible. That is why the bars and lounges are full to overflowing, the horde trying to fit in to the lost society, trying to act black, all those things we see and can be so easily drawn into.  It is in TV, especially the ads, and in the music. With all those channels and all that content, you can't just turn it on and watch a game. You have to get brainwashed.  Bottom line, the sooner a man or woman bails out, the better.

[daidalos]

Religious activity in America particularly, but in human civilization as a whole. No matter what the religion is btw, has always ebbed and flowed.

All throughout not only our own history, but the history of other nations, even in the Bible itself the fox hole effect can be seen.

When times are "good" folks tend to "drift" away from God and religion in general.

But as soon as times are not so "good". Bam, everyone's suddenly back in the church praying and religious.

[red_dirt]

UKIP off to a good start, today. Then the Pakis came out and swung it to Labour.  That could be our future.