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Title: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: eninn on August 31, 2012, 04:45:50 AM

the revelation came Jibreel to the Prophet Muhammad told him Eayat God and reduce him and said, ((6) Then perhaps you would kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muhammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and ] out of sorrow (
The words of Allaah ((21) So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder
(22) You are not over them a controller
(23) However, he who turns away and disbelieves
(24) Then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment
(25) Indeed, to Us is their return
(26) Then indeed, upon Us is their account (
   
Torment of the grave should be right to be wary of him and even prepare for this most important stage of our lives, and unfortunately there are those who question the truth in this ....
Some researchers have denied the punishment of the grave on the grounds that it did not appear in the Koran, the Hadith in the right-Bukhari and Muslim have denied these grounds that they violate the Koran, what is the truth of the matter?
Dear beloved! Above all we would like to ask the question: Is there one verse in the Quran says that man is not punished in the grave, of course, the infidel, and not insured? Of course, there are no such verses but there are many verses confirm and prove the torment of the grave.

Verses prove torment of the grave
There is a verse confirms that the infidels are being tortured in the grave and see the fire in the morning and evening, as is the case with Pharaoh and his soldiers, the Almighty says: ((45) So Allah protected him from the evils they plotted, and the people of Pharaoh were enveloped by the worst of punishment * fire offer by noon a day and evening and admitted to the time of Pharaoh the most torment) [forgiving: 45-46]. The next day and evening, particularly this world, and the torment of the Hereafter, either permanent or permanent Naim. Therefore, the Pharaoh's offering to the fire in the morning and evening, is not this a form of punishment in the grave?

Verses prove torment the moment of death
There are verses confirm that the torment begins from the moment of death, since the angels die This is the infidel, and therefore God says: ((50) And if you could but see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved ... They are striking their faces and their backs and [saying], "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire. Add new comment) [Anfal: 50]. and here we find that the angels of death who caught the spirit of this infidel may beat him and tortured him and then say to him: (and Taste the torment of the fire) any punishment of the grave and the torment of the Hereafter.
The angels of death come to the infidel  form a painful and this kind of torment before the torment of the grave, so God says: ((27) Then how [will it be] when the angels take them in death, striking their faces and their backs) [Mohammad : 27].
There is a verse confirms that the infidel see torment the moment of death, therefore, request the Lord to bring him back to this world, so God says: ((99) [For such is the state of the disbelievers], until, when death comes to one of them, he says, " My Lord, send me bac

(100) That I might do righteousness in that which I left behind. "No! It is only a word he is saying; and behind them is a barrier until the Day they are resurrected) [Believers: 99-100], and the question: Why ask the infidels refer to the minimum? when they see the torment, of course, know the truth, and they know that God is right, and that the torment of the Fire became a reality, so asking to return to this world to do good works, but it is impossible. ...
If the phenomenon of death go unnoticed if asked why they return to this world?! Therefore, Allah says in the verse again: (10. And spend (in charity) of that with which We have provided you, before death comes to one of you and he says: "My Lord! If only You would give me respite for a little while (i.e. return to the worldly life), then I should give Sadaqah (i.e. Zakat) of my wealth , and be among the righteous [i.e. perform Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah)].

11. And Allah grants respite to none when his appointed time (death) comes. And Allah is All-Aware of what you do. ) [hypocrites: 10-11]. To be sure, death is not a picnic or stage of sleep where the rights or lose consciousness! It is the stage of suffering or Naim, so always ask the infidel to return to this world because he sees suffering from the moment of death, imagine what awaits him after death!
 
Verses confirm the infidel dialogue with the angels of punishment
There are verses confirm the existence of a dialogue between the infidel and the angels of punishment for the moment of death, and we find that the verses are always talking about punishment after death, for example Think of me this verse, Allah says: ((97) Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, "In what [condition] were you?" They will say, "We were oppressed in the land." The angels will say, "Was not the earth of All h spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein? "For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination.) [women: 97].

No one denies the punishment of the grave
The one who contemplates the verses of the Koran teaches that there is no verse in the Koran denies the punishment of the grave only one verse of a suspect on the other, the Almighty says: (52. They will say: "Woe to us! Who has raised us up from our place of sleep." (It will be said to them): "This is what the Most Beneficent (Allah) had promised, and the Messengers spoke truth!") [Yassin: 52], and the explanation is: that man in his grave tortures himself that tasted death, but the flesh is in the case of sleep, and when Allaah raises him from his grave, he realizes that the Day of Resurrection, right, and that the punishment will be the soul and body together and that God will replace his skin as maturity, as the Almighty said: ((56) Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, All h is ever Exalted in Might and Wise) [women: 56].
   
Hard Qur'anic and logical that the grave is either the gardens of Paradise, or piece of fire, and say both deny the punishment of the grave, if not convinced by these verses clear this is your problem, not the problem of the Qur'an, Qur'an which explains everything, but only to look and ponder and reflect on.
Talk show torment of the grave
There are dozens of conversations correct and that do not only arrogant confirm the torment of the grave, and even ordered to seek refuge from the torment of the grave, it was narrated from Abu Hurayrah, may Allah be pleased with him that the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him said: (If you completed one of you tashahhud others seek refuge with Allah from four of the torment Hell, the torment of the grave and the trials of life and death and evil of the Antichrist) [Narrated by Muslim] ... There is much talk confirms that the infidel tortured in his grave, and the believer enjoys in his grave.
We say: If the infidel who has committed sins and immorality and injustice of the people and eat the rights of others ... If this does not punish the infidel in his grave, Will is in flight entertainment, even the time? We also say that the body of the infidel wear out and exhausted, but the soul is tormented, but the same insured  to the Creator to enjoy and is preparing to enter the Paradise on the Day of Resurrection, and the Almighty said: ((27) [To the righteous it will be said], "O reassured soul
(28) Return to your Lord, well-pleased and pleasing [to Him]
(29) And enter among My [righteous] servant * and go in Committees) [Fajr: 27-30].

Finally
I say, my brothers and sisters,. In the book of God many of the verses is not absorbed by the human mind, like the miracles of the prophets ... May Allah (SWT) to Prophet Solomon peace be upon the jinn and devils and the wind carried his command ... And split the moon to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him ... And Allaah saved Abraham peace be upon him from the fire and the law of combustion malfunction ...
All of this can not be explained by the laws of physics and the universe, but we as Muslims are seeing that everything that came in the Book of Allah and the Messenger of Allah is true is the truth, and the human mind is very limited. The denial of some of the conversations the right leads to the denial of some verses of the Koran on the grounds that they violate the mind ... The Glory of God, if some Western scientists atheists say that we do not discover the secrets of the universe is very little, what do not we should we Muslims have to respect the hadeeth of the Messenger of God peace be upon him, and say, as he says: (85. And they ask you (O Muhammad) concerning the Ruh (the Spirit); Say: "The Ruh (the Spirit): it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.") Isra: 85].
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: eninn on August 31, 2012, 04:46:21 AM
المسلم الأمريكي الجديد -- الترجمة العربية (arabic subtitles) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewVZ6eMIhP0#ws)


القسيس الذي انحنى خجلاً أمام أحمد ديدات (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRJRTrTksQ#)
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 04:50:17 AM
We are all infidels here. No interest in allah. Only in defeating radical Islam.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Solar on August 31, 2012, 06:53:19 AM
Quote from: eninn on August 31, 2012, 04:45:50 AM
the revelation came Jibreel to the Prophet Muhammad told him Eayat God and reduce him and said, ((6) Then perhaps you would kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muhammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and ] out of sorrow (
The words of Allaah ((21) So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder
(22) You are not over them a controller
(23) However, he who turns away and disbelieves
(24) Then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment
(25) Indeed, to Us is their return
(26) Then indeed, upon Us is their account (

Why do you punish women, treat them like chattel, why do you force them to cover their face, why can't they drive?
And you expect us to listen to the words of a pedophile?
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 07:56:05 AM
Quote from: Solar on August 31, 2012, 06:53:19 AM
Why do you punish women, treat them like chattel, why do you force them to cover their face, why can't they drive?
And you expect us to listen to the words of a pedophile?

I'd like to know what you're supposed to do with 72 virgins, when you don't even have a body. It's supposedly the spiritual realm. Talk about frustrating. :cursing:
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Solar on August 31, 2012, 09:13:10 AM
Quote from: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 07:56:05 AM
I'd like to know what you're supposed to do with 72 virgins, when you don't even have a body. It's supposedly the spiritual realm. Talk about frustrating. :cursing:
One or a billion seventy two, who wants to teach that many women?

Myself, I'd be in charge, assuming Heaven is everyone's ideal dream, so I will be choosing what constitutes a virgin.
They may all just wind up with virgin pigs depending on my mood that day. :laugh:
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: CubaLibre on August 31, 2012, 10:04:31 AM
Quote from: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 07:56:05 AM
I'd like to know what you're supposed to do with 72 virgins, when you don't even have a body. It's supposedly the spiritual realm. Talk about frustrating. :cursing:
Actually, according to Achmed the Dead confirmed that they get one 72 year old virgin.  :scared:
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: JustKari on August 31, 2012, 10:45:19 AM
Was their a discussion point in all that that I missed?  My mind went crack trying to read most of that as it wasn't even in complete sentences, I guess what the Muslims claim is true A LOT is lost in translation.  :blink:
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 11:06:57 AM
Quote from: JustKari on August 31, 2012, 10:45:19 AM
Was their a discussion point in all that that I missed?  My mind went crack trying to read most of that as it wasn't even in complete sentences, I guess what the Muslims claim is true A LOT is lost in translation.  :blink:

I haven't read more but a sentence or two, but apparently eninn is atempting to convert us to islam.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Solar on August 31, 2012, 11:13:38 AM
Quote from: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 11:06:57 AM
I haven't read more but a sentence or two, but apparently eninn is atempting to convert us to islam.
He's nothing more than a troll, he doesn't even read the responses people make.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: Solar on August 31, 2012, 11:13:38 AM
He's nothing more than a troll, he doesn't even read the responses people make.

He's probably dropping those messages on 100 forums. Kinda like a male dog pisses on everything in sight and never looks back. :laugh:
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: JustKari on August 31, 2012, 11:31:18 AM
Thanks guys, I know my brain has been fuzzy this close to the end of pregnancy, and I just could not even see what he was trying to get at.  Consider me not converted. :lol:
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Solar on August 31, 2012, 11:46:06 AM
Quote from: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 11:21:40 AM
He's probably dropping those messages on 100 forums. Kinda like a male dog pisses on everything in sight and never looks back. :laugh:
Yeah, he always comes back under a new name, but it's always the same troll spamming thousands of boards.I'd ban him, but he is the best advocate for our side, he shows just how backward all Muscums are.

He makes Christian fanatics look like Saints. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 03:02:50 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 31, 2012, 11:46:06 AM
Yeah, he always comes back under a new name, but it's always the same troll spamming thousands of boards.I'd ban him, but he is the best advocate for our side, he shows just how backward all Muscums are.

He makes Christian fanatics look like Saints. :biggrin:

Aside from taking up space on the servers, I guess it's harmless. I'll never read it.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Solar on August 31, 2012, 04:15:46 PM
Quote from: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 03:02:50 PM
Aside from taking up space on the servers, I guess it's harmless. I'll never read it.
I should explain fanatics, as in reference to those nuts that protest at Military funerals.
Outside of them, I really don't know of any.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: Solar on August 31, 2012, 04:15:46 PM
I should explain fanatics, as in reference to those nuts that protest at Military funerals.
Outside of them, I really don't know of any.

I've run into a couple. I dismiss them. Even if it's a sports freak.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: JustKari on August 31, 2012, 05:19:52 PM
And in all fairness to Christians, those guys that protest military funerals are actually a group of lawyers who call themselves Christian for the tax breaks.  They aren't just fanatics, they are dirty, rotten, scoundrel, lying, fanatics.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 05:51:51 PM
Quote from: JustKari on August 31, 2012, 05:19:52 PM
And in all fairness to Christians, those guys that protest military funerals are actually a group of lawyers who call themselves Christian for the tax breaks.  They aren't just fanatics, they are dirty, rotten, scoundrel, lying, fanatics.

Are you talking about the Westboro Baptist church? Those people are certifiably insane. They're lawyers? :blink:
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Solar on August 31, 2012, 06:21:37 PM
Quote from: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 05:51:51 PM
Are you talking about the Westboro Baptist church? Those people are certifiably insane. They're lawyers? :blink:
I thought they were a family?
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: JustKari on August 31, 2012, 06:30:06 PM
Quote from: kramarat on August 31, 2012, 05:51:51 PM
Are you talking about the Westboro Baptist church? Those people are certifiably insane. They're lawyers? :blink:

Yes, WBC is a front, it isn't an actual church.  They are lawyers.  I will see if I can dig up my old links about it.

I can't find what I had, but the wiki is actually pretty close to what I have read.  Solar, you are right, most of the members (if not all) are the family members of Fred Phelps. This guys "philosophy", because I refuse to call it theology, sounds very similar in some instances to Jeremiah Wright. 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church)
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: eninn on September 01, 2012, 05:01:53 AM
Why do you punish women, treat them like chattel, why do you force them to cover their face, why can't they drive?
And you expect us to listen to the words of a pedophile?

Unfortunately

In America
Cases of rape
Of a woman or girl
Every
6 minutes


USA has one of the highest rates of rape

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to an FBI report, in the year 1990, everyday on an average 1756 rapes were committed in USA alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got 'bolder' in the following years.


In Islamic countries
Delinquent
Known in the inside that veiled Muslim women beautiful more than a woman dressed in scandalous

And wishes to see any part of her
Candy-covered
  Take hearts
  More than a Stripper

Rate of rape in Muslim countries, very few

Rate of rape in western countries is very high





Twisting and turning and distance from the truth


     -Mixing in the sense that we see today

     Hands and arms of peace and kisses between the sexes
     Dating and in and out at night

     - This is the truth can not deny.
     Boys and girls living together
     Without a legitimate marriage and the children of illegal
     This is the basis of Western society



     -Western talk of women's liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have 'uplifted' women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of 'art' and 'culture'.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Solar on September 01, 2012, 05:26:09 AM
Quote from: eninn on September 01, 2012, 05:01:53 AM
Why do you punish women, treat them like chattel, why do you force them to cover their face, why can't they drive?
And you expect us to listen to the words of a pedophile?

Unfortunately

In America
Cases of rape
Of a woman or girl
Every
6 minutes


USA has one of the highest rates of rape

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to an FBI report, in the year 1990, everyday on an average 1756 rapes were committed in USA alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got 'bolder' in the following years.


In Islamic countries
Delinquent
Known in the inside that veiled Muslim women beautiful more than a woman dressed in scandalous

And wishes to see any part of her
Candy-covered
  Take hearts
  More than a Stripper

Rate of rape in Muslim countries, very few

Rate of rape in western countries is very high





Twisting and turning and distance from the truth


     -Mixing in the sense that we see today

     Hands and arms of peace and kisses between the sexes
     Dating and in and out at night

     - This is the truth can not deny.
     Boys and girls living together
     Without a legitimate marriage and the children of illegal
     This is the basis of Western society



     -Western talk of women's liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have 'uplifted' women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of 'art' and 'culture'.
In the US, any unwanted sexual contact is considered rape, in your country, the woman has no such right of protection.
So cut the crap, you live in a country of backward thinking animals that see women as property, not equals.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on September 01, 2012, 05:38:25 AM
QuoteRate of rape in Muslim countries, very few

Rate of rape in western countries is very high

Right. A woman that is raped in a muslim country has to produce 4 male witnesses, otherwise, no rape occurred. Do we really need to get into the specifics of how women are treated in muslim countries?

By the way, our president has embraced homosexuality as a great lifestyle, and the democrat convention is opening with 2 hours of muslim prayer. How does allah feel about homosexuality?
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: JustKari on September 01, 2012, 07:48:57 AM
You know, I could post some of the HUNDREDS of links regarding rape or gang rape of white women and children in Europe and  Scandinavia by Muslims.  It wouldn't make any difference though, because your definition of rape is so different than ours that would do no good. 

Anyone who can justify rape in their post, like you did, for all of us to see, shows EXACTLY how Muslims view non-Muslim women.  I need to walk away from this thread for a while.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on September 01, 2012, 09:52:45 AM
Quote from: JustKari on September 01, 2012, 07:48:57 AM
You know, I could post some of the HUNDREDS of links regarding rape or gang rape of white women and children in Europe and  Scandinavia by Muslims.  It wouldn't make any difference though, because your definition of rape is so different than ours that would do no good. 

Anyone who can justify rape in their post, like you did, for all of us to see, shows EXACTLY how Muslims view non-Muslim women.  I need to walk away from this thread for a while.

He won't be around long Kari. He's obviously confused. I can't help but wonder how he feels about the imam doing the prayer at the democrat convention here in the US. The platform is going to be abortion on demand and homosexual marriage, and an imam is going to be placing allah's blessing on the entire thing.

I'm glad I'm not a muslim. I would feel nothing but shame and betrayal by such an act.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: eninn on September 03, 2012, 06:48:25 AM
There is a difference between rape and adultery

In crime
Adultery
This crime is by mutual consent

There must be four witnesses
Because both sides wanted to hide
And also to protect the Muslim Family
Falsehood of the claim

As for rape without the consent of the parties
Coercion and violence
Sufficient testimony of a woman
The medical examiner

Islam respect women
And Muslim women
Comes first
In the life of a Muslim man
Unlike women in the West
Is a cheap commodity
Recognition
Women of the West


- Says Glenda Jackson carrier Oscars awarded by the Queen of Britain and the medal of the highest state medals, which was awarded the British Academy Award, Festival Montreal World says: (The instinct made man is the most powerful and dominant building on to his reasons for the force to make it in the first place, including summed up by the power of God move in life, and extract its resources, it is self-serve when the man that qualify automatically to face the burdens of life, development, and sustained in the areas of life).

B - the US women's leader (Fleche Hlavi) called on women to the need for attention to the husband and children before the job of interest, and must be the husband is the head of the family and the commander of rudderless.
C - In the recent book about the life of English writer famous (Agatha Christie) it is stated as saying: (The women of modern joint-stock; because their position in society is getting worse day by day; we women act act a fool ; because we have made the effort over the years; for the right to work and equality in working with men.
And men are not stupid; Hjona has it that advertisers do not mind at all that the working wife and the husband's income has doubled.

It is sad to find that after we proved we women fairer sex weak that we get back in the day to equate effort and sweat, which was awarded to men and alone).
D - says an American psychologist: (Any woman who said: I am sure myself, and went out without censor or kill herself it Haseeb and chastity).

الإسلام و المسيحية........... Islam und Christentum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UdJtJx4SrA#)

احمد ديدات الزواج و الطلاق فالإسلام - راااااائع (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn_V2Ei5en8#)

Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Solar on September 03, 2012, 07:58:31 AM
Quote from: eninn on September 03, 2012, 06:48:25 AM
There is a difference between rape and adultery

In crime
Adultery
This crime is by mutual consent

There must be four witnesses
Because both sides wanted to hide
And also to protect the Muslim Family
Falsehood of the claim

As for rape without the consent of the parties
Coercion and violence
Sufficient testimony of a woman
The medical examiner

Islam respect women
And Muslim women
Comes first


Really? Do you really think you're fooling anyone?

To all of you reading this, don't watch the video, unless you like watching Muscm men respect women to death, a slow agonizing death, one designed to cover their lack of masculinity.

Real men don't abuse women, only girly men would throw rocks at a helpless female, one where her hands are tied and she is buried up to her shoulders.
Only a mad man would write such laws!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b1e7e992d7 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b1e7e992d7)
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on September 03, 2012, 08:04:01 AM
Quote from: eninn on September 03, 2012, 06:48:25 AM
There is a difference between rape and adultery

In crime
Adultery
This crime is by mutual consent

There must be four witnesses
Because both sides wanted to hide
And also to protect the Muslim Family
Falsehood of the claim

As for rape without the consent of the parties
Coercion and violence
Sufficient testimony of a woman
The medical examiner

Islam respect women
And Muslim women
Comes first
In the life of a Muslim man
Unlike women in the West
Is a cheap commodity
Recognition
Women of the West


- Says Glenda Jackson carrier Oscars awarded by the Queen of Britain and the medal of the highest state medals, which was awarded the British Academy Award, Festival Montreal World says: (The instinct made man is the most powerful and dominant building on to his reasons for the force to make it in the first place, including summed up by the power of God move in life, and extract its resources, it is self-serve when the man that qualify automatically to face the burdens of life, development, and sustained in the areas of life).

B - the US women's leader (Fleche Hlavi) called on women to the need for attention to the husband and children before the job of interest, and must be the husband is the head of the family and the commander of rudderless.
C - In the recent book about the life of English writer famous (Agatha Christie) it is stated as saying: (The women of modern joint-stock; because their position in society is getting worse day by day; we women act act a fool ; because we have made the effort over the years; for the right to work and equality in working with men.
And men are not stupid; Hjona has it that advertisers do not mind at all that the working wife and the husband's income has doubled.

It is sad to find that after we proved we women fairer sex weak that we get back in the day to equate effort and sweat, which was awarded to men and alone).
D - says an American psychologist: (Any woman who said: I am sure myself, and went out without censor or kill herself it Haseeb and chastity).

الإسلام و المسيحية........... Islam und Christentum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UdJtJx4SrA#)

احمد ديدات الزواج و الطلاق فالإسلام - راااااائع (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn_V2Ei5en8#)

Okay fine. I guess you're not going away, so it's time to start posting facts about how muslim women are treated. I'll get back to you.

I'm sure that Kari and others here, will be happy to provide evidence.

Lets start off with female genital mutilation, shall we?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136907/Genital-mutilation-British-muslim-leader-caught-camera-advocating-female-circumcision.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136907/Genital-mutilation-British-muslim-leader-caught-camera-advocating-female-circumcision.html)
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Solar on September 03, 2012, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: kramarat on September 03, 2012, 08:04:01 AM
Okay fine. I guess you're not going away, so it's time to start posting facts about how muslim women are treated. I'll get back to you.

I'm sure that Kari and others here, will be happy to provide evidence.

Lets start off with female genital mutilation, shall we?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136907/Genital-mutilation-British-muslim-leader-caught-camera-advocating-female-circumcision.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136907/Genital-mutilation-British-muslim-leader-caught-camera-advocating-female-circumcision.html)
We posted about the same moment.
You can expect his response will have nothing to do with our posts, but rather some obscure quote from a mad man pedophile that feared women in the 7th century.

The Koran is not a Religion, but a political way of life, wrapped up in cult fervor.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on September 03, 2012, 08:14:13 AM
Quote from: Solar on September 03, 2012, 08:10:06 AM
We posted about the same moment.
You can expect his response will have nothing to do with our posts, but rather some obscure quote from a mad man pedophile that feared women in the 7th century.

The Koran is not a Religion, but a political way of life, wrapped up in cult fervor.

This will be fun. No sense in getting angry.....................and everyone can learn some facts about the muslim world.

There's such a wealth of information. I figured that the genital mutilation of women would be a good starting point.

Thanks for posting enenn. Lets all go to school and learn some stuff. :wink:
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on September 03, 2012, 08:27:12 AM
Lets roll..................... :laugh:

Beheading of an abused maid in saudi arabia.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muRXWLjUb90#)

Teenager stoned to death for entering a beauty pageant (Ukraine) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbFiyuIUIFs#)
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on September 03, 2012, 08:42:11 AM
I hope you don't get too offended Kari, but ennid wants to get the facts out.........................and I'm here to help.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: JustKari on September 03, 2012, 09:25:40 AM
Quote from: kramarat on September 03, 2012, 08:42:11 AM
I hope you don't get too offended Kari, but ennid wants to get the facts out.........................and I'm here to help.

I am not offended.  In 2010, in Norwey all solved rape cases in that ENTIRE country were commited by Muslim men.  That is not to say that all rapes perpetrated were by Muslims, just that they were so brash about it that in most cases they were caught right away.  Women all over Europe now travel and run errands in groups because of the epidemic levels of Muslim assault on women.  I am certain the same will happen here, I also fear that, like in Europe criminologists will be afraid to say what needs to be said in order for the truth to get out.  The will fear being called racist islamiphobes.  The Koran is an evil book if it teaches that this is okay, and with the nonchalant way eninn posts, I have no doubt that he won't see anything you post as wrong, but perhaps for those others who see it, it will be an eye-opener.
One has to only Google "muslim rape" to find enough proof to keep a most watchful eye on your children next time you are out.  :sad:
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on September 03, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Quote from: JustKari on September 03, 2012, 09:25:40 AM
I am not offended.  In 2010, in Norwey all solved rape cases in that ENTIRE country were commited by Muslim men.  That is not to say that all rapes perpetrated were by Muslims, just that they were so brash about it that in most cases they were caught right away.  Women all over Europe now travel and run errands in groups because of the epidemic levels of Muslim assault on women.  I am certain the same will happen here, I also fear that, like in Europe criminologists will be afraid to say what needs to be said in order for the truth to get out.  The will fear being called racist islamiphobes.  The Koran is an evil book if it teaches that this is okay, and with the nonchalant way eninn posts, I have no doubt that he won't see anything you post as wrong, but perhaps for those others who see it, it will be an eye-opener.
One has to only Google "muslim rape" to find enough proof to keep a most watchful eye on your children next time you are out.  :sad:

This will be interesting. My God loves everyone..............even the sinners. Ennins God hates everyone...................except the rapists and murderers. My God promises an eternity of peace. Ennin's God promises the ability to rape 72 virgins. Quite the contrast.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on September 03, 2012, 10:26:59 AM
Can you imagine feeling good about yourself, by smashing that beautiful young girl with rocks?


Her body smashed beyond recognition? And then claiming that you were doing Gods work.

Her lifeless and unrecognizable corpse thrown into a shallow grave, like yesterday's trash. Her crime? She was pretty and smart.

Yes. These bastards will be opening the democrat convention.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on September 03, 2012, 10:40:52 AM
C'mon back and justify this behavior ennin. Tell me how damned wonderful allah is. :glare:
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: eninn on September 04, 2012, 04:40:31 AM
The vast majority of women
God created them to an appropriate body
Circumcision does not need to
But
Very few women need it


(222), Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves. "
The issue here
That there are some women and girls

They have a large clitoris and slightly high

In that case requires circumcision
By a very small

This is to avoid falling into adultery in early age

This makes her think of committing adultery with the other

And circumcision in those cases
Protection and prevention

These very few cases when girls
Circumcision is not a basis for girls

But very few cases that require

This is a result of medical examination

Not affected by the girl physically and psychologically

Circumcision is Mandatory for men but for female but not obligatory.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2012, 06:57:56 AM
Told you he would avoid the obvious.
Let me know when it's time to send him to his 72 virgin piglets.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: kramarat on September 05, 2012, 03:44:47 AM
Quote from: eninn on September 04, 2012, 04:40:31 AM
The vast majority of women
God created them to an appropriate body
Circumcision does not need to
But
Very few women need it


(222), Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves. "
The issue here
That there are some women and girls

They have a large clitoris and slightly high

In that case requires circumcision
By a very small

This is to avoid falling into adultery in early age

This makes her think of committing adultery with the other

And circumcision in those cases
Protection and prevention

These very few cases when girls
Circumcision is not a basis for girls

But very few cases that require

This is a result of medical examination

Not affected by the girl physically and psychologically

Circumcision is Mandatory for men but for female but not obligatory.

There is no legitimate medical reason for this butchery. It's sickness.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: JustKari on September 05, 2012, 07:46:20 AM
Your men get circed in infancy, try waiting until puberty, and doing it in the same way you do to your women.  Maybe then your adultery/rape issue would dissapate a bit. 

Muslims have been butchering up their females for centuries, you cover them in burkas, you stifle their voices, yet your rape and molestation rates are some of the highest in the world.  On this subject, you are the epitome of insanity, you keep doing the same wrong thing, and expect a different result, I suspect it's because you like that result.  What you DON'T expect is that your women are coming with you to America, they hear about female equality, and they start pushing back.  While you men are busy trying to get Sharia here (which won't happen) your women are realizing that there is more to life than being your slave.  So, welcome to America, we will mold you into OUR likeness, whether you want it or not.

I am done trying to translate Yoda.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2012, 07:00:56 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/world/europe/turkey-rape-beheading/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/world/europe/turkey-rape-beheading/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Patriot on December 27, 2012, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: eninn on August 31, 2012, 04:45:50 AM
the revelation came Jibreel to the Prophet Muhammad told him Eayat God and reduce him and said, ((6) Then perhaps you would kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muhammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and ] out of sorrow (
The words of Allaah ((21) So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder
(22) You are not over them a controller
(23) However, he who turns away and disbelieves
(24) Then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment
(25) Indeed, to Us is their return
(26) Then indeed, upon Us is their account (
   
Torment of the grave should be right to be wary of him and even prepare for this most important stage of our lives, and unfortunately there are those who question the truth in this ....
Some researchers have denied the punishment of the grave on the grounds that it did not appear in the Koran, the Hadith in the right-Bukhari and Muslim have denied these grounds that they violate the Koran, what is the truth of the matter?
Dear beloved! Above all we would like to ask the question: Is there one verse in the Quran says that man is not punished in the grave, of course, the infidel, and not insured? Of course, there are no such verses but there are many verses confirm and prove the torment of the grave.

Verses prove torment of the grave
There is a verse confirms that the infidels are being tortured in the grave and see the fire in the morning and evening, as is the case with Pharaoh and his soldiers, the Almighty says: ((45) So Allah protected him from the evils they plotted, and the people of Pharaoh were enveloped by the worst of punishment * fire offer by noon a day and evening and admitted to the time of Pharaoh the most torment) [forgiving: 45-46]. The next day and evening, particularly this world, and the torment of the Hereafter, either permanent or permanent Naim. Therefore, the Pharaoh's offering to the fire in the morning and evening, is not this a form of punishment in the grave?

Verses prove torment the moment of death
There are verses confirm that the torment begins from the moment of death, since the angels die This is the infidel, and therefore God says: ((50) And if you could but see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved ... They are striking their faces and their backs and [saying], "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire. Add new comment) [Anfal: 50]. and here we find that the angels of death who caught the spirit of this infidel may beat him and tortured him and then say to him: (and Taste the torment of the fire) any punishment of the grave and the torment of the Hereafter.
The angels of death come to the infidel  form a painful and this kind of torment before the torment of the grave, so God says: ((27) Then how [will it be] when the angels take them in death, striking their faces and their backs) [Mohammad : 27].
There is a verse confirms that the infidel see torment the moment of death, therefore, request the Lord to bring him back to this world, so God says: ((99) [For such is the state of the disbelievers], until, when death comes to one of them, he says, " My Lord, send me bac

(100) That I might do righteousness in that which I left behind. "No! It is only a word he is saying; and behind them is a barrier until the Day they are resurrected) [Believers: 99-100], and the question: Why ask the infidels refer to the minimum? when they see the torment, of course, know the truth, and they know that God is right, and that the torment of the Fire became a reality, so asking to return to this world to do good works, but it is impossible. ...
If the phenomenon of death go unnoticed if asked why they return to this world?! Therefore, Allah says in the verse again: (10. And spend (in charity) of that with which We have provided you, before death comes to one of you and he says: "My Lord! If only You would give me respite for a little while (i.e. return to the worldly life), then I should give Sadaqah (i.e. Zakat) of my wealth , and be among the righteous [i.e. perform Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah)].

11. And Allah grants respite to none when his appointed time (death) comes. And Allah is All-Aware of what you do. ) [hypocrites: 10-11]. To be sure, death is not a picnic or stage of sleep where the rights or lose consciousness! It is the stage of suffering or Naim, so always ask the infidel to return to this world because he sees suffering from the moment of death, imagine what awaits him after death!
 
Verses confirm the infidel dialogue with the angels of punishment
There are verses confirm the existence of a dialogue between the infidel and the angels of punishment for the moment of death, and we find that the verses are always talking about punishment after death, for example Think of me this verse, Allah says: ((97) Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, "In what [condition] were you?" They will say, "We were oppressed in the land." The angels will say, "Was not the earth of All h spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein? "For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination.) [women: 97].

No one denies the punishment of the grave
The one who contemplates the verses of the Koran teaches that there is no verse in the Koran denies the punishment of the grave only one verse of a suspect on the other, the Almighty says: (52. They will say: "Woe to us! Who has raised us up from our place of sleep." (It will be said to them): "This is what the Most Beneficent (Allah) had promised, and the Messengers spoke truth!") [Yassin: 52], and the explanation is: that man in his grave tortures himself that tasted death, but the flesh is in the case of sleep, and when Allaah raises him from his grave, he realizes that the Day of Resurrection, right, and that the punishment will be the soul and body together and that God will replace his skin as maturity, as the Almighty said: ((56) Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, All h is ever Exalted in Might and Wise) [women: 56].
   
Hard Qur'anic and logical that the grave is either the gardens of Paradise, or piece of fire, and say both deny the punishment of the grave, if not convinced by these verses clear this is your problem, not the problem of the Qur'an, Qur'an which explains everything, but only to look and ponder and reflect on.
Talk show torment of the grave
There are dozens of conversations correct and that do not only arrogant confirm the torment of the grave, and even ordered to seek refuge from the torment of the grave, it was narrated from Abu Hurayrah, may Allah be pleased with him that the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him said: (If you completed one of you tashahhud others seek refuge with Allah from four of the torment Hell, the torment of the grave and the trials of life and death and evil of the Antichrist) [Narrated by Muslim] ... There is much talk confirms that the infidel tortured in his grave, and the believer enjoys in his grave.
We say: If the infidel who has committed sins and immorality and injustice of the people and eat the rights of others ... If this does not punish the infidel in his grave, Will is in flight entertainment, even the time? We also say that the body of the infidel wear out and exhausted, but the soul is tormented, but the same insured  to the Creator to enjoy and is preparing to enter the Paradise on the Day of Resurrection, and the Almighty said: ((27) [To the righteous it will be said], "O reassured soul
(28) Return to your Lord, well-pleased and pleasing [to Him]
(29) And enter among My [righteous] servant * and go in Committees) [Fajr: 27-30].

Finally
I say, my brothers and sisters,. In the book of God many of the verses is not absorbed by the human mind, like the miracles of the prophets ... May Allah (SWT) to Prophet Solomon peace be upon the jinn and devils and the wind carried his command ... And split the moon to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him ... And Allaah saved Abraham peace be upon him from the fire and the law of combustion malfunction ...
All of this can not be explained by the laws of physics and the universe, but we as Muslims are seeing that everything that came in the Book of Allah and the Messenger of Allah is true is the truth, and the human mind is very limited. The denial of some of the conversations the right leads to the denial of some verses of the Koran on the grounds that they violate the mind ... The Glory of God, if some Western scientists atheists say that we do not discover the secrets of the universe is very little, what do not we should we Muslims have to respect the hadeeth of the Messenger of God peace be upon him, and say, as he says: (85. And they ask you (O Muhammad) concerning the Ruh (the Spirit); Say: "The Ruh (the Spirit): it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.") Isra: 85].

Agnostics, especially Atheists, do not have the problem of wallowing in nonsense. The above is just religious BS.

The Christians confronted with Islamic BS will conclude that it's Islamic BS.

The Muslims confronted with Christian BS will conclude that it's Christian BS.
Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Darth Fife on January 09, 2013, 06:28:50 PM
Quote from: eninn on September 01, 2012, 05:01:53 AM
Why do you punish women, treat them like chattel, why do you force them to cover their face, why can't they drive?
And you expect us to listen to the words of a pedophile?

Unfortunately

In America
Cases of rape
Of a woman or girl
Every
6 minutes


USA has one of the highest rates of rape

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to an FBI report, in the year 1990, everyday on an average 1756 rapes were committed in USA alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got 'bolder' in the following years.


In Islamic countries
Delinquent
Known in the inside that veiled Muslim women beautiful more than a woman dressed in scandalous

And wishes to see any part of her
Candy-covered
  Take hearts
  More than a Stripper

Rate of rape in Muslim countries, very few

Rate of rape in western countries is very high





Twisting and turning and distance from the truth


     -Mixing in the sense that we see today

     Hands and arms of peace and kisses between the sexes
     Dating and in and out at night

     - This is the truth can not deny.
     Boys and girls living together
     Without a legitimate marriage and the children of illegal
     This is the basis of Western society



     -Western talk of women's liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have 'uplifted' women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of 'art' and 'culture'.

When women don't have the right to refuse, of course "rape" will be "rare". In the animal kingdom "rape" doesn't exist at all! If the female of a species can't out run or overpower her "suitor" she has no choice but to submit.

Title: Re: Do you punish or reward to the human in the grave?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 26, 2020, 11:11:45 AM
Quote from: enninIn America
Cases of rape
Of a woman or girl
Every
6 minutes

Well it ISN"T LEGAL HERE, ditwad.   and secondly.   It's Democrats DOIN IT!