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Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You
« on: February 07, 2013, 05:32:45 AM »
Matthew 7:12

A command based on words of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount: “All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.” The Mosaic law contains a parallel commandment: “Whatever is hurtful to you, do not do to any other person.”




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Re: Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 04:44:25 PM »
So what is your point? Do you think some would argue with that?

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2013, 01:49:03 PM »
We have been told to treat our neighbors and we would outselves.  The problem arises when we start picking our neighbors.  We select who we will treat fairly and exclude others.  When I do that I am not obey Gods will for me.
The Golden Rule is the only rule we need.

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2013, 06:11:37 PM »
My point is to make me and others remember we should love the Lord our God with all our heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind and never forget that this is the first and great commandment.

Treating other people the way you would want to be treated is a great moral principle that everyone should [be able to] live by. But unless everyone abides by it, nobody can in every situation--it is downright impractical. How is a judge supposed to sentence a criminal to prison living by this principle? How is a professor supposed to give any student a grade lower than an "A" on any assignment?

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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2013, 05:33:20 AM »
Treating other people the way you would want to be treated is a great moral principle that everyone should [be able to] live by. But unless everyone abides by it, nobody can in every situation--it is downright impractical. How is a judge supposed to sentence a criminal to prison living by this principle? How is a professor supposed to give any student a grade lower than an "A" on any assignment?

Easy.  It's called honesty.  In order to live this way, you must be able to put yourself in the shoes of the other person.  A good professor does not assume that ever student would write the same paper ad he, but asks if I wrote this pape, how would I have wanted to be graded?  The same with a judge, a judge has to ask how he would want to be judged if he committed the crime he is judging.

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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2013, 09:29:38 AM »
Easy.  It's called honesty.  In order to live this way, you must be able to put yourself in the shoes of the other person.  A good professor does not assume that ever student would write the same paper ad he, but asks if I wrote this pape, how would I have wanted to be graded?  The same with a judge, a judge has to ask how he would want to be judged if he committed the crime he is judging.

But the problem is that if the judge committed the crime, he would want to be adjudicated as not guilty and set free. Nobody in their right mind wants to go to prison even if they know that is what they deserve.

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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2013, 10:10:36 AM »
But the problem is that if the judge committed the crime, he would want to be adjudicated as not guilty and set free. Nobody in their right mind wants to go to prison even if they know that is what they deserve.
So law plays no part in his decision? You do realize we have minimum sentencing laws, right?
So regardless of his personal belief system, he is still obligated under the law to lay down a sentence delegated by jurisprudence.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2013, 10:43:01 AM »
So law plays no part in his decision? You do realize we have minimum sentencing laws, right?
So regardless of his personal belief system, he is still obligated under the law to lay down a sentence delegated by jurisprudence.

Some statutes do indeed specify a minimum and/or maximum sentence for a person convicted of a given crime. Of course a judge should always base his decision on the law. But my point was that the judge would not be dispensing justice or, in some cases, abiding by sentencing statutes, if he followed the golden rule when sentencing criminals.

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2013, 04:31:20 PM »
Treating other people the way you would want to be treated is a great moral principle that everyone should [be able to] live by. But unless everyone abides by it, nobody can in every situation--it is downright impractical. How is a judge supposed to sentence a criminal to prison living by this principle? How is a professor supposed to give any student a grade lower than an "A" on any assignment?


The "golden rule" doesn't apply to States. It is for INDIVIDUALS.  There was an excellent article in Wake Up! magazine, years ago called "No State Right to Forgive."  When someone violates the rights of others, there MUST be consequences. "Mercy" can have a part in justice, but it is not the same as the Golden Rule.

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The State function is to exercise its powers of restraint, its function is
negative. It is the Church which has the positive office of reform through
instruction in the keeping of the Divine Law. The responsibilities of the
two powers are clearly defined. The State has no more ability to reform
sinners that the Church has to apprehend thieves. When the State
abandons its limited function of punishing evil and takes upon itself the
responsibility for reforming criminals it becomes derelict in its Divinely
ordained duty and can only end up by doing neither effectively.

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2013, 08:30:12 PM »
Some statutes do indeed specify a minimum and/or maximum sentence for a person convicted of a given crime. Of course a judge should always base his decision on the law. But my point was that the judge would not be dispensing justice or, in some cases, abiding by sentencing statutes, if he followed the golden rule when sentencing criminals.
I'm not sure whether you're trying to convince me, or yourself that the golden rule is bad.
This has to be the silliest stance I've ever seen taken, it's like claiming that people who believe in the rule, should never fight back against tyranny.

I believe in the Golder rule, but like most, I will treat you no better than you treat me.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, and expect retaliation.
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2013, 04:43:51 AM »
Here's something similiar that is often misunderstood.

http://www.cfirecm.com/QandA/Judge%20Not%20Lest%20Ye%20Be%20Judged.htm

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2013, 06:09:26 AM »
Here's something similiar that is often misunderstood.

http://www.cfirecm.com/QandA/Judge%20Not%20Lest%20Ye%20Be%20Judged.htm


This is good. I was going to post on this topic in a separate thread.  People try to use this scripture to silence me for criticizing DOCTRINE some believe in such as "Heaven as the reward of the saved", the belief in an immortal soul, Sunday as a sanctified day etc....

Beyond what the article said (100% correct as far as it went), what Yeshua was REALLY saying, was better translated CONDEMN NOT (as in don't judge that Chavez. or Hitler is burning in Hell), Lest YOU be condemned by your Creator by the same standard.

We are to JUDGE right & wrong, good& evil, but we must not decide for ourselves another human being's ULTIMATE fate. As the saying goes, God isn't finished with me (or you) yet--even unto the first death.

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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2013, 06:37:35 AM »
This is good. I was going to post on this topic in a separate thread.  People try to use this scripture to silence me for criticizing DOCTRINE some believe in such as "Heaven as the reward of the saved", the belief in an immortal soul, Sunday as a sanctified day etc....

Beyond what the article said (100% correct as far as it went), what Yeshua was REALLY saying, was better translated CONDEMN NOT (as in don't judge that Chavez. or Hitler is burning in Hell), Lest YOU be condemned by your Creator by the same standard.

We are to JUDGE right & wrong, good& evil, but we must not decide for ourselves another human being's ULTIMATE fate. As the saying goes, God isn't finished with me (or you) yet--even unto the first death.

We shouldn't confuse open disagreement, (or even the occasional argument), with judgement; nor should any of us attempt to completely shut out opposing opinions. All of us believe we are "right" on certain issues; believing we are right, doesn't necessarily make it so. :wink:

Yes, judging a person and their actions, is different from passing judgement on people; that is ultimately between them and God. Although, even that isn't entirely true. We have man's laws that meet out justice on certain individuals, and it ranges from fines, to imprisonment, to the death penalty. Without these laws, society would spin out of control.

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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2013, 02:48:47 PM »
I'm not sure whether you're trying to convince me, or yourself that the golden rule is bad.
This has to be the silliest stance I've ever seen taken, it's like claiming that people who believe in the rule, should never fight back against tyranny.

I believe in the Golder rule, but like most, I will treat you no better than you treat me.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, and expect retaliation.

I'm not trying to convince you that the Golden Rule is bad. I'm merely pointing out how imperfect it is. Ideally, we should be able to come up with one intuitive moral rule that always applies and does not leave any immoral conduct ungoverned.

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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2013, 02:55:02 PM »
I'm not trying to convince you that the Golden Rule is bad. I'm merely pointing out how imperfect it is. Ideally, we should be able to come up with one intuitive moral rule that always applies and does not leave any immoral conduct ungoverned.
Moral relativism is what you're suggesting, and once society collapses, morals have collapsed as well.

That's why the Golden Rule has stood the test of time, it's also why I know if I say hello to someone, I can expect the same courtesy in return.
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