Did You Know The Bible Is A Religion? I Didn't

Started by Solar, December 13, 2014, 12:49:21 PM

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Solar

Apparently this idiot actually believes there is a clause in the Bill of Rights stating a separation of Church and State.
For the uninformed lib out there, here is the actual wording.

"The First Amendment :
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Major Christian WIN After PC Whiners Complain About Bible Handout In School
IN FAITH, NEWS / BY ROBERT RICH / ON DECEMBER 12, 2014 AT 1:47 PM /
Christians seem to be banding together in the most astounding of ways after facing a grueling Christmas season last year. Those within the Cartersville, Georgia community recently stuck it to one mother who said that the Bible handout at her son's school was inappropriate.

Needless to say, the Christians of the community came out strong with the overall gist of the message being "you're out numbered here."

It all started when Jessica Greene's son came home with a Bible. After asking him where he got it, she was told that the school had allowed Gideons International to hand them out to anyone that wanted one. According to Raw Story:

Greene's son, Leo Butler, said his teacher told the class that the evangelical group had volunteered to distribute Bibles, and the students formed a line in the library.

Before heading down to the library, students were told that if they would like a Bible they could pass through the line in which they were handing them out. Those that didn't want one were told they could simply walk on by the table and on their way.

This, however, wasn't good enough for Greene, as she later explained in an interview with WXIA-TV, "I was just shocked the school system would do that. I tried to contact the superintendent, but he has not returned my calls."

Surprisingly, Greene is a self-described Christian. Her problem not with the Bibles, but that they were allowed to be passed out in a school. The school did eventually address the concerns in a public Facebook post.

According to the school:

"The Gideons are permitted to offer Bibles to students who wish to pick them up. It is strictly voluntary and the library was the location where students could pick one up; (our) librarian did not give them out. We appreciate your input. If you have further concerns, please contact administration during school hours. Thank you!"

In quite the unified stand, Christians came out to speak their opinion where many comments to the post read, "I stand by Cloverleaf." Perhaps the most astounding response was from one user who wrote, "You're outnumbered here."

http://madworldnews.com/major-christian-win-pc-whiners/
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Quote from: Solar on December 13, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
Apparently this idiot actually believes there is a clause in the Bill of Rights stating a separation of Church and State.
For the uninformed lib out there, here is the actual wording.

"The First Amendment :
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Major Christian WIN After PC Whiners Complain About Bible Handout In School
IN FAITH, NEWS / BY ROBERT RICH / ON DECEMBER 12, 2014 AT 1:47 PM /
Christians seem to be banding together in the most astounding of ways after facing a grueling Christmas season last year. Those within the Cartersville, Georgia community recently stuck it to one mother who said that the Bible handout at her son's school was inappropriate.

Needless to say, the Christians of the community came out strong with the overall gist of the message being "you're out numbered here."

It all started when Jessica Greene's son came home with a Bible. After asking him where he got it, she was told that the school had allowed Gideons International to hand them out to anyone that wanted one. According to Raw Story:

Greene's son, Leo Butler, said his teacher told the class that the evangelical group had volunteered to distribute Bibles, and the students formed a line in the library.

Before heading down to the library, students were told that if they would like a Bible they could pass through the line in which they were handing them out. Those that didn't want one were told they could simply walk on by the table and on their way.

This, however, wasn't good enough for Greene, as she later explained in an interview with WXIA-TV, "I was just shocked the school system would do that. I tried to contact the superintendent, but he has not returned my calls."

Surprisingly, Greene is a self-described Christian. Her problem not with the Bibles, but that they were allowed to be passed out in a school. The school did eventually address the concerns in a public Facebook post.

According to the school:

"The Gideons are permitted to offer Bibles to students who wish to pick them up. It is strictly voluntary and the library was the location where students could pick one up; (our) librarian did not give them out. We appreciate your input. If you have further concerns, please contact administration during school hours. Thank you!"

In quite the unified stand, Christians came out to speak their opinion where many comments to the post read, "I stand by Cloverleaf." Perhaps the most astounding response was from one user who wrote, "You're outnumbered here."

http://madworldnews.com/major-christian-win-pc-whiners/

And this is one example of why the dems have lost the South.
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Quote from: Solar on December 13, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
Apparently this idiot actually believes there is a clause in the Bill of Rights stating a separation of Church and State.
For the uninformed lib out there, here is the actual wording.

"The First Amendment :
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Major Christian WIN After PC Whiners Complain About Bible Handout In School
IN FAITH, NEWS / BY ROBERT RICH / ON DECEMBER 12, 2014 AT 1:47 PM /
Christians seem to be banding together in the most astounding of ways after facing a grueling Christmas season last year. Those within the Cartersville, Georgia community recently stuck it to one mother who said that the Bible handout at her son's school was inappropriate.

Needless to say, the Christians of the community came out strong with the overall gist of the message being "you're out numbered here."

It all started when Jessica Greene's son came home with a Bible. After asking him where he got it, she was told that the school had allowed Gideons International to hand them out to anyone that wanted one. According to Raw Story:

Greene's son, Leo Butler, said his teacher told the class that the evangelical group had volunteered to distribute Bibles, and the students formed a line in the library.

Before heading down to the library, students were told that if they would like a Bible they could pass through the line in which they were handing them out. Those that didn't want one were told they could simply walk on by the table and on their way.

This, however, wasn't good enough for Greene, as she later explained in an interview with WXIA-TV, "I was just shocked the school system would do that. I tried to contact the superintendent, but he has not returned my calls."

Surprisingly, Greene is a self-described Christian. Her problem not with the Bibles, but that they were allowed to be passed out in a school. The school did eventually address the concerns in a public Facebook post.

According to the school:

"The Gideons are permitted to offer Bibles to students who wish to pick them up. It is strictly voluntary and the library was the location where students could pick one up; (our) librarian did not give them out. We appreciate your input. If you have further concerns, please contact administration during school hours. Thank you!"

In quite the unified stand, Christians came out to speak their opinion where many comments to the post read, "I stand by Cloverleaf." Perhaps the most astounding response was from one user who wrote, "You're outnumbered here."

http://madworldnews.com/major-christian-win-pc-whiners/

My first and second grade teachers both were public school teachers and devout Christians. We pledged our allegiance to the flag of the USA every morning. We said a short prayer every morning. We heard a few bible verses every morning -- all before the business of learning began. Obviously, such practices were prohibited right about the time I was in grade school. It was the time of Madalyn Murray O'Hair and other like-minded atheists who screamed and hollered that the First Amendment said what it did not say -- that there is a constitutional separation between church and state.

The First Amendment attempts to describe one of the fundamental building blocks of the United States -- the absence of a state-sanctioned religion a la the Church of England, or in the case of mainland Europe, the Catholic church in France, Spain, Portugal, and other places. To read the First Amendment as saying that the United States was not founded on the principles of any religion is sheer idiocy. To fail to recognize that the United States was founded specifically on Christian principles is a sure indication that your head is up your ass. There's simply no argument otherwise to be made.

All that being said, I have to agree with the mom -- the Holy Bible, no matter what version, is not something that should be passed out in the public schools. She was not objecting to the principles of Christianity. (She bought her son a bible of her choice and gave it to him as a replacement for the Gideon bible he had gotten at school.) She was objecting to the idea of the state-funded school providing religious literature. I agree with that. No state-funded school should be passing out -- or allowing to be passed out on their grounds -- any religious literature whatsoever.

It is simply not the business of the public schools -- or any other part of government -- to disseminate religious teachings or literature, or to accommodate that dissemination at public expense, or on public grounds.

These days it's not difficult to imagine a similar scenario where the Holy Qu'ran is handed out for free at a public school. Why not the Torah? Perhaps the Book of Mormon? The teachings of Confucius?

These things are all viable in their own ways, but I don't think they ought to be passed out in the public schools. Having them all (and more) in the school library is one thing. Passing them out like candy -- government sponsored candy -- is another altogether.
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Solar

Quote from: TboneAgain on December 13, 2014, 08:16:40 PM
My first and second grade teachers both were public school teachers and devout Christians. We pledged our allegiance to the flag of the USA every morning. We said a short prayer every morning. We heard a few bible verses every morning -- all before the business of learning began. Obviously, such practices were prohibited right about the time I was in grade school. It was the time of Madalyn Murray O'Hair and other like-minded atheists who screamed and hollered that the First Amendment said what it did not say -- that there is a constitutional separation between church and state.

The First Amendment attempts to describe one of the fundamental building blocks of the United States -- the absence of a state-sanctioned religion a la the Church of England, or in the case of mainland Europe, the Catholic church in France, Spain, Portugal, and other places. To read the First Amendment as saying that the United States was not founded on the principles of any religion is sheer idiocy. To fail to recognize that the United States was founded specifically on Christian principles is a sure indication that your head is up your ass. There's simply no argument otherwise to be made.

All that being said, I have to agree with the mom -- the Holy Bible, no matter what version, is not something that should be passed out in the public schools. She was not objecting to the principles of Christianity. (She bought her son a bible of her choice and gave it to him as a replacement for the Gideon bible he had gotten at school.) She was objecting to the idea of the state-funded school providing religious literature. I agree with that. No state-funded school should be passing out -- or allowing to be passed out on their grounds -- any religious literature whatsoever.

It is simply not the business of the public schools -- or any other part of government -- to disseminate religious teachings or literature, or to accommodate that dissemination at public expense, or on public grounds.

These days it's not difficult to imagine a similar scenario where the Holy Qu'ran is handed out for free at a public school. Why not the Torah? Perhaps the Book of Mormon? The teachings of Confucius?

These things are all viable in their own ways, but I don't think they ought to be passed out in the public schools. Having them all (and more) in the school library is one thing. Passing them out like candy -- government sponsored candy -- is another altogether.
I have to disagree on the basis, that the Bible is not in and of itself a religion.
Religious sects are the ones that use it as a tool for religious practice, but the Bible by itself is not a religion, it's merely a history book with parables.
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Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2014, 08:30:19 AM
I have to disagree on the basis, that the Bible is not in and of itself a religion.
Religious sects are the ones that use it as a tool for religious practice, but the Bible by itself is not a religion, it's merely a history book with parables.

Of course the Bible isn't a religion. I didn't say it was. Neither are any of the other holy texts I mentioned. That's not my point.

My point is that I think the public schools are not the place for disseminating religious literature. (Your description of the Holy Bible as a history book is a tad ingenuous. It's like saying Mein Kampf didn't advocate any particular political party.) Again, it's one thing to have such texts available in the school library. But it's another thing altogether to pass out copies -- or to allow someone access to the grounds to pass out copies -- of any particular religious text. There's just no way to do that in a public school setting without giving the appearance of favoring one religion over others.

My sister's kids -- all TWELVE of them (!? :scared:) -- were home schooled. All of them were well-taught (my sister has an education degree from Marshall University) and all of them are thoroughly grounded in the faith the family prefers. In my view, that's great; there's nothing at all wrong with that. My ex-wife is Catholic and she sent her girls through the local Catholic school system -- plaid skirts and white blouses and all. They got a thorough education, plus a grounding in the religion of the family. I have no problem with that.

But in both cases, there was never any pretense of "taking all comers," as is the case with public schools. And in both cases, the education of the kids was privately funded. When you go to a Catholic school, you know in advance, and fully expect that you will be educated about the Catholic religion. When you go to class at my sister's house, you better believe that you're going to get healthy doses of her particular brand of Christianity. But when you go to a public government-funded school, I think you should expect ZERO in the way of religious education.

And, I think, that includes the passing out of Bibles.
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Solar

Quote from: TboneAgain on December 14, 2014, 09:22:30 AM
Of course the Bible isn't a religion. I didn't say it was. Neither are any of the other holy texts I mentioned. That's not my point.
It was mine though.
QuoteMy point is that I think the public schools are not the place for disseminating religious literature.
Wait, you just stated it wasn't in the quote above. :biggrin:
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