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Re: Cheerful Giver and Hell
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2018, 02:12:39 PM »
That explains a lot.


 :lol:  He this way if he on of off meds.  Just a lazy ass lib looking for a hand out.  Who now questions God.   :lol:  He putting government right up there with God, being that the government give him FREE hand out. 
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Re: Cheerful Giver and Hell
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2018, 07:58:38 PM »
This is just silly. Stop over thinking shit that has no answers. I can't demand God come down and set you straight, no more than I make govt bend to my will, simply because both are collectives, but one gives you life, while the other forces your life to behave a certain way.
So ask yourself, whose the better entity, God or Govt? Most sane people choose God, while liberals choose govt.

You're fucking kidding me right?

If I don't do what gov't says I will receive negative consequences like going to prison, fines, etc.  In North Korea, I would end up in a labor camp or executed.

If I don't do what God says I will burn in hell for eternity in the lake of fire.

What in the given fuck?  How is God better then gov't when he claims to love a cheerful giver but ever lasting hellfire is for those who don't comply? 

You hate gov't b/c of this yet you love God in spite of doing the same things? :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:

 

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Re: Cheerful Giver and Hell
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2018, 12:46:54 AM »
In other words, God is the definer of what is good and evil then which he can change at any time.  Which means, good and evil are arbitrary.  If good and evil are arbitrary to what God says it is then how can one define that God is good?  How is that logically possible?

Yes, I was also upset about these questions, but the answer is, God is the life, God is the truth, and no one else, and nothing else, without God there is no life, that is why we say God is good.

Human definition of what is good or bad differs from God's definition of what is good or bad. For example, a man would probably think of good as having a happy life, while God as the Creator may have different plans for that man and what is good for him, so from God's perspective it could be better for that man to suffer than to be happy.

No one has answered this question.  How can anyone truthfully be a cheerful giver under the threats of hell if one does not choose to give.  It is sort of like a Mafia protection racket in which a person is forced under the threat of the mafia to pay them protection money so they don't break my knuckles or kill me.

How can one truthfully be cheerful about giving under the threat of violence whether it is from a man, the government or God?  So, how can God want a cheerful giver under the threat of punitive punishments if one doesn't follow his arbitrary and capricious commands.   How is God good exactly?  What makes him good?

You still can't realize that God is our Creator, and we are his Creation, he has given us our lives in the first place, he is the one to be praised for we live at all. That is the first thing to be cheerful for. He, our Creator, wants us to love him and to love our neighbors, but he has given us free will, so that we can choose whether to honestly love him and our neighbors, or not, but also to take consequences for our choice. And taking consequences for our choice is not a threat, because free will and liberty equals responsibility. We are responsible for our actions, and we are receiving reward or punishment accordingly by God's grace.
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Re: Cheerful Giver and Hell
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2018, 10:25:35 AM »
Yes, I was also upset about these questions, but the answer is, God is the life, God is the truth, and no one else, and nothing else, without God there is no life, that is why we say God is good.

Human definition of what is good or bad differs from God's definition of what is good or bad. For example, a man would probably think of good as having a happy life, while God as the Creator may have different plans for that man and what is good for him, so from God's perspective it could be better for that man to suffer than to be happy.

You still can't realize that God is our Creator, and we are his Creation, he has given us our lives in the first place, he is the one to be praised for we live at all. That is the first thing to be cheerful for. He, our Creator, wants us to love him and to love our neighbors, but he has given us free will, so that we can choose whether to honestly love him and our neighbors, or not, but also to take consequences for our choice. And taking consequences for our choice is not a threat, because free will and liberty equals responsibility. We are responsible for our actions, and we are receiving reward or punishment accordingly by God's grace.

A robber comes up behind me, points a gun to my head and demands my money.  In that instance I have choice.  I give him the money or I do not.  Both choices have their consequences.  If I give him the money, he takes it and runs away.  If I do not he shoots me.  Let's say I make the choice to refuse.  He shoots me.  I'm dead.  I chose the consequence.  I'm responsible for my actions.  I sent myself to my death by my choice. 

God loves a cheerful giver supposedly.  If I choose to give and do what what he wants which includes accepting Jesus as my lord and savior then I'm saved.  If I choose not to do so then God metaphorically shoots me in the back of the head in his way.  I chose the consequence.  I'm responsible for my choice.  I sent myself to hell by my choice.   How can one cheerfully give under coercion?  Under the robber scenario I'm forced to give him my money.  Even with socialism you all say that one is forced by government to give to others?  How is this not the same thing?

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Re: Cheerful Giver and Hell
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2018, 10:28:53 AM »
Let me ask another question about the creation story.  If incest is immoral then how did people get from Adam and Eve to the time of Noah and how did we get from Noah to right now without incest?  How were the people able to keep to God's commands exactly?

 

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