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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2019, 06:19:26 AM »
I think it's good the priest did this. A lot of Catholic churches have been positioned by the sitting pope, and have allowed for a conflation between what was once considered to be sin and what is not sin. I work for a church doing event coordination and so forth. To see how this church embraces LGBTQ+ communities and actually supports topics such as a abortion is a rude awakening for me. I may not be the most religious person, but seeing that has really made me consider what is is some of these fait institutions are doing.
jmho, I see too many instances of churches thinking as the rinos did. It is as if they believe that if they embrace or accept the lsm views, the liberals will accept them. What I do not think they understand, liberals will never get over their hate for the church or the conservative. Abortion is not a viewpoint, it is pure evil. The church will gain nothing by accepting evil.

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2019, 06:24:03 AM »
jmho, I see too many instances of churches thinking as the rinos did. It is as if they believe that if they embrace or accept the lsm views, the liberals will accept them. What I do not think they understand, liberals will never get over their hate for the church or the conservative. Abortion is not a viewpoint, it is pure evil. The church will gain nothing by accepting evil.

Exactly. For an institution that has set moral fabric for years to say something like that is pure insanity. Liberals do hate the church unless they can turn it into a vessel for their ideology, such as the one I work for. Almost to the point where it does not even register as a church anymore, its the religion of leftism.

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2019, 04:31:40 PM »
Exactly. For an institution that has set moral fabric for years to say something like that is pure insanity. Liberals do hate the church unless they can turn it into a vessel for their ideology, such as the one I work for. Almost to the point where it does not even register as a church anymore, its the religion of leftism.

What the Catholic Church does not understand is people want the Religion of CHRIST = unadulterated.

No add-ons, no nonsense. No modern hypocrisy.

A simple Church based on ageless Tenets.

And no, it is not Political to condemn Joe Biden's SINS.

Just condemn the sins of Republicans and Libertarians as well, And there are plenty.

Anyhow, this shit about prohibiting Churches to be Political is wrong, anyhow.

The Pope himself could hardly be more of a partisan hack.

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2019, 01:21:29 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/28/joe-biden-denied-communion-at-south-carolina-church-over-abortion-stance/

Ok, this is not about religion. It's not even about abortion. It's about respect and hypocrisy.

FACT: The Catholic Church believes Abortion is Murder. It is a very serious sin.

FACT:  Father Robert E. Morey is a Catholic priest. It is his duty to guide Catholics towards Jesus.

FACT: Joe Biden publicly encourages women to have Abortions. In the Catholic Church, this is a call to sin. Mortal sin. That will damn the women to an eternity in Hell.

FACT: Joe Biden publicly identifies himself as Catholic. To cynically gather the votes of Catholics.

MY CONCLUSION: For a priest to publicly administer the most holy Sacrament of Communion, to a man who is urging women to commit most serious sin, would be confirming that Joe Biden deserves this special honor. It would be ENABLING murder. It would be a SIN for this Priest to ignore the obvious and pretend all is ok with Joe Biden. That not only Biden, but any Catholic, can support Abortion and there will be no consequences.

It's not about theft, or corruption. These are also sins, but lesser ones, I submit. The priest could deny Communion for these lesser sins, but that would trivialize the statement of denying Communion.

Sadly, I have little faith in the present Catholic Hierarchy. I would actually be surprised if Father Robert E. Morey is not PUNISHED.

I hope I am wrong.

Ya he really should be excommunicated. The church prescribes a way of doing it where you talk to the guy and give him amble opportunity to change.
Also communion is supposed to be self regulating in the sense that a christian should examine themselves before taking it. Not that they are free from sin but the opposite. That they acknowledge their sin and seek forgivness.

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2019, 01:24:58 AM »
Well, Martin Luther represented the views of many Catholic Priests when he eventually committed heresy and nailed his " 95 Thesis" outlining grievances against the Catholic Church's wrongful actions and/or inactions, on the door of the Wittenberg Cathedral. One could hope that this Pope and the Catholic hierarchy decides to take a strong stand against Catholic politicians who are in favor of abortion!  Martin Luther was not punished because far too many Catholics, including Priests, agreed with him.

Pelosi ought to be next!

I really dont mean to nitpick but...well I'm gonna anyway   :biggrin:
After making waves they tried to kill ol martin. His friend actually pretended to be a bandit and kidnapped martin on the road while traveling and took him to his castle. He had to hide at wartburg castle for over a year I believe. That is when he translated the bible into the language of the common man.

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2019, 01:28:34 AM »
I'm not Catholic, but my wife is.  Her mom is very Catholic and doesn't question what the Pope and the hierarchy do or fail to do.  My wife, is a bit troubled by her family's church's dogma.  I guess that's way she married one of the Black Sheep...Baaa!  ( What the Catholic Church needs is a Good Reformation! )

My dad was raised catholic and my gma and cousins still are. We Lutherans have been complaining about catholic dogma for centuries! They have always been far to connected to power, and have always pushed sort of a "works righteousness" were you only get to heaven if you earn it by being better than everyone else.

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2019, 02:01:19 AM »
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I didn't know one had to be completly free of sin before receiving the communion. And its not like they check if you didn't ate or drink and hour before it.

You dont have to be sinless as the only human to ever be sinless was and is Jesus.

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I certaintly never confessed before receiving it.

You dont need to confess before someone else. You need to confess to yourself and God and ask for his forgivness. Ask and it will be given to you.

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I believe in some laws that run contrary to christian dogmatics, never been held from communion for that reason.

Then either your church didnt know your position or they arent doing their job.

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Belgium is catholic and allows things like euthanasia and abortion and its not like our politicians get that much flak from the church but they wouldn't dare because in Belgium the catcholic church gets some serious funds from the state. Indeed for a while we were very hopefull that one of our more progressive archbishops would become the pope someday.

Yes the catholic church has a history of corruption and connections to power. Even after the reformation they support authoritarianism and totalitarianism (aka leftism). There are alot of 'christian socialists' in europe.

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This seems to have far more of a political purpose. The christian church as a whole could have condemned abortion (which they do) or the country's/political party's that support it way earlier (which they usually don't do). The timing of this makes me think some priest or church received a lot of money.

The church has always been against the murder of babies.

Why would you think the priest took money to harm biden? Conservatives never pull stuff like that. Corrupt people see corruption everywhere.

You have a very pop view of christianity. One corrupted by leftism, not based on reality.


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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2019, 02:25:17 AM »
I'm no expert on sin but I can tell the differece between the venial sins that we all commit everyday like those little white lies about how you are out when a annoying associate calls and the big Mortal sin type lies that Joe Biden tells that negatively impact every Man woman and child in our Country and have done us all harm. Coupled with all the other crimes he's admitted to and even brags about I'd say he shouldn't even be allowed to set foot in a church and don't touch the holy water as it might burn his withered old ass.

Then there is the "Big One" which is murder or facilitating or suborning Murder of the unborn, which goes so far that the mainacs that control my State of virginia want to allow or dare I say encourage, even if the newborn is drawing a breath during a failed abortion.

Govt funded abortion and Planned Parenthood with its ghoul like harvesting ad selling of baby parts is the flagship of the Dem party

The difference between an athiest and a christian is that even tho both commit these 'everyday sins' the christian still feels guilt and shame for them and wishes he could be perfect, if only out of a sense of love and gratitude to jesus for saving us, much less God for creating us.

 The christian will repent for all sins and seek forgiveness, which then melts the guilt and shame away. This in turn leads to better actions in life. The faith comes first then action, whereas some Catholics seem to say the action is done to earn the faith.

Attitude matters more than action because the attitude leads to action. Your dont try to be good in order to earn forgivness, you are forgiven and therefore you try to be good. "We love because he first loved us".



Leftists HATE this whole concept because it seems wildly unfair to them. To a leftist you MUST follow any moral code you hold to PERFECTLY or you shouldn't hold it at all. That is exactly how they treat their own in regards to leftist morality like climate change and racism. One sin and your gone, unless of course you are useful to them in a position of power. This notion of rigidly obeying a moral code or else your punished is the core of the LAW,  as opposed to the GOSPEL which I wrote about above. Leftists who reject the need for a savior are effectively opting to be judged under the LAW instead of the GOSPEL. No human besides Jesus has ever kept the Law perfectly to earn heaven.
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
"the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life"
"who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God who delivers us through Jesus Christ our Lord"

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2019, 02:34:07 AM »
Well, yes.

Still, although I don't know other faiths as well as I would like to (religion fascinates me), I do know that Catholics traditionally have placed a lot of emphasis on the SEVERITY of a Sin.

There are Venial (minor) Sins, and Mortal (major) Sins.

Without giving endless examples, let us simply agree that Murdering a Baby is one of the bad sins. Really bad sins.

I was raised Catholic, but attend Mass these days only for Weddings and Funerals.

Enough of my faith remains that I would never dream of accepting Communion. I am a sinner, and accepting Communion would be like spitting in Jesus's face.

I respect myself and respect Him too much to engage in that petty hypocrisy.


But I'm not a Democrat.

That's perfectly fine from a doctrinal standpoint. Communion is an expression of forgivness, not a requirement for forgivness. No one would say your salvation requires communion to have been taken. Faith the size of a mustard seed(very small) is enough to save.

To put it mathematically,
Anything less than < 100% perfection=damnation (aka every human ever, besides jesus)
Yet anything greater than > 0% faith=saved from damnation (aka anyone with the slightest sliver of faith)

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2019, 02:37:26 AM »
What the Catholic Church does not understand is people want the Religion of CHRIST = unadulterated.

No add-ons, no nonsense
. No modern hypocrisy.

A simple Church based on ageless Tenets.

And no, it is not Political to condemn Joe Biden's SINS.

Just condemn the sins of Republicans and Libertarians as well, And there are plenty.

Anyhow, this shit about prohibiting Churches to be Political is wrong, anyhow.

The Pope himself could hardly be more of a partisan hack.

Exactly! That is what Martin Luther was saying. Christianity comes from Gods Word alone as the only authority, not the word of some sinful human.

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2019, 07:28:27 AM »
That's perfectly fine from a doctrinal standpoint. Communion is an expression of forgivness, not a requirement for forgivness. No one would say your salvation requires communion to have been taken. Faith the size of a mustard seed(very small) is enough to save.

To put it mathematically,
Anything less than < 100% perfection=damnation (aka every human ever, besides jesus)
Yet anything greater than > 0% faith=saved from damnation (aka anyone with the slightest sliver of faith)

That is reassuring.

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2019, 08:19:21 PM »
That is reassuring.

I agree. My father passed away one year ago and everytime the evil inside me trys to convince me that maybe he wasnt good enough to get to heaven I remember that I know he had at least some faith, and that's enough to save.

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2019, 08:06:57 PM »
I agree. My father passed away one year ago and everytime the evil inside me trys to convince me that maybe he wasnt good enough to get to heaven I remember that I know he had at least some faith, and that's enough to save.

I like to think that every human being has Original Sin, and is flawed. Still, all will get to Heaven - eventually.

But here is what is necessary:

God will weigh the good you have done - OF YOUR OWN FREE WILL - against the evil.

If your evil outweighs the good, the remedy is both simple and fair.

You will relive the evil you have done to others - then Heaven will be open.

Hopefully, my wait will be short - and Stalin's will be lengthy.

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2019, 01:01:28 PM »
Sadly, I have little faith in the present Catholic Hierarchy. I would actually be surprised if Father Robert E. Morey is not PUNISHED.

I hope I am wrong.

i don't think you are wrong...

Unfortunately, the Church is... just not really the Church anymore (is what I want to say)

Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church but he never said the gates of Hell would not VIRTUALLY prevail.

I love this priest. Too bad others are not like him... and yeh, he probably already has been punished by the strange pope in Rome

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Re: Catholic Priest DENIES Joe Biden the Sacrament of Communion
« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2019, 01:02:19 PM »
I believe Biden, Pelosi, and the like should be excommunicated if the Catholic Church was really serious.

But I'll settle for denying Communion.

I'm not a Catholic, but believe it has some good messages.

Messages that are meaningless if they publicly enable sinners.

the Church has become worldly

 

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