Can you accept that Man is greater than God?

[taxed]

Depends if it helps his cause at the moment, then yes, he'll support Darwin, only to turn around and claim he's now against Darwinism.
The boy is all over the map.

He doesn't like rich people and thinks Christians are stupid.  What's next... he hates puppies?

[Solar]

He doesn't like rich people and thinks Christians are stupid.  What's next... he hates puppies?

He'd inquire with God for the answer, but according to him, God is stupid.
So instead of pondering the question any further, he goes back to snacking on puppy fritters.

[milos]

So many unqualified assumptions of a God and history that you and no one else can possibly know.

Start by lying less.

Genesis 2:16-17 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Firstly, only a fool would think that nature had a time without death.

As to what you quoted.

Use modern language and note how God is forbidding his new children from educating themselves.

Is that horrible way of child rearing something you would advocate?

If you do not and have more intelligence that your idiot genocidal son murdering God then you show that your morals and methods are better than your prick of a God.

Take a bow, or remain with your head up your imaginary God's ---.

BTW, Jews who wrote Genesis saw it as man's elevation before the stupid Christian notion of education being a bad thing.

You won't bother educating yourself but I will put the following for those who can think.

"Instead of the Fall of man (in the sense of humanity as a whole), Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue, the beneficent hereditary influence of righteous ancestors upon their descendants".

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/20/comparative-theodicy/

Regards
DL

Before Adam's original sin, man and things in nature could die, but they weren't dying, because of God's blessing to have eternal life. So, they were not immortal like God was, they were mortal, but they had God's blessing not to be dying, because everyone and everything existed in harmony with God and obeyed him.

But, when Eve decided to obey Satan rather than God, and when Adam decided to obey Eve rather than God, what happened was that one creature obeyed other creature and ignored the Creator, and that was the original sin, when human kind decided to ignore God, and so lost God's blessing, and begun dying.

The original sin is educational, yes, because we can now learn what is good and what is evil. But that is just a phase in the life of mankind, before Jesus arrives for the second time, when those who are capable of living in harmony with God and obey him will be saved, while the others will be thrown in Hell.

The original sin is the only reason we need religion. When man lived in harmony with God, there was no need for religion. Abraham needed to prove his obedience to Creator - restoring our obedience to God after the original sin is the main purpose of Abraham's religion. How can you claim that Creation is greater than Creator, it is just nonsense.

[Gnostic Bishop]

You are all over the freakin map!

Do try to keep up.

Prove it, show me facts, prove your God is alive and well!

I am responding to you. Right?

Who is your God or ideal if not yourself?

Who should I have as my God if not my ideal which is myself?

If you are not the ideal to yourself, why are you not like the ideal you envisage?

Who as an ideal are you placing above you and why are you not emulating that ideal?

Regards
DL

[Gnostic Bishop]

He doesn't like rich people and thinks Christians are stupid.  What's next... he hates puppies?

Christians are often bright. It is their morals that suck.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

I also like the rich but also think that their morals are crap as they are not sharing the profits of workers bring to them equitably.

If that were not true, this graph could not exist.

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Regards
DL

[Gnostic Bishop]

Before Adam's original sin, man and things in nature could die, but they weren't dying, because of God's blessing to have eternal life. So, they were not immortal like God was, they were mortal, but they had God's blessing not to be dying, because everyone and everything existed in harmony with God and obeyed him.

But, when Eve decided to obey Satan rather than God, and when Adam decided to obey Eve rather than God, what happened was that one creature obeyed other creature and ignored the Creator, and that was the original sin, when human kind decided to ignore God, and so lost God's blessing, and begun dying.

The original sin is educational, yes, because we can now learn what is good and what is evil. But that is just a phase in the life of mankind, before Jesus arrives for the second time, when those who are capable of living in harmony with God and obey him will be saved, while the others will be thrown in Hell.

The original sin is the only reason we need religion. When man lived in harmony with God, there was no need for religion. Abraham needed to prove his obedience to Creator - restoring our obedience to God after the original sin is the main purpose of Abraham's religion. How can you claim that Creation is greater than Creator, it is just nonsense.

Good grief. You do not know how to read your bible.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about literal reading.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Regards
DL

[Solar]

Do try to keep up.

I am responding to you. Right?

Who is your God or ideal if not yourself?

lol! I just gave you a solid example of your blatant hypocrisy, and you try and tell me, " Try To Keep Up"? Go back and read some of the bull shit you opened with. You actually thought you could railroad in here unchallenged, and all you managed to do is slip and fall in your own trail of shit.
So no son, it is you who need to get your shit together.

Who should I have as my God if not my ideal which is myself?

If you are not the ideal to yourself, why are you not like the ideal you envisage?

Soooo, now you're God?

Who as an ideal are you placing above you and why are you not emulating that ideal?

Prove I do not emulate God.
Ya know, if you weren't out to create a disruption, I could most likely teach you more about your own beliefs, than your preacher/Reverend or whatever your religion dictates.

I actually know where you're coming from, you're just stumbling over your newly found religion because you, yourself, don't quite understand it yet..

[milos]

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Yes, but deeper meaning doesn't mean completely different meaning, nor the opposite meaning. I don't know whether Adam was just one man, or he was the Patriarch of the first mankind, but there certainly was some disobedience to God, which lead to the fall of man and the Earth as a whole. So many crimes in human society is not a natural phenomenon. I don't know what did eternal life for man mean, was he literally not dying, or he could just end his life in current body and consciously incarnate himself into another fetus to begin a new life and not knowing death as we know it today. But it was a different kind of life than it is today.

But, are you claiming, that according to the Bible, God is not the Creator, and man is not a creature? Because, if God is the Creator, and man is a creature, then the Creator is obviously superior to a creature he made.

[topside]

Can you accept that Man is greater than God?

We can think. God cannot.
We can reproduce true. God cannot.
We can have many children. God cannot.
We place the lives of our wives and families above our own. God does not.
We would cure instead of kill. God kills.
We do not torture babies. God does.
We believe in freedom. God does not.
Jesus does which is why he took the judgement seat from His Father.

You can continue to adore a God inferior to you, both intellectually and morally, or become a Gnostic Christian or Karaite Jew like Jesus was. Jesus the Good as the Chrestians used to call him before Christianity reared it’s ugly head by reading their myths literally and embrace their God of War.

Islam would be a better religion today if that had not forced Mohammad to change from a loving God to a God or War so as to fight fire with fire. Thanks Christians for Islam. Pardon the digression.

Jesus shows the way with his advice to seek God by closeting yourself. Are you ready to follow Jesus or will you stick with your lying priests, preachers, Rabbi’s and Imams?

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.



Regards
DL

Math is a pretty solid area - very little ambiguity. One form of proof for a claim is to take the assumptions then assume the conclusion then use logic to demonstrate a contradiction that is known to be false. This proves that the original claim is false. Your ramblings are full of contradictions - you contradict yourself. And your text reads like nonsense.

I'm not going to debate this any further - no point. You need to do a total reset. You're what they call a false teacher.

[walkstall]

Math is a pretty solid area - very little ambiguity. One form of proof for a claim is to take the assumptions then assume the conclusion then use logic to demonstrate a contradiction that is known to be false. This proves that the original claim is false. Your ramblings are full of contradictions - you contradict yourself. And your text reads like nonsense.

I'm not going to debate this any further - no point. You need to do a total reset. You're what they call a false teacher.

You call him a teacher? 

[Solar]

You call him a teacher?

Why is a thread by a former troll being brought back to life? That's the million dollar question.

[topside]

Why is a thread by a former troll being brought back to life? That's the million dollar question.

It was my fault. I hadn't seen it before - stumbled in and was baffled by how distorted it was - then responded. Didn't recognize it had already died out. Sorry.

[Solar]

It was my fault. I hadn't seen it before - stumbled in and was baffled by how distorted it was - then responded. Didn't recognize it had already died out. Sorry.

Yeah, kind of odd, like casting aspersions at the dead.
He was booted over this bull shit and general trolling.

[christian]

The 'I am god, crowd has been making fools of themselves for a very long time.

GnosticBishop:
Christians are often bright. It is their morals that suck.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

The leftist anti-God crowd have been butchering innocent people almost as much as the jihadist, little wonder they so like and ally themselves in their war on Christianty and Jews.  Leftist muslim morals are murder unbelievers when you get the chance/upper hand.  Christians allow people from all over the world to come here, try to go to Mecca.  Muslim moralityand leftist morality is murder and butcher the innocent by the millions, even their own people.  Try that old leftist lie of there is no difference between Muslims and Christians, again, they are a determined lot.  'Honest' old irrefutable lies of the leftist movement, hardly dusted off.  Only Palatable to those that love honest lies.

[Reverend]

Your first reply seemed as brain dead as what a Christian would give.

Apologies if you have some other creator type supernatural God.

I am a Gnostic Christian and we have our own view of God. It is more as shown by these quotes.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

A more thorough explanation is linked here.



Regards
DL

I can't  believe  it , you can't  run far enough to get away from this troll.