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Title: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 01:20:45 PM
Can you accept that Man is greater than God?

We can think. God cannot.
We can reproduce true. God cannot.
We can have many children. God cannot.
We place the lives of our wives and families above our own. God does not.
We would cure instead of kill. God kills.
We do not torture babies. God does.
We believe in freedom. God does not.
Jesus does which is why he took the judgement seat from His Father.

You can continue to adore a God inferior to you, both intellectually and morally, or become a Gnostic Christian or Karaite Jew like Jesus was. Jesus the Good as the Chrestians used to call him before Christianity reared it’s ugly head by reading their myths literally and embrace their God of War.

Islam would be a better religion today if that had not forced Mohammad to change from a loving God to a God or War so as to fight fire with fire. Thanks Christians for Islam. Pardon the digression.

Jesus shows the way with his advice to seek God by closeting yourself. Are you ready to follow Jesus or will you stick with your lying priests, preachers, Rabbi’s and Imams?

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 01:25:05 PM
For, without God, you would not exist. Kind of throws your whole warped religion out the window.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 01:32:01 PM
For, without God, you would not exist. Kind of throws your whole warped religion out the window.

Without man, God would not exist.

Kind of throws your whole warped religion out the window, along with your satanic morals that make Christianity a homophobic and misogynous religion.

What is it that you like about your genocidal son murdering Yahweh?

Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 01:34:17 PM
Without man, God would not exist.

Kind of throws your whole warped religion out the window, along with your satanic morals that make Christianity a homophobic and misogynous religion.

What is it that you like about your genocidal son murdering Yahweh?
God created man, or is that not part of your religion.
And what gives you the idea I'm a Christian?
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 01:40:24 PM
God created man, or is that not part of your religion.
And what gives you the idea I'm a Christian?

Your first reply seemed as brain dead as what a Christian would give.

Apologies if you have some other creator type supernatural God.

I am a Gnostic Christian and we have our own view of God. It is more as shown by these quotes.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

A more thorough explanation is linked here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 01:43:53 PM
Your first reply seemed as brain dead as what a Christian would give.

Apologies if you have some other creator type supernatural God.

I am a Gnostic Christian and we have our own view of God. It is more as shown by these quotes.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

A more thorough explanation is linked here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL
There's your problem, you quote a Christian bible, yet claim God is evil?
I'd say someone has an identity crisis.
And no, I have no interest in watching a video.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:06:40 PM
If you see Yahweh, a genocidal son murderer as good, then your morals are as corrupted as any good Christian.

A good God cures, he does not kill.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 02:11:06 PM
If you see Yahweh, a genocidal son murderer as good, then your morals are as corrupted as any good Christian.

A good God cures, he does not kill.

Regards
DL
God gave us free will, last I checked, it was man murdering the unborn, not God.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:17:27 PM
God gave us free will, last I checked, it was man murdering the unborn, not God.

Oh my. Man created Noah's flood.

Wow, we are some powerful.

Regards
DL

Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 02:24:03 PM
Oh my. Man created Noah's flood.

Wow, we are some powerful.

Regards
DL
Were you there? Can you prove God flooded the earth? Or are you taking that out of that evil Christian bible again, the religion you claim is a lie?
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 02:34:48 PM
Were you there? Can you prove God flooded the earth? Or are you taking that out of that evil Christian bible again, the religion you claim is a lie?

This is all a critique of the bible, yes.

I do not think a book of myths can be said to be lying unless one is fool enough to read it literally.

Regards
DL

Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 03:41:01 PM
This is all a critique of the bible, yes.

I do not think a book of myths can be said to be lying unless one is fool enough to read it literally.

Regards
DL
Yet it was you, not I, that was using it in evidence of your ridiculous point.
Troll, go away, your bull shit is neither contributive nor welcome with people that actually believe in God.
I myself, am walking proof that God exists, my very existence is proof of a loving God, and no, I have no reason to try and convince you of this fact, because, the fact that you don't believe, is evidence you're nothing but an atheist.
God is there, take the time to talk to him, I do, every day.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 04, 2017, 04:01:10 PM
Yet it was you, not I, that was using it in evidence of your ridiculous point.
Troll, go away, your bull shit is neither contributive nor welcome with people that actually believe in God.
I myself, am walking proof that God exists, my very existence is proof of a loving God, and no, I have no reason to try and convince you of this fact, because, the fact that you don't believe, is evidence you're nothing but an atheist.
God is there, take the time to talk to him, I do, every day.

Better an atheist than one who has gone into intellectual and especially moral dissonance.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

Regards
DL


Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 04, 2017, 05:02:23 PM
Better an atheist than one who has gone into intellectual and especially moral dissonance.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

Regards
DL
Oh, I get it, your religion is "The only True Religion"  :rolleyes:.

Go away troll, it's not the religion, it's the individuals' faith that matters, not the label one claims under the guise of religion.
The fact that you group all believers of a given religion as heretics, exposes you for the fraud you are.
Worship your dead God all you like, it all comes out in the end.

I see you bailed on your ridiculous thread in the Poli forum because you got your ass handed to you, yet here you are, looking for more beat down?
Take your bloody clothes and leave now, before I really tear you a new ass.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: milos on September 05, 2017, 06:37:08 AM
Can you accept that Man is greater than God?

We can think. God cannot.
We can reproduce true. God cannot.
We can have many children. God cannot.
We place the lives of our wives and families above our own. God does not.
We would cure instead of kill. God kills.
We do not torture babies. God does.
We believe in freedom. God does not.
Jesus does which is why he took the judgement seat from His Father.

You can continue to adore a God inferior to you, both intellectually and morally, or become a Gnostic Christian or Karaite Jew like Jesus was. Jesus the Good as the Chrestians used to call him before Christianity reared it’s ugly head by reading their myths literally and embrace their God of War.

Islam would be a better religion today if that had not forced Mohammad to change from a loving God to a God or War so as to fight fire with fire. Thanks Christians for Islam. Pardon the digression.

Jesus shows the way with his advice to seek God by closeting yourself. Are you ready to follow Jesus or will you stick with your lying priests, preachers, Rabbi’s and Imams?

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

What a bunch of nonsenses and ignorance. In the beginning, mankind lived in harmony with God, the Creator, and the Earth was Paradise, there was no death, there were no crimes, there was plenty of food and love for everyone, etc. And God had explicitly warned Adam not to taste the fruits from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, because if he tastes it - he will die!

Genesis 2:16-17

The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

http://biblehub.com/genesis/2-17.htm (http://biblehub.com/genesis/2-17.htm)

Adam showed disobedience to God when tasting the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, in spite of the fact that he was warned that he will die if he does so! But God still had love and mercy upon mankind, he spared us in spite of our disobedience, and he gifted us a new chance to repent for our original sin and become obedient to him once again, so that we don't die, but have eternal life just like it was meant to be before we chose death when committing our original sin. That is why Jesus needed to die and to be resurrected, because mankind deserved to die, but those who believe in Jesus shall be saved.

The Creation is not greater than the Creator. The Creator is the master of his Creation. Only the Creator is able to cure and fix his Creation, and the Creation is helpless without the Creator.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: supsalemgr on September 05, 2017, 08:18:16 AM
Do we have a 20 year old living in his mom's basement and believing the ungodly teachers he has experienced?
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 05, 2017, 08:49:39 AM
Do we have a 20 year old living in his mom's basement and believing the ungodly teachers he has experienced?
Twenty? You're way too kind. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 09:04:44 AM
Oh, I get it, your religion is "The only True Religion"  :rolleyes:.

Go away troll, it's not the religion, it's the individuals' faith that matters, not the label one claims under the guise of religion.
The fact that you group all believers of a given religion as heretics, exposes you for the fraud you are.
Worship your dead God all you like, it all comes out in the end.

I see you bailed on your ridiculous thread in the Poli forum because you got your ass handed to you, yet here you are, looking for more beat down?
Take your bloody clothes and leave now, before I really tear you a new ass.

Your history lessons must have missed that Gnostic Christians were branded as heretics. We did not brand any cults that way since we are universalists.

You are correct in that individual faith is all that maters and that is what we sell.

I will let you go away though. Those who declare themselves winners of debates when they should be trying to lose them and learn something are not worth my time.

BTW, there is no true religion. Just methods for personal enlightenment. But ypou are already the great winner and do not need any of that.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 09:18:26 AM
What a bunch of nonsenses and ignorance. In the beginning, mankind lived in harmony with God, the Creator, and the Earth was Paradise, there was no death, there were no crimes, there was plenty of food and love for everyone, etc. And God had explicitly warned Adam not to taste the fruits from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, because if he tastes it - he will die!

Genesis 2:16-17

The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

http://biblehub.com/genesis/2-17.htm (http://biblehub.com/genesis/2-17.htm)

Adam showed disobedience to God when tasting the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, in spite of the fact that he was warned that he will die if he does so! But God still had love and mercy upon mankind, he spared us in spite of our disobedience, and he gifted us a new chance to repent for our original sin and become obedient to him once again, so that we don't die, but have eternal life just like it was meant to be before we chose death when committing our original sin. That is why Jesus needed to die and to be resurrected, because mankind deserved to die, but those who believe in Jesus shall be saved.

The Creation is not greater than the Creator. The Creator is the master of his Creation. Only the Creator is able to cure and fix his Creation, and the Creation is helpless without the Creator.

So many unqualified assumptions of a God and history that you and no one else can possibly know.

Start by lying less.

Genesis 2:16-17 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Firstly, only a fool would think that nature had a time without death.

As to what you quoted.

Use modern language and note how God is forbidding his new children from educating themselves.

Is that horrible way of child rearing something you would advocate?

If you do not and have more intelligence that your idiot genocidal son murdering God then you show that your morals and methods are better than your prick of a God.

Take a bow, or remain with your head up your imaginary God's ---.

BTW, Jews who wrote Genesis saw it as man's elevation before the stupid Christian notion of education being a bad thing.

You won't bother educating yourself but I will put the following for those who can think.

"Instead of the Fall of man (in the sense of humanity as a whole), Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue, the beneficent hereditary influence of righteous ancestors upon their descendants".

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/20/comparative-theodicy/

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 09:21:23 AM
Do we have a 20 year old living in his mom's basement and believing the ungodly teachers he has experienced?

Attacking the messenger instead of the message shows just who is living where.

Thanks for showing us the kind of mind you have.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: supsalemgr on September 05, 2017, 09:34:52 AM
Attacking the messenger instead of the message shows just who is living where.

Thanks for showing us the kind of mind you have.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

Regards
DL

I was asking a question and you answered it.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 05, 2017, 09:57:59 AM
Your history lessons must have missed that Gnostic Christians were branded as heretics. We did not brand any cults that way since we are universalists.
Oh good God, every religion claims others as heretics when they branch off and start a new.
You are correct in that individual faith is all that maters and that is what we sell.

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I will let you go away though. Those who declare themselves winners of debates when they should be trying to lose them and learn something are not worth my time.

BTW, there is no true religion. Just methods for personal enlightenment. But ypou are already the great winner and do not need any of that.

Regards
DL
ROFL!!! So you claim a win by default because I handed your ass to you? That's rich!
It was your arrogance set you on the losing path from the very start, claiming all other religions worship false Gods, yet your's worships a dead one, a new twist on atheism, or rather, lack of faith.

Take your bull shit somewhere else, this forum is for people of faith, not people of doubt.

By the way, religion is not God.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 11:02:02 AM
Oh good God, every religion claims others as heretics when they branch off and start a new.
You are correct in that individual faith is all that maters and that is what we sell.
ROFL!!! So you claim a win by default because I handed your ass to you? That's rich!
It was your arrogance set you on the losing path from the very start, claiming all other religions worship false Gods, yet your's worships a dead one, a new twist on atheism, or rather, lack of faith.

Take your bull shit somewhere else, this forum is for people of faith, not people of doubt.

By the way, religion is not God.

Faith not built on facts is for fools.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: walkstall on September 05, 2017, 12:46:13 PM
Faith not built on facts is for fools.

Regards
DL

Me thinks his mother was an ex-nun.   :ohmy: 
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 12:59:22 PM
Me thinks his mother was an ex-nun.   :ohmy:

Given his language, an ex-nun with a foul mouth.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 05, 2017, 04:26:26 PM
Faith not built on facts is for fools.

Regards
DL
Oh Jeeez, Faith is based on the absence of any tangible item/fact. Faith is the epitome of the absence of proof.
And that has absolutely nothing to do with religion, that's a known FACT!
You have faith your God is dead, yet can't produce one fact to back it up.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 05, 2017, 04:40:25 PM
Oh Jeeez, Faith is based on the absence of any tangible item/fact. Faith is the epitome of the absence of proof.
And that has absolutely nothing to do with religion, that's a known FACT!
You have faith your God is dead, yet can't produce one fact to back it up.

??

Faith is a religious staple.

??

My God is not dead.

Show us your knowledge and tell us what we Gnostic Christians call our God and why.

This might help.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

Regards
DL

Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 05, 2017, 05:25:09 PM


Faith is a religious staple.
You are all over the freakin map!
Your words.
Faith not built on facts is for fools.
Prove it, show me facts, prove your God is alive and well!
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My God is not dead.
Yet your OP, in the very first line:

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We can think. God cannot.

If he can't think, he is dead.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 06:04:32 AM
You are all over the freakin map!
Your words.Prove it, show me facts, prove your God is alive and well!Yet your OP, in the very first line:

If he can't think, he is dead.

Has he gotten to Darwin yet, or should I come back later?
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 06:19:29 AM
Has he gotten to Darwin yet, or should I come back later?
Depends if it helps his cause at the moment, then yes, he'll support Darwin, only to turn around and claim he's now against Darwinism.
The boy is all over the map. :lol:
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: taxed on September 06, 2017, 06:22:22 AM
Depends if it helps his cause at the moment, then yes, he'll support Darwin, only to turn around and claim he's now against Darwinism.
The boy is all over the map. :lol:

He doesn't like rich people and thinks Christians are stupid.  What's next... he hates puppies?
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 06:40:26 AM
He doesn't like rich people and thinks Christians are stupid.  What's next... he hates puppies?
He'd inquire with God for the answer, but according to him, God is stupid.
So instead of pondering the question any further, he goes back to snacking on puppy fritters.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: milos on September 06, 2017, 06:52:28 AM
So many unqualified assumptions of a God and history that you and no one else can possibly know.

Start by lying less.

Genesis 2:16-17 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Firstly, only a fool would think that nature had a time without death.

As to what you quoted.

Use modern language and note how God is forbidding his new children from educating themselves.

Is that horrible way of child rearing something you would advocate?

If you do not and have more intelligence that your idiot genocidal son murdering God then you show that your morals and methods are better than your prick of a God.

Take a bow, or remain with your head up your imaginary God's ---.

BTW, Jews who wrote Genesis saw it as man's elevation before the stupid Christian notion of education being a bad thing.

You won't bother educating yourself but I will put the following for those who can think.

"Instead of the Fall of man (in the sense of humanity as a whole), Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue, the beneficent hereditary influence of righteous ancestors upon their descendants".

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/20/comparative-theodicy/

Regards
DL

Before Adam's original sin, man and things in nature could die, but they weren't dying, because of God's blessing to have eternal life. So, they were not immortal like God was, they were mortal, but they had God's blessing not to be dying, because everyone and everything existed in harmony with God and obeyed him.

But, when Eve decided to obey Satan rather than God, and when Adam decided to obey Eve rather than God, what happened was that one creature obeyed other creature and ignored the Creator, and that was the original sin, when human kind decided to ignore God, and so lost God's blessing, and begun dying.

The original sin is educational, yes, because we can now learn what is good and what is evil. But that is just a phase in the life of mankind, before Jesus arrives for the second time, when those who are capable of living in harmony with God and obey him will be saved, while the others will be thrown in Hell.

The original sin is the only reason we need religion. When man lived in harmony with God, there was no need for religion. Abraham needed to prove his obedience to Creator - restoring our obedience to God after the original sin is the main purpose of Abraham's religion. How can you claim that Creation is greater than Creator, it is just nonsense.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:13:32 AM
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You are all over the freakin map!

Do try to keep up.

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Prove it, show me facts, prove your God is alive and well!

I am responding to you. Right?

Who is your God or ideal if not yourself?

Who should I have as my God if not my ideal which is myself?

If you are not the ideal to yourself, why are you not like the ideal you envisage?

Who as an ideal are you placing above you and why are you not emulating that ideal?

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:16:10 AM
He doesn't like rich people and thinks Christians are stupid.  What's next... he hates puppies?

Christians are often bright. It is their morals that suck.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

I also like the rich but also think that their morals are crap as they are not sharing the profits of workers bring to them equitably.

If that were not true, this graph could not exist.

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Gnostic Bishop on September 06, 2017, 07:21:18 AM
Before Adam's original sin, man and things in nature could die, but they weren't dying, because of God's blessing to have eternal life. So, they were not immortal like God was, they were mortal, but they had God's blessing not to be dying, because everyone and everything existed in harmony with God and obeyed him.

But, when Eve decided to obey Satan rather than God, and when Adam decided to obey Eve rather than God, what happened was that one creature obeyed other creature and ignored the Creator, and that was the original sin, when human kind decided to ignore God, and so lost God's blessing, and begun dying.

The original sin is educational, yes, because we can now learn what is good and what is evil. But that is just a phase in the life of mankind, before Jesus arrives for the second time, when those who are capable of living in harmony with God and obey him will be saved, while the others will be thrown in Hell.

The original sin is the only reason we need religion. When man lived in harmony with God, there was no need for religion. Abraham needed to prove his obedience to Creator - restoring our obedience to God after the original sin is the main purpose of Abraham's religion. How can you claim that Creation is greater than Creator, it is just nonsense.

Good grief. You do not know how to read your bible.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about literal reading.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on September 06, 2017, 07:24:11 AM
Do try to keep up.

I am responding to you. Right?

Who is your God or ideal if not yourself?
lol! I just gave you a solid example of your blatant hypocrisy, and you try and tell me, " Try To Keep Up"? Go back and read some of the bull shit you opened with. You actually thought you could railroad in here unchallenged, and all you managed to do is slip and fall in your own trail of shit.
So no son, it is you who need to get your shit together.

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Who should I have as my God if not my ideal which is myself?

If you are not the ideal to yourself, why are you not like the ideal you envisage?
Soooo, now you're God? :biggrin:

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Who as an ideal are you placing above you and why are you not emulating that ideal?
Prove I do not emulate God.
Ya know, if you weren't out to create a disruption, I could most likely teach you more about your own beliefs, than your preacher/Reverend or whatever your religion dictates.

I actually know where you're coming from, you're just stumbling over your newly found religion because you, yourself, don't quite understand it yet..
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: milos on September 07, 2017, 11:47:46 PM
"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Yes, but deeper meaning doesn't mean completely different meaning, nor the opposite meaning. I don't know whether Adam was just one man, or he was the Patriarch of the first mankind, but there certainly was some disobedience to God, which lead to the fall of man and the Earth as a whole. So many crimes in human society is not a natural phenomenon. I don't know what did eternal life for man mean, was he literally not dying, or he could just end his life in current body and consciously incarnate himself into another fetus to begin a new life and not knowing death as we know it today. But it was a different kind of life than it is today.

But, are you claiming, that according to the Bible, God is not the Creator, and man is not a creature? Because, if God is the Creator, and man is a creature, then the Creator is obviously superior to a creature he made.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: topside on October 13, 2017, 06:27:07 AM
Can you accept that Man is greater than God?

We can think. God cannot.
We can reproduce true. God cannot.
We can have many children. God cannot.
We place the lives of our wives and families above our own. God does not.
We would cure instead of kill. God kills.
We do not torture babies. God does.
We believe in freedom. God does not.
Jesus does which is why he took the judgement seat from His Father.

You can continue to adore a God inferior to you, both intellectually and morally, or become a Gnostic Christian or Karaite Jew like Jesus was. Jesus the Good as the Chrestians used to call him before Christianity reared it’s ugly head by reading their myths literally and embrace their God of War.

Islam would be a better religion today if that had not forced Mohammad to change from a loving God to a God or War so as to fight fire with fire. Thanks Christians for Islam. Pardon the digression.

Jesus shows the way with his advice to seek God by closeting yourself. Are you ready to follow Jesus or will you stick with your lying priests, preachers, Rabbi’s and Imams?

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

Math is a pretty solid area - very little ambiguity. One form of proof for a claim is to take the assumptions then assume the conclusion then use logic to demonstrate a contradiction that is known to be false. This proves that the original claim is false. Your ramblings are full of contradictions - you contradict yourself. And your text reads like nonsense.

I'm not going to debate this any further - no point. You need to do a total reset. You're what they call a false teacher.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: walkstall on October 13, 2017, 04:02:58 PM
Math is a pretty solid area - very little ambiguity. One form of proof for a claim is to take the assumptions then assume the conclusion then use logic to demonstrate a contradiction that is known to be false. This proves that the original claim is false. Your ramblings are full of contradictions - you contradict yourself. And your text reads like nonsense.

I'm not going to debate this any further - no point. You need to do a total reset. You're what they call a false teacher.


You call him a teacher? 
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on October 13, 2017, 06:58:32 PM

You call him a teacher?
Why is a thread by a former troll being brought back to life? That's the million dollar question. :laugh:
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: topside on October 14, 2017, 04:52:22 AM
Why is a thread by a former troll being brought back to life? That's the million dollar question. :laugh:

It was my fault. I hadn't seen it before - stumbled in and was baffled by how distorted it was - then responded. Didn't recognize it had already died out. Sorry.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Solar on October 14, 2017, 06:46:32 AM
It was my fault. I hadn't seen it before - stumbled in and was baffled by how distorted it was - then responded. Didn't recognize it had already died out. Sorry.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, kind of odd, like casting aspersions at the dead.
He was booted over this bull shit and general trolling.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: christian on December 10, 2017, 10:01:06 PM
The 'I am god, crowd has been making fools of themselves for a very long time.

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Christians are often bright. It is their morals that suck.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

The leftist anti-God crowd have been butchering innocent people almost as much as the jihadist, little wonder they so like and ally themselves in their war on Christianty and Jews.  Leftist muslim morals are murder unbelievers when you get the chance/upper hand.  Christians allow people from all over the world to come here, try to go to Mecca.  Muslim moralityand leftist morality is murder and butcher the innocent by the millions, even their own people.  Try that old leftist lie of there is no difference between Muslims and Christians, again, they are a determined lot.  'Honest' old irrefutable lies of the leftist movement, hardly dusted off.  Only Palatable to those that love honest lies.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: Reverend on January 18, 2018, 11:52:36 PM
Your first reply seemed as brain dead as what a Christian would give.

Apologies if you have some other creator type supernatural God.

I am a Gnostic Christian and we have our own view of God. It is more as shown by these quotes.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

A more thorough explanation is linked here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

I can't  believe  it , you can't  run far enough to get away from this troll.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: valley ranch on March 25, 2018, 06:03:36 PM
This is silly ~ Our God ~ the one and only god ~ can and has done Everything ~ anything we are able to do ~ is what God has formed us ~ able to do ```

Glory to God ```
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: nikuluss on April 08, 2018, 10:45:13 AM
One of the definitions of God is that of Ultimate and Final Authority.  Anyone who says with finality that there is no God or defiantly ventures beyond that which has already been revealed has placed himself, by this definition, as God.  Good luck with that when the Time comes.  The Bible teaches we are in the midst of two very opposing realities, the Kingdom of God and the World.  It's sad that the testimony of too many Christians is compromised because they prefer to live by the World's standards while professing the Kingdom of God.  That does not bode well for them in the long term (Mt 7:22-23) but that is not anyone's call but God's and He remains faithful even though we are not.  It seems obvious enough that Gnostic Bishop was hurt a long time ago and hasn't learned how to properly process it and move on.  I hope he finally does because his trajectory isn't looking promising.
Title: Re: Can you accept that Man is greater than God?
Post by: T Hunt on April 15, 2018, 11:50:00 AM
Romans 9:
20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” 

21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?