Can a fundamentalist please explain these bible verses to me?

[Sci Fi Fan]

WE asked God to butt-out

No, Adam and Eve did thousands of years ago, and you think they had the authority to speak for all humanity, past, present and future.  I'm pretty sure the starving kid in Africa who prays every day for God to save him didn't ask God to butt-out.

[Yawn]

No, YOU did.  Why do you pretend otherwise? Are you honestly telling us you look to God for guidance?

.  I'm pretty sure the starving kid in Africa who prays every day for God to save him didn't ask God to butt-out.

Some pray to Molech (in his various reincarnations). A third of humanity prays to Allah.  Your first duty is to know who God really is. Your second duty is to obey Him. Until you can honestly say you've done that, all of your whining about Adam & Eve is pointless since you've rejected Him also.

[Yawn]

I'm pretty sure the starving kid in Africa who prays every day for God to save him didn't ask God to butt-out.

Here's something else for you to consider.  That "starving kid", was likely orphaned after the father got AIDS from visiting prostitutes and gave it to the kid's mom. Now both parents are dead.

Didn't THEY reject God, ask Him to butt-out since that God told them, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY."

You see, free choice means people will make bad choices and there will be consequences. That kid is starving because the father decided to live life as he pleases and suffer the consequences.

Of the estimated 16 million AIDS orphans, nearly 12 million live in Black Africa (not the Arab North).  AIDS ORPHANS

[IBeMe]

Now I get it;

Si Fi Fan : "a) Marry two law abiding, charitable, pleasant gays."

No wonder you have a problem with God, you're worried about the "pleasant gays."

[MFA]

But you would, if it was within your power, would you not?

Sure, I would.  What's the relevance?

Would you not vilify a bystander who does nothing to report a heinous felony?

Yup.

Would you not condemn a leader who does nothing to stop crime and poverty simply because he feels that it is not his responsibility?

Sure.

Why does God follow lesser moral standards than the average human?  Why do you defend God's choice to follow "free will" so absolutely, even though you wouldn't tolerate the presence of a human who tried adhering to the same doctrine?

So...let's see...you don't want free will?  Is that what you're saying?

If you have children, I would wager that you would not allow them to stick their fingers down an electrical socket because they have the free will to do so.

Yes...WHEN THEY WERE 6!!!  Should I continue to do that when they're 30?

However, what you're talking is akin to shutting off the power every time they come close to that socket.  You want God to "give us free will" but eliminate the consequences--free will "without teeth."  What good is that?  And where is that line?

Do you actually prefer the idea of no free will?

[JustKari]

So you are saying that, if you could do literally anything with a gesture, you wouldn't stop a serial murderer because he has the free will to kill?

Yes, I would.  But that has nothing to do with how God would or wouldn't do something or anything. 

 

[JustKari]

But not to you.  I'm certain you don't regard me the same way you'd regard a serial killer.  But if God does so, when don't you, given that you follow his moral code?

No I don't, because we humans have this process by which we think sin we commit every day is "not as bad" as other sin, when in fact sin is sin.

In this case, the victim won't ever get another shot...because he/she will be dead within seconds.

You are making the assumption that the entire sum of this persons life should begin and end with just the end.  If this person has rejected God their whole life, then they have chosen that path.  Your choice to believe or not is a very serious one, with consequences.  It should not be made flippantly, you never know when you will die.

In other words, God cares more about people worshiping him...then actually helping said people?

No, God cares that those who would chose Him would be with Him.  You keep putting human attributes on God, he is not Human. 

Wouldn't you think less of a great philanthropist if he demanded that every recipient of his good will bow down and label him The Magnificent and give thanks to a giant statue of him every Sunday?  Wouldn't you think even less of him if he actually had enough money to end all of their problems with a fraction of his resources, but chooses not to so that he can continue receiving praise?

A "philanthropist" can do whatever he wants.
Matthew 6

Contemporary English Version (CEV)

6 When you do good deeds, don't try to show off. If you do, you won't get a reward from your Father in heaven.

2 When you give to the poor, don't blow a loud horn. That's what show-offs do in the meeting places and on the street corners, because they are always looking for praise. I can assure you that they already have their reward.

3 When you give to the poor, don't let anyone know about it.[a] 4 Then your gift will be given in secret. Your Father knows what is done in secret, and he will reward you.

[MFA]

In other words, God cares more about people worshiping him...then actually helping said people?

Wouldn't you think less of a great philanthropist if he demanded that every recipient of his good will bow down and label him The Magnificent and give thanks to a giant statue of him every Sunday?  Wouldn't you think even less of him if he actually had enough money to end all of their problems with a fraction of his resources, but chooses not to so that he can continue receiving praise?

You don't really understand what Christian worship is, do you?

[Sci Fi Fan]

Sure, I would.  What's the relevance?

Yup.

Sure.

So...let's see...you don't want free will?  Is that what you're saying?

You're contradicting yourself.  First, you state that you would stop a murderer.  Then, you state that God shouldn't stop murderers because it would violate their free will.  Do you see the paradox here?

[MFA]

You're contradicting yourself.  First, you state that you would stop a murderer.  Then, you state that God shouldn't stop murderers because it would violate their free will.  Do you see the paradox here?

Not at all.  I would.  God wouldn't.  How is that a contradiction?  I'm not God.

I think I've asked this question before, and it has been suitably ignored--at what point should God intervene and overwhelm free will?  And who's free will?

[Sci Fi Fan]

I think I've asked this question before, and it has been suitably ignored--at what point should God intervene and overwhelm free will?  And who's free will?

God should intervene and overwhelm free will when you'd expect any decent human being to do so.

Really, with all due respect, the logic you are employing is so full of holes I'm having difficulty conveying just how ridiculous it is.  Here is a compilation of your assertions, and I'll hope that you can figure out the problems here:

You would stop a murderer (and "overwhelm free will")
You would vilify anyone who wouldn't stop a murderer
God wouldn't stop the murderer because it would violate the murderer's free will [to kill other people, and rob them of their free will... ]
You're fine with this, despite calling the failure to stop a murderer unethical
You have the free will to restrict the free will of others
God cannot violate this free will, even to protect the free will of others
You, however, would violate a criminal's free will to protect the free will/security of others

???

[MFA]

God should intervene and overwhelm free will when you'd expect any decent human being to do so.

Really, with all due respect, the logic you are employing is so full of holes I'm having difficulty conveying just how ridiculous it is.  Here is a compilation of your assertions, and I'll hope that you can figure out the problems here:

You would stop a murderer (and "overwhelm free will")
You would vilify anyone who wouldn't stop a murderer
God wouldn't stop the murderer because it would violate the murderer's free will [to kill other people, and rob them of their free will... ]
You're fine with this, despite calling the failure to stop a murderer unethical
You have the free will to restrict the free will of others
God cannot violate this free will, even to protect the free will of others
You, however, would violate a criminal's free will to protect the free will/security of others

???

Should God stop a thief?  A slave owner?  A liar?  Or just a murderer?

[kramarat]

Should God stop a thief?  A slave owner?  A liar?  Or just a murderer?

Anybody that spends this much time obsessing over God...is about a heartbeat away from knowing God.

Either that, or an irrational fear of something that doesn't exist.

[Sci Fi Fan]

Should God stop a thief?  A slave owner?  A liar?  Or just a murderer?

Should you?  If the answer to this question is yes (as you've already indicated), why is it different for God?

You are suggesting that you have the right to violate a criminal's "free will", but God does not.   

Anybody that spends this much time obsessing over God

Hey, I'm not the one who actually goes to church every Sunday to worship him.

[MFA]

Should you?  If the answer to this question is yes (as you've already indicated), why is it different for God?

You are suggesting that you have the right to violate a criminal's "free will", but God does not.   

Okay...so I think I asked this question before and I don't remember seeing an answer.  Do you think we shouldn't have free will?  You would prefer that God controls all our actions?