Boy Scouts set to end ban on gay members

Started by Solar, April 19, 2013, 09:26:59 AM

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Mountainshield

Quote from: redlom xof on July 31, 2013, 01:36:56 AM
If homosexuality is a choice, why don't you choose to be a homosexual ? Just for a while, see if you like it.

Oh, did I say it was a choice? Really? Where? Please quote me good sir

You can keep your straw man arguments to yourself and stop trying make assertions and conclusions to propositions I never made. It is tedious and belong in a high school political debate.

distraff

Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
How can these people do this, destroy more than 100 years of Christian tradition?
I imagine the answer is, the fags have infected the board of directors.
It's not final, but we know they're Hell bent on destroying the organization. Divide and conquer, it's how the left works.

(Reuters) - The Boy Scouts of America called to end a long-standing ban on openly gay members, a spokesman said on Friday, but the organization's board must still vote in May on whether to ratify the resolution.

If the vote is approved, "no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone," Deron Smith, the organization's spokesman, told Reuters.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419

I know plenty of gay people and they seem to be all-right people.  I don't see why a nice kid who is gay can't an eagle scout badge.  Does 100 years of Christian tradition mean discrimination according to you?

Solar

Quote from: distraff on September 07, 2013, 03:46:52 PM
I know plenty of gay people and they seem to be all-right people.  I don't see why a nice kid who is gay can't an eagle scout badge.  Does 100 years of Christian tradition mean discrimination according to you?
And no one is being banned, they just aren't being allowed to become squad leaders.
Are you against the Right of Free association?

Are you willing to have your children taught that pedophilia is just another lifestyle?
At what point do you draw the line?
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Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2013, 04:17:17 PM
And no one is being banned, they just aren't being allowed to become squad leaders.
Are you against the Right of Free association?

Are you willing to have your children taught that pedophilia is just another lifestyle?
At what point do you draw the line?

1: Openly gay kids used to be banned from becoming eagle scouts.
2: I am not against the right of free association.  If the boy scouts didn't let in black kids, you wouldn't see me calling for any court cases.
3: I am against having my kid being taught by pedos.  However, gays aren't pedos so, I don't see what your point is.
4: What line? 

Solar

Quote from: distraff on September 07, 2013, 05:59:48 PM
1: Openly gay kids used to be banned from becoming eagle scouts.
2: I am not against the right of free association.  If the boy scouts didn't let in black kids, you wouldn't see me calling for any court cases.
3: I am against having my kid being taught by pedos.  However, gays aren't pedos so, I don't see what your point is.
4: What line?
So you're a bigot?
Point is, it's a free country, a country that used to allow people to freely choose with whom they associated.
The Boy Scouts is a Religious institution, one that believes in the bible, the same book that calls homosexuality a sin.

Remember the First Amendment?  Read it, and tell me the Govt isn't crossing the line.
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Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2013, 06:07:12 PM
So you're a bigot?
Point is, it's a free country, a country that used to allow people to freely choose with whom they associated.
The Boy Scouts is a Religious institution, one that believes in the bible, the same book that calls homosexuality a sin.

Remember the First Amendment?  Read it, and tell me the Govt isn't crossing the line.

1: No I am not a bigot. 
2: I agree that people have the right to choose who they associate with, even if they happen to be jerks about it.
3: The bigotry in the bible against gays is clearly morally wrong.  Lets not base the boy scouts on parts of the bible that should be forgotten.  The parts of the bible against divorce, equal rights for women, supporting slavery, etc have been forgotten.  Why can't we do the same with homophobia?

Troubleshooter

Quote from: redlom xof on July 31, 2013, 01:36:56 AM
If homosexuality is a choice, why don't you choose to be a homosexual ? Just for a while, see if you like it.

Mountainsheild, judging by your posts, you seem to be a religious person. That is hardly thinking logically and basing thought on empirical facts but more on faith and emotion.

Homosexuality is a choice, but not the one you think it is.

Romans 1:25-27 says that worshiping created things instead of God causes homosexual cravings.

With all of the environment worship around today, the number of homosexuals should be higher.

People also have the choice of not giving into their cravings.


Troubleshooter

Quote from: distraff on September 08, 2013, 11:22:46 AM
1: No I am not a bigot.

Anyone who discriminates against anyone for his religious belief is a bigot.

Quote2: I agree that people have the right to choose who they associate with, even if they happen to be jerks about it.

Your use of pejoratives ("jerk") shows you are a bigot.

Quote3: The bigotry in the bible against gays is clearly morally wrong.

Not according to God, who decides what is moral and what is not.  God says homosexual behavior is immoral.

QuoteLets not base the boy scouts on parts of the bible that should be forgotten.

Now YOU appoint yourself the judge of God's scripture?? How self centered you are. Or are you using a different religion (Political Correctness, plagiarized by Democrats from the Baha'i Faith)? One religion can't be used to judge another.

QuoteThe parts of the bible against divorce, equal rights for women, supporting slavery, etc have been forgotten.

Read the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts the sinners told you to read. We haven't forgotten these parts. Government has.

- Read Acts, where women and men are both given the signs and gifts.

- Slavery as it was in Israel (not the other nations) still exists today in the US. It is public restitution. Only when a court ruled that an Israelite owed restitution could he be sold. And he went free after 7 years. A nomadic society could not have jails, so slavery was used.

Also note that in Acts 10 and 15, most of the Old Testament Law was removed for New Testament believers. The ceremonial, dietary, and cleanliness laws were fulfilled in Christ, so they were no longer needed. And the penalties and property laws died with the nation of Israel in 73 AD. Only the morality laws and three prohibitions on eating remain.

QuoteWhy can't we do the same with homophobia?

Using yet another pejorative! Homophobia is a pejorative crafted to make Christians look like they fear homosexuality, instead of obeying God by shunning homosexuals.

Homosexuality is not hereditary. The "science" that says it is was bad science (but the press still says it was true science). Acts 1:25-27 tells why people become homosexual: worshiping created things instead of God. With all of the environment worship going on, we have a bumper crop of homosexuals.

Our biggest problem is that the press has decided to side with sin, rather than obedience to God. Because they themselves want to be allowed to sin, reporters try to discredit all belief in Christ and God. They want the freedom to do wrong.

Reporters also want Obamacare for themselves, so they try to discredit claims that it violates Christian beliefs, either by claiming it does not violate our beliefs, or by trying to discredit Christianity in general.

Solar

Quote from: Troubleshooter on November 12, 2013, 07:10:22 PM
Anyone who discriminates against anyone for his religious belief is a bigot.

Your use of pejoratives ("jerk") shows you are a bigot.

Not according to God, who decides what is moral and what is not.  God says homosexual behavior is immoral.

Now YOU appoint yourself the judge of God's scripture?? How self centered you are. Or are you using a different religion (Political Correctness, plagiarized by Democrats from the Baha'i Faith)? One religion can't be used to judge another.

Read the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts the sinners told you to read. We haven't forgotten these parts. Government has.

- Read Acts, where women and men are both given the signs and gifts.

- Slavery as it was in Israel (not the other nations) still exists today in the US. It is public restitution. Only when a court ruled that an Israelite owed restitution could he be sold. And he went free after 7 years. A nomadic society could not have jails, so slavery was used.

Also note that in Acts 10 and 15, most of the Old Testament Law was removed for New Testament believers. The ceremonial, dietary, and cleanliness laws were fulfilled in Christ, so they were no longer needed. And the penalties and property laws died with the nation of Israel in 73 AD. Only the morality laws and three prohibitions on eating remain.

Using yet another pejorative! Homophobia is a pejorative crafted to make Christians look like they fear homosexuality, instead of obeying God by shunning homosexuals.

Homosexuality is not hereditary. The "science" that says it is was bad science (but the press still says it was true science). Acts 1:25-27 tells why people become homosexual: worshiping created things instead of God. With all of the environment worship going on, we have a bumper crop of homosexuals.

Our biggest problem is that the press has decided to side with sin, rather than obedience to God. Because they themselves want to be allowed to sin, reporters try to discredit all belief in Christ and God. They want the freedom to do wrong.

Reporters also want Obamacare for themselves, so they try to discredit claims that it violates Christian beliefs, either by claiming it does not violate our beliefs, or by trying to discredit Christianity in general.
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Quote from: Troubleshooter on November 12, 2013, 07:10:22 PM
Anyone who discriminates against anyone for his religious belief is a bigot.

But discriminating against people for their sexual orientation is completely OK?   :rolleyes:

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Your use of pejoratives ("jerk") shows you are a bigot.

:lol: Did you seriously claim that someone who uses the word "jerk" is a bigot?

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Not according to God, who decides what is moral and what is not.

What if a gay person doesn't believe in your God?  Remember, don't be a hypocrite: you just called someone a bigot for insulting your religious beliefs.

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God says homosexual behavior is immoral.

God also says that you should kill your neighbor if he works on a Saturday.

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Now YOU appoint yourself the judge of God's scripture?? How self centered you are.

Doesn't the Old Testament order that girls who aren't virgins when they marry be stoned to death?

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Read the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts the sinners told you to read. We haven't forgotten these parts. Government has.

Why should the government care about Christianity?  Remember your own "bigot" accusation?

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- Read Acts, where women and men are both given the signs and gifts.

So?  God orders that women who are raped be stoned to death if they don't scream loudly enough.

Quote
- Slavery as it was in Israel (not the other nations) still exists today in the US. It is public restitution. Only when a court ruled that an Israelite owed restitution could he be sold. And he went free after 7 years. A nomadic society could not have jails, so slavery was used.

Not the case when Moses orders his men to take virgins from defeated tribes as sex slaves.

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Also note that in Acts 10 and 15, most of the Old Testament Law was removed for New Testament believers. The ceremonial, dietary, and cleanliness laws were fulfilled in Christ, so they were no longer needed. And the penalties and property laws died with the nation of Israel in 73 AD. Only the morality laws and three prohibitions on eating remain.

How does that justify the fact that the OT laws were ever there in the first place, when they are one of the most evil and disgusting sets of principles ever written by man?  You realize that God orders literal genocide of entire tribes of civilians, and punishes soldiers who are slow to carry out the order?

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Using yet another pejorative! Homophobia is a pejorative crafted to make Christians look like they fear homosexuality, instead of obeying God by shunning homosexuals.

So insulting someone for insulting homosexuals is bad, but insulting homosexuals is OK?

Quote
Homosexuality is not hereditary. The "science" that says it is was bad science (but the press still says it was true science). Acts 1:25-27 tells why people become homosexual: worshiping created things instead of God. With all of the environment worship going on, we have a bumper crop of homosexuals.

Do you seriously think that a gay child wakes up one day in puberty and decides to be gay for "worshipping created things instead of God"?  By that hypothesis, you'd expect more materialistic people to be more gay.  Please show evidence of this prediction.

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Our biggest problem is that the press has decided to side with sin, rather than obedience to God. Because they themselves want to be allowed to sin, reporters try to discredit all belief in Christ and God. They want the freedom to do wrong.

Why should those of us who don't believe in God obey God?  Remember your own bigoted accusation.

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Reporters also want Obamacare for themselves, so they try to discredit claims that it violates Christian beliefs, either by claiming it does not violate our beliefs, or by trying to discredit Christianity in general.

The fact that you haven't murdered your neighbor or any of your female companions who has had pre-marital sex is proof that you aren't nearly the holy man you think you are.

Michelle

Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
How can these people do this, destroy more than 100 years of Christian tradition?
I imagine the answer is, the fags have infected the board of directors.
It's not final, but we know they're Hell bent on destroying the organization. Divide and conquer, it's how the left works.

(Reuters) - The Boy Scouts of America called to end a long-standing ban on openly gay members, a spokesman said on Friday, but the organization's board must still vote in May on whether to ratify the resolution.

If the vote is approved, "no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone," Deron Smith, the organization's spokesman, told Reuters.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-boyscouts-ban-idINBRE93I0OY20130419

Just curious, how do you feel about the Boy Scouts of Japan?  Or the Boy Scouts of Nigeria?

Skeptic

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Quote from: Solar on July 31, 2013, 01:26:01 PM
The Boy Scouts IS a Faith Based organization.

As long as they keep accepting federal money, they need to keep their mouths shut and accept non-Christians and non-heterosexuals. They don't like that? Fine, but stop taking federal money then. If they want to become completely privately funded, I have no problem with them dictating who can become a member of their private club. I respect private clubs having a say regarding what beliefs their members must have, but I don't respect hypocrites taking government money and then pretending to be an exclusive private club that gets to dictate the religion and sexual orientation of their members.
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Solar

Quote from: Michelle on November 13, 2014, 04:50:32 PM
Just curious, how do you feel about the Boy Scouts of Japan?  Or the Boy Scouts of Nigeria?

Don't care.
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Quote from: Skeptic on November 13, 2014, 04:59:35 PM
As long as they keep accepting federal money, they need to keep their mouths shut and accept non-Christians and non-heterosexuals. They don't like that? Fine, but stop taking federal money then. If they want to become completely privately funded, I have no problem with them dictating who can become a member of their private club. I respect private clubs having a say regarding what beliefs their members must have, but I don't respect hypocrites taking government money and then pretending to be an exclusive private club that gets to dictate the religion and sexual orientation of their members.
I'm sure you have a valid, recent link showing the breakdown?
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Quote from: Solar on November 13, 2014, 05:09:21 PM
I'm sure you have a valid, recent link showing the breakdown?

Does Federal law providing for government participation and aid to Boy Scout activities count?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/2554

QuoteIn the case of a Boy Scout Jamboree held on a military installation, the Secretary of Defense may provide personnel services and logistical support at the military installation in addition to the support authorized under subsections (a) and (d).

Don't use military bases and personnel for your games  :ttoung:
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