Bible says immigrants must obey OUR law!

[je_freedom]

Leftists like to cite the Bible's admonitions to welcome strangers,
but they never mention the Bible's policy that
strangers who come to live with us are OBLIGATED to live by OUR laws!

Here are a few passages:

Exodus 12:49
The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you.

Numbers 9:14
If an alien sojourns among you and observes the Passover to the LORD,
according to the statute of the Passover and according to its ordinance, so he shall do;
you shall have one statute, both for the alien and for the native of the land.

Numbers 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you
and for the alien who sojourns with you,
a perpetual statute throughout your generations;
as you are, so shall the alien be before the LORD.
16 There is to be one law and one ordinance for you
and for the alien who sojourns with you.

And while we're at it, let's not forget what the Bible says about ILLEGAL immigrants:

John 10:1 (Jesus said,) Truly, truly, I say to you,
he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep,
but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

[tac]

Good luck with that!

[cubedemon]

Leftists like to cite the Bible's admonitions to welcome strangers,
but they never mention the Bible's policy that
strangers who come to live with us are OBLIGATED to live by OUR laws!

If and only if the kingdom's law(s) is aligned with God's laws. 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%203&version=MSG

and

The Nuremberg Trials.

and

The book of revelation says we are not to worship the beast, his graven image,  or take his mark.

[Charliemyboy]

Leftists like to cite the Bible's admonitions to welcome strangers,
but they never mention the Bible's policy that
strangers who come to live with us are OBLIGATED to live by OUR laws!

Here are a few passages:

Exodus 12:49
The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you.

Numbers 9:14
If an alien sojourns among you and observes the Passover to the LORD,
according to the statute of the Passover and according to its ordinance, so he shall do;
you shall have one statute, both for the alien and for the native of the land.

Numbers 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you
and for the alien who sojourns with you,
a perpetual statute throughout your generations;
as you are, so shall the alien be before the LORD.
16 There is to be one law and one ordinance for you
and for the alien who sojourns with you.

And while we're at it, let's not forget what the Bible says about ILLEGAL immigrants:

John 10:1 (Jesus said,) Truly, truly, I say to you,
he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep,
but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

This country is not run by the directives of the bible, thank goodness.  Some of the stories in the Old Testament are just as horrifying as those in the Quran.  I don't think it is lawful to tie your child to some rock (Some say it was the Ka'aba) and prepare to kill him until the directive arrived from on high countermanding that first order.  The first documented incident of child abuse. Are we to use an innocent child to expiate our own sins? That did and Islam does.   Do we want slavery to return--the instance of Naomi being used as a breeder, rather like livestock.  And then there's Lot who offered his daughters as sacrifices to be gang raped to save those men being raped in Sodom. although Lot later had sex with them himself after they got him drunk.  Do we want incest legalized?  Do we want laws that permit this? Let's not bring any religion into this fight against Islam, as Islam is not a religion at all, but a system of government.  Many of the directives in the New Testament are compassionate and humanistic.  If I had to live by a religion under penalty of prison it would be Christianity as preached in the New Testament,  but I have no need for it.  I do not fear a hell in the hereafter because I don't believe there is one and therefore no pie in the sky when I die to frighten me into living with kindness and charity.

[carlb]

This country is not run by the directives of the bible, thank goodness.  Some of the stories in the Old Testament are just as horrifying as those in the Quran.  I don't think it is lawful to tie your child to some rock (Some say it was the Ka'aba) and prepare to kill him until the directive arrived from on high countermanding that first order.  The first documented incident of child abuse. Are we to use an innocent child to expiate our own sins? That did and Islam does.   Do we want slavery to return--the instance of Naomi being used as a breeder, rather like livestock.  And then there's Lot who offered his daughters as sacrifices to be gang raped to save those men being raped in Sodom. although Lot later had sex with them himself after they got him drunk.  Do we want incest legalized?  Do we want laws that permit this? Let's not bring any religion into this fight against Islam, as Islam is not a religion at all, but a system of government.  Many of the directives in the New Testament are compassionate and humanistic.  If I had to live by a religion under penalty of prison it would be Christianity as preached in the New Testament,  but I have no need for it.  I do not fear a hell in the hereafter because I don't believe there is one and therefore no pie in the sky when I die to frighten me into living with kindness and charity.

MOST of what youre criticizing in the Bible is from a false premise.

Because the Bible RECORDS an incident, doesn't mean it has God's blessing. When books of our day record the 50 million babies dismembered in the womb, that doesn't mean it has the author's approval.  It would help if you actually read the Book with an open mind before throbbing out naive opinions.

BTW, do you know how old Isaac was at the time of that incident?  Jesus died willingly at age 33. Isaac represented Jesus' future sacrifice. Jesus did this WILLINGLY. Do you understand where I'm going?

[cubedemon]

MOST of what youre criticizing in the Bible is from a false premise.

Because the Bible RECORDS an incident, doesn't mean it has God's blessing. When books of our day record the 50 million babies dismembered in the womb, that doesn't mean it has the author's approval.  It would help if you actually read the Book with an open mind before throbbing out naive opinions.

BTW, do you know how old Isaac was at the time of that incident?  Jesus died willingly at age 33. Isaac represented Jesus' future sacrifice. Jesus did this WILLINGLY. Do you understand where I'm going?

How do we know what does and does not have God's blessing? 

How do we make sure we're reading this book in the way its supposed to be read?  How do we make sure we're not our own false prophet?

It would help if you actually read the Book with an open mind before throbbing out naive opinions.

How?  How do we read what is perfect and divine from our own fleshly, sinful and carnal nature especially if some  people have problems with the context and subtext of our own everyday speak of 2015?

[carlb]

Here's more about the false belief that Isaac was a child being abused by a crazy old man who heard voices in his head (that's what you're saying)

Several commentators have weighed in on this question. Leupold wrote: "He may by this time have arrived at the age of some eighteen to twenty years" (1942, 1:625). Josephus stated: "Now Isaac was twenty-five years old" (1.13.2). Adam Clarke said: "t is more probable that he was now about thirty-three" (1:140, emp. in orig.). Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown asserted that Isaac was "then upwards of twenty years of age" (n.d., p. 29). J. Curtis Manor described him as "a youth of sufficient strength and agility to carry a load of firewood up a mountainside" (1994, p. 103). Keil and Delitzsch affirmed that "this son had grown into a young man" (1976, 1:248). Morris added: "[T]he meaning in Isaac's case should also be 'young man' " (1976, p. 373).

We conclude that as the several lines of evidence converge, they point to Isaac being a young man—not a young boy.

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1272

I personsally believe this one since God asked him to sacrifice his only son  because God wanted the "Father of the Faithful (Abraham) to understand what God was going to do for all humanity.

[kroz]

This country is not run by the directives of the bible, thank goodness.  Some of the stories in the Old Testament are just as horrifying as those in the Quran.  I don't think it is lawful to tie your child to some rock (Some say it was the Ka'aba) and prepare to kill him until the directive arrived from on high countermanding that first order.  The first documented incident of child abuse. Are we to use an innocent child to expiate our own sins? That did and Islam does.   Do we want slavery to return--the instance of Naomi being used as a breeder, rather like livestock.  And then there's Lot who offered his daughters as sacrifices to be gang raped to save those men being raped in Sodom. although Lot later had sex with them himself after they got him drunk.  Do we want incest legalized?  Do we want laws that permit this? Let's not bring any religion into this fight against Islam, as Islam is not a religion at all, but a system of government.  Many of the directives in the New Testament are compassionate and humanistic.  If I had to live by a religion under penalty of prison it would be Christianity as preached in the New Testament,  but I have no need for it.  I do not fear a hell in the hereafter because I don't believe there is one and therefore no pie in the sky when I die to frighten me into living with kindness and charity.

You obviously have some knowledge of the Bible.

However, you have just enough knowledge to be dangerous with it.  You rip scripture out of context and do not understand what you read.  As a result you present a warped picture of God's infallible word.

Scripture tells us that the Holy Spirit enlightens us to the truth as we read God's word.  He is our teacher.  Unbelievers do not possess the indwelling Spirit of God and they are therefore unable to discern truth..... which produces the hodgepodge of innuendoes in your post.

You have every right to believe whatever you chose to believe.  I will not attempt to persuade you otherwise.  It would be an exercise in futility.

But please try to refrain from quoting scripture.  You have proven yourself to be a poor apologist for biblical truth.

[cubedemon]

MOST of what youre criticizing in the Bible is from a false premise.

Because the Bible RECORDS an incident, doesn't mean it has God's blessing. When books of our day record the 50 million babies dismembered in the womb, that doesn't mean it has the author's approval.  It would help if you actually read the Book with an open mind before throbbing out naive opinions.

BTW, do you know how old Isaac was at the time of that incident?  Jesus died willingly at age 33. Isaac represented Jesus' future sacrifice. Jesus did this WILLINGLY. Do you understand where I'm going?

I can say this just as well.  Because the Bible RECORDS an incident, doesn't mean it does not have God's blessing.  Therein lies the problem.  It only records the incident.  It doesn't give God's opinion at all.  How do we know either way.

God is perfect and he is perfection.   His word is inerrant and free from error.  Man is filled with error and sin.  There are false prophets.  Jesus died for our sins.     I choose to believe these as truth and since I'm a man I'm filled with error and sin.

Since we're filled with error and sin how can we reliably discern the true prophets (including you Kroz and carl) from the false prophets?  How can we discern what enlightenment comes from God, Satan, or deception that comes from ourselves?   Answer:  We can't.  Only God can and he chooses whom he will save and whom he doesn't and he chooses whom he will enlighten or not.

[kroz]

I can say this just as well.  Because the Bible RECORDS an incident, doesn't mean it does not have God's blessing.  Therein lies the problem.  It only records the incident.  It doesn't give God's opinion at all.  How do we know either way.

God is perfect and he is perfection.   His word is inerrant and free from error.  Man is filled with error and sin.  There are false prophets.  Jesus died for our sins.     I choose to believe these as truth and since I'm a man I'm filled with error and sin.

Since we're filled with error and sin how can we reliably discern the true prophets (including you Kroz and carl) from the false prophets?  How can we discern what enlightenment comes from God, Satan, or deception that comes from ourselves?   Answer:  We can't.  Only God can and he chooses whom he will save and whom he doesn't and he chooses whom he will enlighten or not.

There are many passages in the NT that instruct us about discerning false teachers.  In fact I have just been studying a very good one.  It is the first epistle of John... written when he was a very old man.  He lived long enough to see the emergence of many false teachers.  He devotes this entire letter to the subject.

Please read it Cube and tell me what you think.

[cubedemon]

There are many passages in the NT that instruct us about discerning false teachers.  In fact I have just been studying a very good one.  It is the first epistle of John... written when he was a very old man.  He lived long enough to see the emergence of many false teachers.  He devotes this entire letter to the subject.

Please read it Cube and tell me what you think.

Is this what you're talking about?  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+1

When I read the passages in the bible I'm afraid to misinterpret it.  I know all to well how one can misinterpret something due to my aspergers.    So, I'm always forced to question my interpretation on things.  My wisdom and understanding when compared to others is limited compared to others.  If  was wise than I could interpret the bible easily amongst other things but I cannot so I'm not wise.

[kroz]

Is this what you're talking about?  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+1

When I read the passages in the bible I'm afraid to misinterpret it.  I know all to well how one can misinterpret something due to my aspergers.    So, I'm always forced to question my interpretation on things.

No, that is the Gospel of John.

He also wrote three letters which are near the end of thee NT..... just before Jude and Revelation.

It is I John that is about false teachers.

[kit saginaw]

It is I John that is about false teachers.

True, but 2: 15-17 is more-or-less just John's opinion...  If God lives through us, we marvel at landscapes, animals, and situations of love, etc.  We experience things for Him, created in His likeness... so we create art. 

As for immigrants, we assist them in our presence if they're in-trouble.  That's it.     

[kroz]

True, but 2: 15-17 is more-or-less just John's opinion...  If God lives through us, we marvel at landscapes, animals, and situations of love, etc.  We experience things for Him, created in His likeness... so we create art. 

As for immigrants, we assist them in our presence if they're in-trouble.  That's it.     

kit, I have great respect for your opinion on most issues.  However, when you start diminishing any verse in the bible as "just someone's opinion" then you lose me.  The bible is either the divine word of God in it's entirety (as the scripture claims it is) or you make it virtually worthless by picking and choosing which parts are "inspired by God" and which parts are not.  It is only as strong as it's weakest link.

Having said that, the passage you refer to is merely contrasting the physical to the spiritual aspects of man.  Which has more influence over you?... the things of this world or the things of God?  Know that the things of this world will pass away eventually.  The things of God are eternal.  A false teacher will focus largely upon the things of this world.... money, name it and claim it, God wants you to be rich, ......   Or, you have the teachers like Jeremiah Wright who are full of hatred and anger.  We can know that these teachers are not from God.

[je_freedom]

As for immigrants, we assist them in our presence if they're in-trouble.  That's it.     

Yes, we assist them if they're in trouble,
but not if they're MAKERS of trouble!

If you HELP an evildoer, you ARE an evildoer!

http://biblehub.com/niv/2_john/1.htm

7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh,
   have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
8 Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ
   does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching,
    do not take them into your house or welcome them.
11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.