Bible beliefs

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Quote from: TrumpTrain on May 01, 2020, 07:05:56 PM
I hope you are being sarcastic, right?

Are you having comprehension issues? A troll started this thread, a racist fuckin troll!!!
Go back to the beginning of this shit thread and start over.
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Quote from: TrumpTrain on May 02, 2020, 05:03:53 AM
Do you have Kiss My Ass issues? Because that's what you can do.
Hey dick head, that's my wife you're talking to! No one attacks the sweet lady on this forum EVER!
You unjustly attacked her over something a leftist troll said. Like I said, go back and reread the thread, or are you supporting a Marxist?
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Quote from: TrumpTrain on May 02, 2020, 05:03:53 AM
Do you have Kiss My Ass issues? Because that's what you can do.
Just so you know dumb ass, when you whine to admin that Solar made you butt hurt?  You whined to Solar, the owner! :rolleyes:
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Quote from: Calypso Jones on May 01, 2020, 08:24:12 PM
I have a question for you Toy from your Joseph study.

Did it talk about how Joseph saved Egypt by enslaving all Egyptians.  Yes, they were happy to do it to get food from Joseph's stores of Grain.  How did your study deal with that.

Yes it did.  It covered how Pharaoh had the two dreams representing 7 years of good and 7 years of famine.  It explained that during the 7 years of good grain was stored (in abundance) for the 7 years of famine.  During the 7 years of famine the Egyptians paid first with silver, then their livestock, and finally they offered themselves and their land.  It was survival and Pharaoh was the one who profited from the arrangement as it was his stores of grain not Josephs.

Toy 
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Quote from: TrumpTrain on May 02, 2020, 04:11:07 AM
I'm not! It's the thread topic for Pete's sake. I am just curious. Can't I be curious about something without that something being my main focus?

I should ask my clergy why Jews in Israel are white? That's stupid. Why the hell would I ask him that.

You know what? Take your rude crap and shove it.  I have a theology library of hundreds of books and I have studied theology and the Bible for years, so don't talk down to me.

First - From your original question it did seem your main focus.
Second -  I was raised to ask someone more knowledgeable (my Pastor) about biblical questions I did not understand.
Third - I wasn't being rude I just figured this wasn't the thread to go into the story of Joseph.

I am not sure why you decided to go into profanity and to accuse me of something when you don't know me or any possible motive I might have.  If you have hundreds of books and studied theology and the Bible for years then maybe you should already have the answer to your own question.

Toy  :smile:
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Quote from: Calypso Jones on May 01, 2020, 08:21:58 PM
Might find this interesting.  GotQuestions.org

Question: "Who were the sons of Noah, and what happened to them and their descendants?"

Answer: Noah had three sons born to him, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, before God sent a flood to destroy the world (Genesis 5:32). Whenever the names of Noah's three sons are recorded, Shem is always mentioned first (e.g., Genesis 9:18; 10:2, 21), even though Shem was the second-born (the Bible often lists people according to prominence rather than age). Japheth was the oldest (Genesis 10:21), and Ham was the youngest (Genesis 9:24).

Japheth was born when Noah was 500 years old, and the flood came 100 years later (Genesis 7:6–7). Since Shem was 100 two years after the flood (Genesis 11:10), he must have been born when Noah was 502 years old. There is no record of when Ham was born other than the fact that he was born sometime after Shem (Genesis 9:24).

"Shem was the ancestor of all the sons of Eber" (Genesis 10:21), and this is important because the word Eber is the origin of the Hebrew word for "Hebrew." The word Shem means "name," which implies that Noah expected this son's name to become great. He was right—the modern words Semitic and Semite are derived from Shem's name. The Bible records that Shem had five sons: Elam, Ashur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram (Genesis 10:22). Shem lived to be 600 years of age (Genesis 11:10–11) and became the ancestor of the Semitic peoples (Genesis 10:1, 21–31). Abraham, a descendant of Shem, is the first person in the Bible who is referred to as a "Hebrew" (Genesis 14:13).

Noah blessed Shem above his brothers (Genesis 9:26–27), and it was through Shem that the promised seed destined to crush Satan came (Genesis 3:15). That seed is traced back to Adam's son Seth (Genesis 5:1–32), through Shem, and on to Abraham, Judah, and David, leading all the way to Christ (Luke 3:36).

Shem's son Elam was the father of the Elamites, who later settled east of Mesopotamia. Shem's son Ashur, whose name is related to the word Assyria, is most likely is the father of those who settled the ancient region of Assyria (Genesis 2:14). Arphaxad is thought by many scholars to be a compound form of the Hebrew word for "Chaldea," which was a region in southern Mesopotamia (Genesis 11:10–13). It was through Arphaxad that Eber came. Scholars believe that the descendants of Shem's son Lud became known as the Lydians of Asia Minor. And Aram is identified by Bible scholars with the area northeast of the Promised Land, known today as Syria (cf. 2 Kings 16:6). The sons of Aram are listed in Genesis 10:23. Of Aram's sons, Uz is later referred to in the book of Job (Job 1:1).

Noah's firstborn son, Japheth, is listed as the father of Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras (Genesis 10:2). Their descendants became the people who lived to the north and west of Israel and, after Babel, spoke what today are classified as Indo-European languages.

In blessing his son Japheth, Noah said, "May God extend Japheth's territory; / may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, / and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth" (Genesis 9:27). There are two schools of thought regarding what this prophecy about Japheth means.

Some scholars are of the opinion that the enlargement of Japheth's territory refers to a great numerical increase of his descendants. The comment "may Japheth live in the tents of Shem" means that Japheth will share in the blessings of Shem. According to this view, there was to be a time when God worked primarily with Shem (the people of Israel), but later Japheth would be brought into connection with the faith of Israel to share Israel's blessings. A similar prophecy is evident in the Abrahamic Covenant, when God promises to bless all nations through Abraham's seed (Genesis 12:3). The fulfillment is found in Christ and in the gospel coming to the Gentiles at the inception of the church (Acts 15:7; Romans 15:16; Galatians 2:2). Other scholars are of the opinion that the extension of Japheth's territory refers to territorial enlargement, and living "in the tents of Shem" is the conquest of the Semites' territory by Japhethites. According to this view, the fulfillment was the Greek and Roman conquests of Israel.

Ham, the youngest of Noah's three sons, had four sons: Cush, Mizraim (Hebrew for "Egypt"), Put, and Canaan (Genesis 10:6; 1 Chronicles 1:8). Egypt was later called the "land of Ham" (Psalm 78:51; 105:23; 106:22). The Hamitic peoples are shown in Genesis 10:6–20 as becoming a godless and worldly power. It was the land of Israel that was assigned to Ham's son, Canaan, and for centuries it was under the control of the Egyptians. Ham is the father of the Arabians, Canaanites, and Africans, including the Egyptians. Due to Ham's sin against his father (Genesis 9:20–25), Noah cursed Canaan, saying Canaan would be a servant to Shem (Genesis 9:26). This was fulfilled centuries later when the Israelites entered the land of Canaan and subdued the inhabitants of that land (1 Kings 9:20–21).

Recommended Resource: Bible Answers for Almost all Your Questions by Elmer Towns

Calypso - Thanks for this information.  My sisters and I do a weekly Bible study (We had just finished Joseph.) and I commented at the very beginning that the study was not the Bible School version I had as a child.  :lol:  I plan on tucking this away along with the link for future studies we will do.  Genesis was always hard for me... too many begats. 

Thanks again.

Toy
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Wow. I haven't been to this forum in...maybe six years? And this is first moderator report I get.  :laugh:

How y'all doing?  :popcorn:

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Quote from: JustKari on May 02, 2020, 06:53:21 AM
Wow. I haven't been to this forum in...maybe six years? And this is first moderator report I get.  :laugh:

How y'all doing?  :popcorn:
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Quote from: TrumpTrain on May 01, 2020, 07:05:56 PM
I hope you are being sarcastic, right?

Wait a minute::L God called Abraham, and then skip a few chapters and then we have the twelve tribes, the Hebrews, slaves in Egypt, set free, went to the promised land, then comes the Kingdom of David, skip a few chapters, then Jesus, then 2,000 years later today.

So again, why are most Jews white?

And I am not racist, it is a serious question. I never understood it.

NOTE: I do know that there are Jews in North Africa, including Morocco, Algeria, Libya, and Tunisia, as well as Sudan and Egypt. I understand that they descend from a certain tribe. But other than that all the ones in Israel look white.

OK, I owe you an apology. When you posted I, for whatever reason, clicked the wrong post. It was a succession time thing, as replies came in, I was expecting his response and clicked yours by mistake.
Shit happens, my bad.
I probably should have deleted this thread in the first place, it's shit like this that makes them happy, they are losers without a life.
And yes, it was an honest question, one he can't answer.

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maybe we can put a fork in this one..... :smile:

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Quote from: drifter106 on May 02, 2020, 01:23:14 PM
maybe we can put a fork in this one..... :smile:
You mean Zouave?  :biggrin:
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Quote from: Solars Toy on May 02, 2020, 06:01:20 AM
Yes it did.  It covered how Pharaoh had the two dreams representing 7 years of good and 7 years of famine.  It explained that during the 7 years of good grain was stored (in abundance) for the 7 years of famine.  During the 7 years of famine the Egyptians paid first with silver, then their livestock, and finally they offered themselves and their land.  It was survival and Pharaoh was the one who profited from the arrangement as it was his stores of grain not Josephs.

Toy

thanks for that...I didn't state my question clearly.  Here's what I was getting at.....the enslaving of the people...even if Egyptian... He enslaved them for Pharoah.  I know that they did not consider slavery the same as we do today.   I have difficulty accepting Joseph's enslavement of these people even if on paper, as right in terms of my viewing slavery in any capacity today.
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I think I may have done a Joseph study or at least part of one.   Joseph attitude in youth that made his brothers so angry at him AND his favored position with his father Jacob.    I think Joseph was a snotty arrogant spoiled brat of a kid, even though he grew into a better person.    That only Joseph and Jacob had Egyptian funereal procedures done on them.   Which really doesn't amount to much seeing as the end is the same, but still. 

I would also like to understand the situation of Reuben having intercourse with Jacob's slave wife, Bilhah, Rachel's maid.     

And it gives me hope the genealogical descent of Jesus.   Reuben...fourth son of Leah..the unloved wife.    What sadness in her life and yet it is her son Judah that has the honor of being the line of Jesus.   Isn't that awesome.
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Quote from: Calypso Jones on May 02, 2020, 01:40:28 PM
I think I may have done a Joseph study or at least part of one.   Joseph attitude in youth that made his brothers so angry at him AND his favored position with his father Jacob.    I think Joseph was a snotty arrogant spoiled brat of a kid, even though he grew into a better person.    That only Joseph and Jacob had Egyptian funereal procedures done on them.   Which really doesn't amount to much seeing as the end is the same, but still. 

I would also like to understand the situation of Reuben having intercourse with Jacob's slave wife, Bilhah, Rachel's maid.     

And it gives me hope the genealogical descent of Jesus.   Reuben...fourth son of Leah..the unloved wife.    What sadness in her life and yet it is her son Judah that has the honor of being the line of Jesus.   Isn't that awesome.

When we first went into the study it explained the mess that it was. 

Jacob loved Rachel and was tricked into marrying Leah (by their Dad).  He then works 7 more years and gets to marry the woman he loved Rachel  But then Rachel wasn't having any babies and Leah was producing sons  So Rachel gave her servant Bilah to Jacob to have a child she could raise as her own.  Then Leah, who had stopped having children, gave her servant Zilpah to Jacob to have more children.  Finally God remembers Rachel and gives her a child, Joseph.  At this point it becomes even more apparent that Rachel and Joseph were the loved favorites of Jacob (and Benjamin).  Of course Jacob protects and lavishes gifts on Joseph (the coat) and when he was around 17 years old God gave him 2 dreams that would indicate that one day he would be over his family.

So Leah had 6 sons; Rachel had 2 sons; Bilah had 2 sons; and Zilpah had 2 sons.   And yes Judah was the line through which Christ came from.

A lot of children, a lot of favoritism by Jacob....  Toy
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Quote from: Calypso Jones on May 02, 2020, 01:40:28 PM
I think I may have done a Joseph study or at least part of one.   Joseph attitude in youth that made his brothers so angry at him AND his favored position with his father Jacob.    I think Joseph was a snotty arrogant spoiled brat of a kid, even though he grew into a better person.    That only Joseph and Jacob had Egyptian funereal procedures done on them.   Which really doesn't amount to much seeing as the end is the same, but still. 


With all due respect, you did apply the word "study" and I would like to know the source of your information to portray Joseph as you did; "think Joseph was a snotty arrogant spoil brat of a kid..."
The story of Joseph is taken from the Old Testament, which is considered to be God's infallible Word for those of the Christian Faith. By what measure do you render your assessment of Joseph's character?