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Offline Yawn

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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2013, 05:56:11 PM »
I won't debate endlessly, or even ther other points you made, but how can you reject the BIBLICAL definition of sin: "Sin IS..."  That isn't from 1Carl (my name), but 1 John.

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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2013, 06:01:55 PM »
On second thought, I will address your other point.

The Scriptures refer to the Commandments as God's Law of LOVE.

The first 4 tell you how you express your love for your Creator (you shall have nop other gods, you shall not take His Name in vain, Remember the SABBATH (not Satan's Day), etc). The next 6 tell you how to express your love for your fellow Man (you shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor ... etc).

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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2013, 06:07:50 PM »
I won't debate endlessly, or even ther other points you made, but how can you reject the BIBLICAL definition of sin: "Sin IS..."  That isn't from 1Carl (my name), but 1 John.

So...Adam and Eve didn't sin then; since they had no knowledge of right and wrong.

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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2013, 07:01:52 PM »
On second thought, I will address your other point.

The Scriptures refer to the Commandments as God's Law of LOVE.

The first 4 tell you how you express your love for your Creator (you shall have nop other gods, you shall not take His Name in vain, Remember the SABBATH (not Satan's Day), etc). The next 6 tell you how to express your love for your fellow Man (you shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor ... etc).


Just curious

I would like to know when is satan's day.  That way I will see if I can sleep through it.    At my age ever day is satan's day.   Don't do that, don't say that, don't eat that, don't look at that, don't feel that way.  That is just my good wife.   :lol:    Then you have my 4 doctors.   :ohmy:
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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2013, 08:37:38 PM »
We KNOW what day God gave Man to observe as a memorial of His work of Creation. It is the Day Jesus observed and the apostles and all of the prophets.

We also know that Satan, in his rebellion, put himself FIRST, above God.  Those should be clues enough for "those who have ears to hear."

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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2013, 09:26:59 PM »
We KNOW what day God gave Man to observe as a memorial of His work of Creation. It is the Day Jesus observed and the apostles and all of the prophets.

We also know that Satan, in his rebellion, put himself FIRST, above God.  Those should be clues enough for "those who have ears to hear."


All you had to say is, I don't know.  I didn't ask how to build a watch.
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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2013, 01:40:55 PM »
We KNOW what day God gave Man to observe as a memorial of His work of Creation. It is the Day Jesus observed and the apostles and all of the prophets.

We also know that Satan, in his rebellion, put himself FIRST, above God.  Those should be clues enough for "those who have ears to hear."

Well, except that the disciples met together on "the Lord's Day"; in fact, Jewish followers of Jesus would meet at the Temple and then congregate together uniquely the next day.  When gentiles became followers, they didn't participate in Jewish worship but met only with other followers of Jesus on "the Lord's Day."  Nowhere in scripture is the Sabbath called "the Lord's Day."

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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2013, 07:23:48 PM »
Well, except that the disciples met together on "the Lord's Day"; in fact, Jewish followers of Jesus would meet at the Temple and then congregate together uniquely the next day.  When gentiles became followers, they didn't participate in Jewish worship but met only with other followers of Jesus on "the Lord's Day."  Nowhere in scripture is the Sabbath called "the Lord's Day."


Then there was all that time lost before leap years, and after leap years.
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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2013, 06:37:56 PM »
So...Adam and Eve didn't sin then; since they had no knowledge of right and wrong.

Are you really that illiterate?

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 2 15:17


I don't know about you, but I'm going to go under the assumption that doing something that the All Powerful Lord of All Creation tells you NOT to do, is wrong!

I'm just funny that way...
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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2013, 07:28:34 AM »
Are you really that illiterate?

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 2 15:17


I don't know about you, but I'm going to go under the assumption that doing something that the All Powerful Lord of All Creation tells you NOT to do, is wrong!

I'm just funny that way...

Well, it wasn't "wrong" in a moral sense.  Without "good and evil" what is morality?  It's "wrong"--but in what way?

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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2013, 06:02:16 PM »
Well, except that the disciples met together on "the Lord's Day"; in fact, Jewish followers of Jesus would meet at the Temple and then congregate together uniquely the next day.  When gentiles became followers, they didn't participate in Jewish worship but met only with other followers of Jesus on "the Lord's Day."  Nowhere in scripture is the Sabbath called "the Lord's Day."

Shabbat Shalom "Made for Adsense"

Please provide the scriptural references that the Church abandoned the Sabbath for Satan's SUNday. Then we can discuss it.

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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2013, 07:37:55 PM »
Shabbat Shalom "Made for Adsense"

Please provide the scriptural references that the Church abandoned the Sabbath for Satan's SUNday. Then we can discuss it.

Historical evidence.

Please provide scriptural references that Sunday is "Satan's day."

"...do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.  These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ" (Colossians 2:16-17).

Really...the first day of creation was "Satan's day"?  The day of Christ's resurrection was "Satan's day"?

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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2013, 07:53:47 PM »
"...do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.  These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ" (Colossians 2:16-17).

The apostle was talking to Gentile CONVERTS who had abandoned their pagan days and festivals (Saturnalia, Ishtar etc), and began observing the Christian Sabbath, the Holy Days (Passover, Pentecost, Trumpets, Tabernacles). The apostle was encouraging them to not accept the judgment of the pagans who judged them for abandoning their former practices for the Sabbath, the New Moon and the Holy days, just as I reject your judgment for observing the Days Yeshua, the disciples and all of the prophets observed.

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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2013, 08:07:02 PM »
Historical evidence.

Please provide scriptural references that Sunday is "Satan's day."

Really...the first day of creation was "Satan's day"?  The day of Christ's resurrection was "Satan's day"?


You (Satan) said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars (angels) of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north -- Isaiah

Satan rebelled against God, and has always HATED God's Sabbath. He has deceived the whole world into believing they are worshiping God, but it is only a counterfeit. The SABBATH is God's TEST Commandment. It is the one Commandment that most professing "christians" REJECT and refuse to obey. God's Sabbath is at the end of the week. Satan has substituted God's Sabbath for his day, the FIRST day of the week.

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In a further attempt to destroy God’s Plan, Satan has attempted to change the days on which we should worship. That is why some may say that we must worship God on Sunday. Anciently, people worshipped the sun because it was a thing that they could see and they knew the sun was important to keep them and their crops alive. They worshipped the sun on Sunday. From the second century, Sunday worship was introduced in Rome alongside Sabbath worship. In about the 3rd to 4th century, some people tried to change the Sabbath to Sunday and they convinced others of this lie. http://www.ccg.org/english/c/cb023.html


You have still not shown me where the day of worship of the true God was changed, or "proof" that the Church ever changed the day (until the Catholic Church -- the counterfeit church -- made thew change hundreds of years after the death and resurrection of Christ).

The true Church follows Yeshua (Jesus). The Great Counterfeit Church followed Simon Magus. The Daughters of this Church (the Protestants) also follow Simon Magus (the Sorcerer)

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Re: America Was Not Founded Upon Godly Principles.
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2013, 05:23:36 AM »
You (Satan) said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars (angels) of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north -- Isaiah

Satan rebelled against God, and has always HATED God's Sabbath. He has deceived the whole world into believing they are worshiping God, but it is only a counterfeit. The SABBATH is God's TEST Commandment. It is the one Commandment that most professing "christians" REJECT and refuse to obey. God's Sabbath is at the end of the week. Satan has substituted God's Sabbath for his day, the FIRST day of the week.

You have still not shown me where the day of worship of the true God was changed, or "proof" that the Church ever changed the day (until the Catholic Church -- the counterfeit church -- made thew change hundreds of years after the death and resurrection of Christ).

The true Church follows Yeshua (Jesus). The Great Counterfeit Church followed Simon Magus. The Daughters of this Church (the Protestants) also follow Simon Magus (the Sorcerer)

Rather than trying to figure out what's what in the Bible, why not make every day God's day?

You are demonstrating what I don't like about religion....................ALL of them claim to be right. :mad:

 

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