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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2013, 07:44:14 AM »
Sure Nixon took the blame. Nobody remembers that democrats were the racists of the country, or that Kennedy and Johnson escalated Vietnam, either.
Being one that watches social trends, I don't see laws as having that big of an impact on society, unless they are specifically pissing off certain segments.

An example would be the scourge of crack cocaine. It was public enemy #1 for awhile; but it wasn't harsh laws that caused a major decline in it's use, it was the fact that it left people completely mindless, if it didn't kill them.

As long as we're in the religion forum, I'd say that God plays a hand in things too. Take the sexual promiscuity that marked the 70's. I can't help that think that the sudden emergence of herpes was not accidental. When that didn't do much good, along came HIV and AIDS, seemingly out of nowhere, and lo and behold....it hit the gays the hardest. Coincidence?

I know that the left still pushes promiscuity, homosexuality and Godlessness as a platform. Here's the problem: The things that the left pushes have very real and nasty consequences. As hard as the left pushes, as the negative aspects of their belief system come to fruition, society becomes self correcting.

So, while I don't think social conservatism is unimportant, I think it would have much more impact if it was presented as a common sense individual choice, rather than a demand that is made through the creation of more laws.

Take drugs for example:

My way, would be to explain to kids, from a young age, that drugs are out there, and that getting involved in them leads to depression, suicide, homelessness, prostitution and all kinds of ugly things, along with examples of people that had lost everything because of them.

Your way, would be to say---I don't like drugs, therefore I will push for laws to be passed to make sure you don't use them; and if you do use them and get caught, I want to make sure you go to prison for it.

Different strokes for different folks.
No, we don't need new laws, and personally I believe it should be left to the states.
My point is, we don't need to surrender to behavior that is destructive to society as a whole.

It's funny in a way, our society learned long ago that drugs were bad and extremely destructive to family/community, but the left has been pervasive in their pursuit of our destruction. They know quite well to attack on all fronts.
All we ever do is run in after the fact, only to get blamed as intolerant of personal behavior.
 Were at a crossroads, we can easily focus on fiscal issues and ignore the rest of the war that has us surrounded, or we can continue to speak out against things that damage and fragment our society.

Take Religion, are you willing to concede worship to the left, or are you willing to fight for that?
The point is, the 60s saw what was happening and tried to fight, but essentially lost and look at the results, we now have a Marxist in office.
No, I'm not saying there a direct correlation, it's just one of the symptoms of a bigger problem, liberalism fights us on all fronts, we need to be more preemptive in protecting our beliefs, just conceding on several fronts will simply give them an even stronger grip on society and drugs is one of them.

You seem to be under the illusion that some drugs are OK, but where will you draw the line?
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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2013, 12:47:29 PM »
No, we don't need new laws, and personally I believe it should be left to the states.
My point is, we don't need to surrender to behavior that is destructive to society as a whole.

It's funny in a way, our society learned long ago that drugs were bad and extremely destructive to family/community, but the left has been pervasive in their pursuit of our destruction. They know quite well to attack on all fronts.
All we ever do is run in after the fact, only to get blamed as intolerant of personal behavior.
 Were at a crossroads, we can easily focus on fiscal issues and ignore the rest of the war that has us surrounded, or we can continue to speak out against things that damage and fragment our society.

Take Religion, are you willing to concede worship to the left, or are you willing to fight for that?
The point is, the 60s saw what was happening and tried to fight, but essentially lost and look at the results, we now have a Marxist in office.
No, I'm not saying there a direct correlation, it's just one of the symptoms of a bigger problem, liberalism fights us on all fronts, we need to be more preemptive in protecting our beliefs, just conceding on several fronts will simply give them an even stronger grip on society and drugs is one of them.

You seem to be under the illusion that some drugs are OK, but where will you draw the line?

It doesn't have anything to do with drugs; although I think that attempting to do battle on keeping pot a felony for simple possession is a losing one. Besides, there is no line, it doesn't matter what I think. Drugs are as available to anyone that wants them, as they ever were, maybe more so. Illegality has prevented or stopped nothing.

I'm not just interested in beating liberals back; I want educated people to be making educated decisions on their own, regardless of if drugs are legal or not. People that are able to look at the option of using drugs, and not seeing them as a viable option in their lives, will be rational, thinking people. Rational, thinking people, will not be voting for democrats. They will have a natural inclination towards conservatism.

In other words, I don't want a conservative government to force people into accepting socially conservative morals. I want people that embrace conservatism on their own, once it's explained to them. When that happens, it doesn't take threats, and they will have become conservatives forever.

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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2013, 01:29:00 PM »
It doesn't have anything to do with drugs; although I think that attempting to do battle on keeping pot a felony for simple possession is a losing one. Besides, there is no line, it doesn't matter what I think. Drugs are as available to anyone that wants them, as they ever were, maybe more so. Illegality has prevented or stopped nothing.

I'm not just interested in beating liberals back; I want educated people to be making educated decisions on their own, regardless of if drugs are legal or not. People that are able to look at the option of using drugs, and not seeing them as a viable option in their lives, will be rational, thinking people. Rational, thinking people, will not be voting for democrats. They will have a natural inclination towards conservatism.

In other words, I don't want a conservative government to force people into accepting socially conservative morals. I want people that embrace conservatism on their own, once it's explained to them. When that happens, it doesn't take threats, and they will have become conservatives forever.
I wonder if this would even be an issue if the borders had been closed 50 years ago?
I believe many of the ills the country suffers can easily be traced to illegals entering the country, even Husein may have never been allowed as a child to enter if we had a serious immigration policy in place.
Even the drug issue would be nowhere near as bad as it is today.

I agree making a roach a felony was pretty extreme, but it was the states that instituted that law long before the Fed, so it would appear the states knew more about the problem at hand than the Fed at the time.
In fact the Fed had an original tax on weed before they banned it.
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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2013, 01:52:24 PM »
I wonder if this would even be an issue if the borders had been closed 50 years ago?
I believe many of the ills the country suffers can easily be traced to illegals entering the country, even Husein may have never been allowed as a child to enter if we had a serious immigration policy in place.
Even the drug issue would be nowhere near as bad as it is today.

I agree making a roach a felony was pretty extreme, but it was the states that instituted that law long before the Fed, so it would appear the states knew more about the problem at hand than the Fed at the time.
In fact the Fed had an original tax on weed before they banned it.

Well, people have been using intoxicants, for as long as there have been people.

I think the drug problem in the US is two pronged: 1) Drug use has been glamorized by the left, and 2) Drugs have been criminalized by the right.....which has led to an enormous profit motive.

Now that pot's been pretty much legalized in CA, are all kinds of new people smoking it, that weren't before? I doubt it.

I could get weed anytime I wanted. It's not because it's illegal that I don't; I just have absolutely no interest whatsoever. A lot of people play around with pot or other drugs, but a full 90% just stop on their own, they either realize that they don't like the feeling, or they realize it's a dead end street.

I don't know if closed borders would do any good, as far as drugs go. If there is a demand, it will be met. There is so much money involved, that buying off federal agents would be a piece of cake...as I'm sure it is now.

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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2013, 02:14:39 PM »
Well, people have been using intoxicants, for as long as there have been people.

I think the drug problem in the US is two pronged: 1) Drug use has been glamorized by the left, and 2) Drugs have been criminalized by the right.....which has led to an enormous profit motive.

Now that pot's been pretty much legalized in CA, are all kinds of new people smoking it, that weren't before? I doubt it.

I could get weed anytime I wanted. It's not because it's illegal that I don't; I just have absolutely no interest whatsoever. A lot of people play around with pot or other drugs, but a full 90% just stop on their own, they either realize that they don't like the feeling, or they realize it's a dead end street.

I don't know if closed borders would do any good, as far as drugs go. If there is a demand, it will be met. There is so much money involved, that buying off federal agents would be a piece of cake...as I'm sure it is now.
Borders closed would have made it much harder for drugs like heroin, cocaine etc to get across the border, in turn less people would have been exposed to it.
But Ca never legalized weed, you still need a prescription, and yes, younger and younger kids are using it.
And no, it used to be that the left was against drugs as much as the right, that is, until they made it a political issue, as it is today.
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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2013, 02:29:25 PM »
Borders closed would have made it much harder for drugs like heroin, cocaine etc to get across the border, in turn less people would have been exposed to it.
But Ca never legalized weed, you still need a prescription, and yes, younger and younger kids are using it.
And no, it used to be that the left was against drugs as much as the right, that is, until they made it a political issue, as it is today.

I just don't see it so much as a drug problem, as a "stupid" problem. If conservatives could get in power and go to work on stomping out "stupid", which would be done through education on the constititution, a focus on self respect, self reliance, respect for others, a strong work ethic, pride in country, responsibility, etc.; the rest of the problems would evaporate. That would include the drug problem, teenage pregnancy, abortion, and every other crappy thing the left has delivered. Without anything being forced, we would have a nation that is comprised of mostly, responsible individuals. If that could be accomplished, the democrat party wouldn't stand a chance. They thrive on stupid.

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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2013, 03:39:41 PM »
I just don't see it so much as a drug problem, as a "stupid" problem. If conservatives could get in power and go to work on stomping out "stupid", which would be done through education on the constititution, a focus on self respect, self reliance, respect for others, a strong work ethic, pride in country, responsibility, etc.; the rest of the problems would evaporate. That would include the drug problem, teenage pregnancy, abortion, and every other crappy thing the left has delivered. Without anything being forced, we would have a nation that is comprised of mostly, responsible individuals. If that could be accomplished, the democrat party wouldn't stand a chance. They thrive on stupid.
The RINO stand in the way, once we purge the part of the scum, we can begin to repair the Nation.
I think much of the attraction the left has, is balanced by the hatred of the RINO in the party.
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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2013, 04:08:44 PM »
The RINO stand in the way, once we purge the part of the scum, we can begin to repair the Nation.
I think much of the attraction the left has, is balanced by the hatred of the RINO in the party.

The RINOs are only interested in control of the money and power....same as the dems. All them are selling out the country. Watch and see; as 2014 approaches, the RINO will be working hard to rid the party of people like Rand Paul, and any other people that are tea party favorites. Hell, they're already doing it. :cursing:

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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2013, 04:13:49 PM »
The RINOs are only interested in control of the money and power....same as the dems. All them are selling out the country. Watch and see; as 2014 approaches, the RINO will be working hard to rid the party of people like Rand Paul, and any other people that are tea party favorites. Hell, they're already doing it. :cursing:
Yeah, they are trying hard, but I think they know they are on the losing end of the deal, the base is sick to death of the direction they is taking us, it's virtually the same path as Husein, except the RINO are taking the mountain pass to get there, while Husein is using the super socialist slide down the hill.
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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2013, 05:09:11 PM »
Yeah, they are trying hard, but I think they know they are on the losing end of the deal, the base is sick to death of the direction they is taking us, it's virtually the same path as Husein, except the RINO are taking the mountain pass to get there, while Husein is using the super socialist slide down the hill.

So my whole point about the drug thing, the abortion thing, the gay marriage thing, etc., is that if any conservative or republican candidate runs on social issues as a priority, I honestly believe they won't have a chance of winning. It's just my opinion, but I don't think we can afford to have those things on the front burner. It's an uphill battle against the democrats and the entire mainstream media. Sure the dems have brought on all kinds of moral degradation, but if we can't win elections, America completely ceases to exist as it was founded. Once that's gone, it's gone forever.

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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2013, 05:11:51 PM »
So my whole point about the drug thing, the abortion thing, the gay marriage thing, etc., is that if any conservative or republican candidate runs on social issues as a priority, I honestly believe they won't have a chance of winning. It's just my opinion, but I don't think we can afford to have those things on the front burner. It's an uphill battle against the democrats and the entire mainstream media. Sure the dems have brought on all kinds of moral degradation, but if we can't win elections, America completely ceases to exist as it was founded. Once that's gone, it's gone forever.
Not many candidates run using that platform, none in recent memory anyway.
It's those that fall into the leftist media trap allowing themselves to be labeled in that manner.
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« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2013, 02:02:02 AM »
Not many candidates run using that platform, none in recent memory anyway.
It's those that fall into the leftist media trap allowing themselves to be labeled in that manner.

Yep. And that's a big problem. I think Rand Paul has the right idea. Just keep plowing ahead on the out of control government, government spending and the economy. Even then, we might never get the presidency again, with 99% of media distorting the truth to make republicans look bad and democrats look good.

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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2013, 09:58:15 AM »
It's too late to turn back the clock, but I think the approach to drugs should have been to shame people out of using them. If drugs were around, (which they already are), and they were looked at as something that losers do, I think less people would use them. Kind of like picking your nose in public. It's not against the law, but most people just don't do it.

Of course, using drugs is yet another thing that the left has worked hard on, to present as cool.

Hollywood certainly hasn't helped with that.  You're right; it's too late.

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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2013, 08:27:53 PM »
I strongly oppose the consumption of alcohol because nothing good can possibly occur as a result of drinking alcohol. I don't understand why so many people in American society like alcohol so much. In college, my buddies would always be trying to convince me to drink alcohol and they just couldn't comprehend that one could not see the value in drinking alcohol. People always ask me why I don't drink and I tell them that, seeing as drinking is an affirmative act, I should be asking them why they drink. I do something only if I have a reason to do it. I don't think it makes much sense to ask someone why they don't do something when there is no obvious reason that one would naturally want to do that something.

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Re: Alcohol consumption
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2013, 11:34:09 AM »
I strongly oppose the consumption of alcohol because nothing good can possibly occur as a result of drinking alcohol. I don't understand why so many people in American society like alcohol so much. In college, my buddies would always be trying to convince me to drink alcohol and they just couldn't comprehend that one could not see the value in drinking alcohol. People always ask me why I don't drink and I tell them that, seeing as drinking is an affirmative act, I should be asking them why they drink. I do something only if I have a reason to do it. I don't think it makes much sense to ask someone why they don't do something when there is no obvious reason that one would naturally want to do that something.

Very good point,

Coming from a very alcohol focused society, when I say I don't drink alcohol people get very offended.
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