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Well... It depends on the day. Today being Purim, alcohol consumption is encouraged!Of course it helps to be Jewish....But, as this is the first time I have been to this forum in the last hundred years; this is an appropriate topic.A freilichin Purim to all!
I'd probably be considered a heavy drinker by today's standards. 4-5 beers a day after work, (Busch, which is pretty weak), and I'll get pretty lit up on either a Friday or Saturday night, with several whiskey drinks followed by a good bit of beer. It's fun.During the late 60's and early 70's, I was raised in a neighborhood of responsible middle class people, and the weekends were usually floating parties, particularly in the summer. The beers and drinks would flow, and it would usually involve cooking out. The parents drank, and us kids would ride our bikes or play. Nothing terrible ever happened, and on Monday, everybody went back to work.So yeah. I get together with friends on the weekend and get intoxicated. We'll have music playing, sometimes a bon fire, play music, and we'll either cook steaks, steam oysters, or some other yummy food. Driving is strictly prohibited, (no that anyone tries it), and we'll take turns spending the night at whoever's house that is having the gathering. We don't get falling down drunk, but I'd be lying if I said we weren't buzzed. Things are usually wrapped up by midnight.That said, I also know that a lot of people aren't capable of taking a measured and responsible approach to moderate intoxication. If they were, we could take the hardcore libertarian stance, and legalize all drugs tomorrow.
Enjoy reading the different posts,Sounds like a wonderfull neighbourhood and community, Norway does not have this community spirit due to low population density. Though we do have church activities that is somewhat similar (but without the alcohol). If the US economy ever recovers I seriously consider emmigrating.
I was raised in a fairly small subdivision out in a pretty rural area. There really wasn't a lot to do, so our parents made their own fun. There was drinking, but for most, there was also church on Sunday. I never associated social drinking with anything bad, but now that I'm older, I've seen the dark side of both alcohol and drugs. They can definitely be bad, but I think the blame lies with the person and their lack of control, not necessarily the substance used. Much like guns don't kill people; alcohol and drugs don't get bad unless they're abused.
Thats whats so dangerous about socialized healthcare or state subsidized healthcare whatever you want to call it. And this is also something that bothers me ALOT about libertarians-liberals. I agree in the ideal world drugs should be free, but when its the taxpayers who have to put up with the bill, then there is no moral/economic justification for legalization of drugs.In norway you have government heroin clinics, where if you are a registered heroin addict you can get free heroin and free needles. The justification is that it will lead to less crime, but the problem is not punishing/imprisoning them long enough in the first case. And less crime argument is essentially blackmail/terrorim. Give me money or I will commit crime logic.Same with alcohol, it's more socially acceptable because of tradition, but when I have to pay for someone else not being able to handle the liquor then he shouldnt have the right to drink in the first place, because he is not a independent citizen, he is dependent on other peoples money.
I don't think it's a matter of jail time. Drugs and alcohol have been around for a long time, and there were always a few that got addicted. I think the big problems came along when they, (drugs), were made illegal, which glamorized them and made them far more expensive; combined with the liberal midset that crept in, in which no one is responsible for their own actions, or even their own lives.
The libertarians in the Haight thought the same thing about the hippies in the 60s, till they trashed the place.