Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You

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kramarat

Quote from: Solar on March 10, 2013, 02:55:02 PM
Moral relativism is what you're suggesting, and once society collapses, morals have collapsed as well.

That's why the Golden Rule has stood the test of time, it's also why I know if I say hello to someone, I can expect the same courtesy in return.

Quite frankly, it's already been solved.

I was talking to friend of mine today, that leans atheist, and he agreed that the ten commandments are not a bad set of standards to live by, Christian or not.

Combine the ten commandments with the US constitution and bill of rights, and you've got about the best system that humans have ever come up with. For people to actively be working to take them apart, (including our president), is an exercise in stupidity.

Solar

Quote from: kramarat on March 10, 2013, 03:33:52 PM
Quite frankly, it's already been solved.

I was talking to friend of mine today, that leans atheist, and he agreed that the ten commandments are not a bad set of standards to live by, Christian or not.

Combine the ten commandments with the US constitution and bill of rights, and you've got about the best system that humans have ever come up with. For people to actively be working to take them apart, (including our president), is an exercise in stupidity.
Of course, but you'll never convince a lib of that.
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Quote from: kramarat on March 10, 2013, 03:33:52 PM
Quite frankly, it's already been solved.

I was talking to friend of mine today, that leans atheist, and he agreed that the ten commandments are not a bad set of standards to live by, Christian or not.

You mean the LAST HALF. They utterly reject the first 4 (expressed by Yeshua as the Great Commandment, You shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, and mind:

1) You shall have no other gods before Me
2) You shall not make any graven image...You shall not bow down to them nor serve them
3) You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain
4) Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shall you labor and do all your work, but the SEVENTH DAY is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall not do any work.

Heck, most "christians" reject several of these.

kramarat

Quote from: Yawn on March 10, 2013, 06:35:24 PM
You mean the LAST HALF. They utterly reject the first 4 (expressed by Yeshua as the Great Commandment, You shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, and mind:

1) You shall have no other gods before Me
2) You shall not make any graven image...You shall not bow down to them nor serve them
3) You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain
4) Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shall you labor and do all your work, but the SEVENTH DAY is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall not do any work.

Heck, most "christians" reject several of these.

#4 definitely gets bent pretty often. Even my wife's Dad, a retired surgeon, and very devout Christian, had to work on Sundays sometimes. In today's times, there would be no way that everyone could adhere to #4, even if they wanted to.

supsalemgr

Let's not forget the Jews became really upset with Jesus for healing on the sabbath. Personally, I believe it is up to the individual to determine which day is the sabbath in today's world.
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Yawn

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 11, 2013, 05:13:11 AM
Let's not forget the Jews became really upset with Jesus for healing on the sabbath. Personally, I believe it is up to the individual to determine which day is the sabbath in today's world.
It's up to God. He made it clear WHICH day He sanctified and commands a holy convocation. Of course He gives every human being free will and the ability to twist scripture to their own destruction.

supsalemgr

Quote from: Yawn on March 11, 2013, 05:27:11 PM
It's up to God. He made it clear WHICH day He sanctified and commands a holy convocation. Of course He gives every human being free will and the ability to twist scripture to their own destruction.

Which day is it and where is that found?
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kramarat

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 12, 2013, 05:48:06 AM
Which day is it and where is that found?

That's a good question; and not easily answered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath_in_Christianity

As far as making Sunday the rule, it looks like the honors go to the Roman emperor Constantine, and the Catholic church.

Solar

I get a kick out of the way these threads quickly morph into something completely irrelevant.
To think God is going to actually punish someone for not taking a break during the week is ludicrous.

What about the poor village that worked all summer in the fields, taking only the Sabbath for rest, only to lose their crop to an infestation of locust.

Now would God punish those for working through the Sabbath so they can survive winter, or reward those that went above and beyond to help his neighbors survive the winter, all the while ignoring the Sabbath?

I find strict adherence to any Religion ignorant of God's will, and an insult to his gift of life.

Religion was always meant as a guide to life's principles, never a barrier to living one's life.
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Quote from: Solar on March 12, 2013, 06:32:28 AM
I get a kick out of the way these threads quickly morph into something completely irrelevant.
To think God is going to actually punish someone for not taking a break during the week is ludicrous.

What about the poor village that worked all summer in the fields, taking only the Sabbath for rest, only to lose their crop to an infestation of locust.

Now would God punish those for working through the Sabbath so they can survive winter, or reward those that went above and beyond to help his neighbors survive the winter, all the while ignoring the Sabbath?

I find strict adherence to any Religion ignorant of God's will, and an insult to his gift of life.

Religion was always meant as a guide to life's principles, never a barrier to living one's life.

I don't adhere to any specific religion, simply due to the hypocrisy within them, and the disagreements that erupt between them, over the same Bible. It's still interesting to take a look at these things in their historical context though.

supsalemgr

Quote from: Solar on March 12, 2013, 06:32:28 AM
I get a kick out of the way these threads quickly morph into something completely irrelevant.
To think God is going to actually punish someone for not taking a break during the week is ludicrous.

What about the poor village that worked all summer in the fields, taking only the Sabbath for rest, only to lose their crop to an infestation of locust.

Now would God punish those for working through the Sabbath so they can survive winter, or reward those that went above and beyond to help his neighbors survive the winter, all the while ignoring the Sabbath?

I find strict adherence to any Religion ignorant of God's will, and an insult to his gift of life.

Religion was always meant as a guide to life's principles, never a barrier to living one's life.

Exactly. That was my point. Thanks.
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Solar

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 12, 2013, 08:48:45 AM
Exactly. That was my point. Thanks.
And I agreed which is why I expanded upon you point.
I have no problem with Religion in general, it's the zealots I take issue with, or political systems that masquerade as Religion.
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Quote from: Solar on March 12, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
And I agreed which is why I expanded upon you point.
I have no problem with Religion in general, it's the zealots I take issue with, or political systems that masquerade as Religion.

I usually try to stay away from religeous threads because too many times religeon is used as a tool to push other agendas.
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kramarat

I think the point of that commandment, is for us to take time out and remember that it's about God, and not to allow work to supplant God, as the center of our lives.

It ties in with the first three:

1) You shall have no other gods before Me:
There is only one God.


2) You shall not make any graven image...You shall not bow down to them nor serve them:
This can be money, gold, or a host of other things or people.

3) You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain:
Blasphemy; but also, don't be praying for things that don't matter. Like praying for a faster car or a nicer house.