Air Force dumps ‘so help me God’ from enlistment oath

[Solar]

Members of the U.S. Air Force will no longer be required to say "so help me God" during their enlistment oath.

A legal review of rules that required the phrase occurred after the American Humanist Association threatened to sue on behalf of an atheist airman. The unnamed airman at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada was denied re-enlistment Aug. 25 after crossing the phrase out of the oath.

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"We take any instance in which Airmen report concerns regarding religious freedom seriously," said Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James, Air Force Times reported Wednesday. The change in policy goes into effect immediately.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/17/air-force-removes-so-help-me-god-requirement-from-/

[walkstall]

Wow!!  One person can change the Air Force.  What next?  I don't believe in taking orders from someone older them me.

[Solar]

Wow!!  One person can change the Air Force.  What next?  I don't believe in taking orders from someone older them me.

Apparently PC is now the law of the land.

[Dr. Meh]

 
It troubles me that this country continues to turn its back on God.

[Solar]

It troubles me that this country continues to turn its back on God.

It's not the people, it's leftist leadership aligning with evil.

[Skeptic]

Excellent news. Atheists, agnostics, and people of other religions who don the uniform should not be forced to swear allegiance unto the Christian god as a requisite for fighting and dying for their nation.

[taxed]

Excellent news. Atheists, agnostics, and people of other religions who don the uniform should not be forced to swear allegiance unto the Christian god as a requisite for fighting and dying for their nation.

You can just ignore it.  This is a Christian nation.  Deal with it.

[Darth Fife]

Not saying I agree with this, but I often thought that the Oath of Enlistment was somewhat archaic. Beyond that I figured it contained a loophole for non-believers and non-Christians.

Courts Martial: You took an oath to defend your country.

Accused: But, the Oath I took was sworn to "God". Since I am an Atheist, I don't believe in God so the oath I took really isn't valid - unless, of course you can prove God exists.

Darth

[Solar]

Not saying I agree with this, but I often thought that the Oath of Enlistment was somewhat archaic. Beyond that I figured it contained a loophole for non-believers and non-Christians.

Courts Martial: You took an oath to defend your country.

Accused: But, the Oath I took was sworn to "God". Since I am an Atheist, I don't believe in God so the oath I took really isn't valid - unless, of course you can prove God exists.

Darth

Tradition carries a lot of weight where responsibility is concerned.
Everyone shares one thing when accepting the oath, more than God, they pledge an unspoken support for the soldiers around them, as well as an allegiance to those that fell before them protecting said tradition of protecting the idea of a free Nation.
Don't believe or share those ideals? Stay the fuck out of the service, it's not a social experiment.

[Darth Fife]

Tradition carries a lot of weight where responsibility is concerned.
Everyone shares one thing when accepting the oath, more than God, they pledge an unspoken support for the soldiers around them, as well as an allegiance to those that fell before them protecting said tradition of protecting the idea of a free Nation.
Don't believe or share those ideals? Stay the fuck out of the service, it's not a social experiment.

Again, not saying I disagree with you, but I'm just pointing out how the other side would view and exploit it.

Darth

[Solar]

Again, not saying I disagree with you, but I'm just pointing out how the other side would view and exploit it.

Darth

Yeah, well, they can take a flying leap, we're a Christian Nation regardless.
I am not religious in the least, not Christian or otherwise, even somewhat despise religion, but I do respect what Christians did for the Nation, from a moral code of ethics to a culture that was the envy of the world.

Looking back in history and the previous resident of this Nation buried around the world in war memorial cemeteries with white crosses, it's safe to say they all shared one thing in common, they loved the culture and saw honor in protecting it, even though many were not religious by any stretch of the imagination.

So yeah, these atheists whining about an oath that generations found important in taking and creating a bond shared in protecting a culture those that went before them shared.
Yeah, the atheists or whatever, can go fuck themselves, the Military is built on proven tradition, and to make it a social experiment, is allowing Marxists the ability to destroy us from within.

Caving into the demands of the enemy, makes us no better than Muscums, where they are destroying religious antiquities around the world because they want their religion to dominate all others.
Do you really want to help the enemy destroy our culture?

[Skeptic]

We are not a Christian nation. The Constitution is a secular document with no mention of any gods, and the First Amendment prohibits government from establishing any religion. The Constitution itself only mentions religion once, to state that there cannot be any religious tests for someone running for office.

Were most founding fathers traditionally Christian? Probably, although a good chunk of them were probably Deists more than anything. Has Christianity been the predominant religion? Sure, and it still is with around 78% of Americans identifying as Christians. But that does not make the Constitution any less secular than it is.

[TboneAgain]

We are not a Christian nation. The Constitution is a secular document with no mention of any gods, and the First Amendment prohibits government from establishing any religion. The Constitution itself only mentions religion once, to state that there cannot be any religious tests for someone running for office.

Were most founding fathers traditionally Christian? Probably, although a good chunk of them were probably Deists more than anything. Has Christianity been the predominant religion? Sure, and it still is with around 78% of Americans identifying as Christians. But that does not make the Constitution any less secular than it is.

I don't even know where to start. You are just completely wrong with every word of every sentence, except perhaps your claim that 78% of Americans identify as Christian. But it's too late at night for me to start now, and you already know you're full of shit, so there's no rush for me to explain that in detail.

Have a good night. Say a prayer to your pillow or your dog or your car. Hope to your air conditioner that you wake up in the morning. Thank your couch, or perhaps your socks, when you do.

[Solar]

We are not a Christian nation. The Constitution is a secular document with no mention of any gods, and the First Amendment prohibits government from establishing any religion. The Constitution itself only mentions religion once, to state that there cannot be any religious tests for someone running for office.

Were most founding fathers traditionally Christian? Probably, although a good chunk of them were probably Deists more than anything. Has Christianity been the predominant religion? Sure, and it still is with around 78% of Americans identifying as Christians. But that does not make the Constitution any less secular than it is.

Seriously? What are you, 20 something? As to your nonsense about God not being part of our Founding documents.
Try the word Creator,which happens top mean God.

[Skeptic]

Seriously? What are you, 20 something? As to your nonsense about God not being part of our Founding documents.
Try the word Creator,which happens top mean God.

Is it too much to expect people to read exactly what I said without adding things I never said?  If you read my previous posts in their entirety, I never claimed there was no religious language in all relevant documents to the creation of this nation. My exact words were that the Constitution was a secular document, which it is! I know the Declaration of Independence references a generic "creator" in it's opening words, but the document responsible for creating our current government (The Constitution) is secular.

Also, although this has nothing to do with my previous post (which is 100% factual), the Declaration of Independence is not a founding document for our current system of government. I can provide you citations to Supreme Court Cases dating back over a century which also state this.

(1) After the Declaration, the States were semi-independent, and under the governance of the Continental Congress (our first government). That system was inadequate and short lived.

(2) Our second government was formed with the drafting of the Articles of Confederation, and the election of a President of the Confederated Congress of the United States of America, and a new congress to represent the new government. However, that system also failed miserably, leading to the need for a Constitutional Convention in 1787.

(3) Finally our current government began with the ratification of the Constitution, and the election of new representatives and a President of the United States of America in 1788 (George Washington)...over 12 years after the Declaration of Independence.

Finally, yes, I am 29. So what? I have a bachelor of arts in History, and a Juris Doctor (practicing attorney for 3 years here in Florida), so I fail to see your point. Is that supposed to be an insult?