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A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down
« on: November 30, 2015, 04:59:41 AM »
A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down When Her Teacher Told Her to Deny God. Then Came the Backlash.




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Re: A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2015, 08:01:07 AM »
Good for her! She represents our future.
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Re: A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2015, 09:04:49 AM »
Good for her! She represents our future.

Don't we just love government schools?
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2015, 09:14:11 AM »
Don't we just love government schools?
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Re: A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2015, 09:46:05 AM »
I'd love to see what would happened if some teacher pulled that on a muslim student! Heads would roll, literally.

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Re: A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2015, 10:40:40 AM »
Let's use critical thinking skills here.   Kroz made me realize this.   I have to say she is a very intelligent and articulate woman.   That's beside the point.   Our scientific method, facts and critical thinking comes from what is called empiricism or our sense experience in other words the observations of the natural world.  God is supernatural meaning God is beyond the sense experience and the observations of the natural world.  There is no way to set up an experimental or control group when it comes to God and there is no way to observe God in the natural and sensory way.  The basis for God is faith which comes from revelation, intuition and priori reasoning which is the opposite of empiricism.   Part proving something is through experimentation and part of experimentation is repeatability?   Can others duplicate your work?  Because God is sapient and God does confound the wise than how would it be possible to truthfully prove or disprove God?

From this logic, God is neither provable or disprovable and God is supernatural meaning outside the realm of the natural world and natural existence.  The problem with the critical thinking class  as it stands is that they're not doing critical thinking either.  If they understood empiricism like I should've with Kroz they would realize their own logic is fallacious.   The fallacy is that everything is provable or disprovable and that it is not always true. 

This is why we need more critical thinking and true critical thinking that has no agenda and this includes going over what the different views of reality are like empiricism, etc, what proving something means, etc, etc. 

This is so frustrating to me.   These educators who are critical thinkers who should know better.

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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2015, 11:00:41 AM »
Let's use critical thinking skills here.   Kroz made me realize this.   I have to say she is a very intelligent and articulate woman.   That's beside the point.   Our scientific method, facts and critical thinking comes from what is called empiricism or our sense experience in other words the observations of the natural world.  God is supernatural meaning God is beyond the sense experience and the observations of the natural world.  There is no way to set up an experimental or control group when it comes to God and there is no way to observe God in the natural and sensory way.  The basis for God is faith which comes from revelation, intuition and priori reasoning which is the opposite of empiricism.   Part proving something is through experimentation and part of experimentation is repeatability?   Can others duplicate your work?  Because God is sapient and God does confound the wise than how would it be possible to truthfully prove or disprove God?

From this logic, God is neither provable or disprovable and God is supernatural meaning outside the realm of the natural world and natural existence.  The problem with the critical thinking class  as it stands is that they're not doing critical thinking either.  If they understood empiricism like I should've with Kroz they would realize their own logic is fallacious.   The fallacy is that everything is provable or disprovable and that it is not always true. 

This is why we need more critical thinking and true critical thinking that has no agenda and this includes going over what the different views of reality are like empiricism, etc, what proving something means, etc, etc. 

This is so frustrating to me.   These educators who are critical thinkers who should know better.

Wrong. They are not educators or critical thinkers. They are liberals who have infiltrated our government education system and have ruined it.
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Re: A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2015, 12:12:24 PM »
Wrong. They are not educators or critical thinkers. They are liberals who have infiltrated our government education system and have ruined it.

So strange.  It's like Atheism has become a religion unto itself.  So paradoxical.   Lack of belief in a God and religion becomes a form of a god and religion.   Can you explain the human mind more and why it is such a paradox and why people are so filled with contradictions such as this? 

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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2015, 01:25:50 PM »
So strange.  It's like Atheism has become a religion unto itself.  So paradoxical.   Lack of belief in a God and religion becomes a form of a god and religion.   Can you explain the human mind more and why it is such a paradox and why people are so filled with contradictions such as this?

In today's world being a non believer is convenient. Being a person of faith requires effort, spiritually and physically. Many in or society today do not desire anything to do with personal responsibility.
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Re: A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2015, 01:32:20 PM »
So strange.  It's like Atheism has become a religion unto itself.  So paradoxical.   Lack of belief in a God and religion becomes a form of a god and religion.   Can you explain the human mind more and why it is such a paradox and why people are so filled with contradictions such as this?
Yes, it is a religion, especially when you consider they have "faith that nothing exists" beyond their puny existence.
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Re: A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2015, 07:01:24 AM »
Yes, it is a religion, especially when you consider they have "faith that nothing exists" beyond their puny existence.
Thew very definition of religion, is faith.

Which is what an Axiom and Presupposition is.   Faith means to accept something like a proposition without proof for it.   Scientists and Mathematicians accept certain things as Axioms and Presuppositions.  The conclusion to this is everyone has faith in something. 

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2015, 03:32:31 PM »
Which is what an Axiom and Presupposition is.   Faith means to accept something like a proposition without proof for it.   Scientists and Mathematicians accept certain things as Axioms and Presuppositions. The conclusion to this is everyone has faith in something.

NOT So!  There are people out there that don't even have faith in themselves,  let alone something.
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Re: A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2015, 09:42:12 PM »
NOT So!  There are people out there that don't even have faith in themselves,  let alone something.

Why can't this be a form of faith unto itself?

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Re: A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2015, 05:19:37 PM »
I'd love to see what would happened if some teacher pulled that on a muslim student! Heads would roll, literally.

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Re: A 7th Grader Wouldn’t Back Down
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2015, 06:02:03 PM »
Which is what an Axiom and Presupposition is.   Faith means to accept something like a proposition without proof for it.   Scientists and Mathematicians accept certain things as Axioms and Presuppositions.  The conclusion to this is everyone has faith in something.

Firstly, I commend the 7th grader. Also, faith in no manner always connotes goodness. Mudslimes have more faith, I would contend, than Christians do. Faith can do as much harm as it does good.
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