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Re: "Gay marriage" destroys another pillar of civilization
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2015, 06:58:32 PM »
People on the Right who have spines, who still have fight left in them, who have no intention of surrendering to the Leftist word vision need to band together now like they never have before.

As Ben Franklin said: "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."

I think the Right in this country has been terribly disorganized in fighting the culture war and would do well to re-form the ranks so to speak. We need to turn the nation into a metaphorical minefield, Liberals need to be afraid of encroaching further on our values.

 We need to agitate like Liberals do, when a bakery refuses to provide service for a gay wedding, Liberals swarm down on the business owners. The Right needs to do some of the same in our own sense, when we see encroachments upon our values we need to have a reflexive and intense response to make Liberals back off. I get so discouraged when I see the Leftist dominance on social media (of course most are low information trendies), and wish we had a greater Right wing presence to strike back. I saw a conservative hashtag get hijacked by liberals the other night and I thought, "if only we had greater numbers, we could push back and seize a share of the spotlight we need to stay relevant".

Even seemingly insignificant actions build up when you add to your numbers. We need to flood social media with our message, constantly pester sanctimonious liberals until they relent if from nothing else than sheer exhaustion.

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Re: "Gay marriage" destroys another pillar of civilization
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2015, 07:07:36 PM »

As Justice Antonin Scalia has warned in his eloquent dissent, democracy itself is at stake. Ironically, Chief
Justice Roberts got it right today, when he says that the opinion by the liberals on
the Court has nothing to do with the Constitution. Here is my statement:

Today's decision shows that the Supreme Court can be a danger to our republican form
of government. The opinion authored by Justice Kennedy is not constitutional, is
unmoored from law and precedent - and is invalid. The exercise of raw judicial power
by five justices should be resisted under law and overturned. Justices Kennedy,
Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan abused their public offices and acted
contrary to their oaths of office by assuming the power to legislate their
progressive views on homosexual marriage from the bench. The personal advocacy for
homosexual causes by justices in the majority has also cast an ethical cloud over
this decision. This decision will lead to frontal assaults, led by the Obama
administration, on a right which actually is in the Constitution, the right to
freely exercise one's religion. I fear this judicial coup will lead to social
unrest, the jailing of religious leaders, and other outrages against those Americans
who shared the views of Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, and all of Western civilization
on traditional marriage. This is a terrible, terrible day for our nation.

We know what a punch to the gut these rulings are for our readers and supporters who
value the rule of law and the idea of constitutional limited government. For the
moment, those principles are lost. I encourage you to read all three opinions at
issue (especially the dissents!). Again, you can view the opinion on marriage here
(http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf)
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College student here. This Supreme Court ruling terrifies me.
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2015, 07:27:50 PM »
My opinions on this are a little convoluted.  I wouldn't have reacted like this had each and every state legalized marriage on its own.

The WAY this happened, though, terrifies me.  Homosexual marriage is not only legal now, but a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.  There is no way this is going to end well for anyone that doesn't change their mind.  Social conservatives and their allies will be socially ostracized for "hate speech", and any churches that do not bow down and kiss the ring are going to lose their tax exempt status and become seen as the new KKK.

I am not the strongest social conservative, but I don't generally approve of gays and think they display disordered behavior.  They should be tolerated,  not celebrated.  Saying this on my Facebook wall would get me unfriended en masse, and possibly impact any future job prospects of mine.  It's only going to get worse.

What's next?  I've always prided myself on being able to have friends of every political stripe, but that might not last now.  I'm certainly not going to change my mind on what I know to be true because it'll make me blend into society better.  I'm willing to lose every last friend I have over this.

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Re: College student here. This Supreme Court ruling terrifies me.
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2015, 07:33:32 PM »
My opinions on this are a little convoluted.  I wouldn't have reacted like this had each and every state legalized marriage on its own.

The WAY this happened, though, terrifies me.  Homosexual marriage is not only legal now, but a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.  There is no way this is going to end well for anyone that doesn't change their mind.  Social conservatives and their allies will be socially ostracized for "hate speech", and any churches that do not bow down and kiss the ring are going to lose their tax exempt status and become seen as the new KKK.

I am not the strongest social conservative, but I don't generally approve of gays and think they display disordered behavior.  They should be tolerated,  not celebrated.  Saying this on my Facebook wall would get me unfriended en masse, and possibly impact any future job prospects of mine.  It's only going to get worse.

What's next?  I've always prided myself on being able to have friends of every political stripe, but that might not last now.  I'm certainly not going to change my mind on what I know to be true because it'll make me blend into society better. I'm willing to lose every last friend I have over this.

If you do they were not true friends. 
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Re: College student here. This Supreme Court ruling terrifies me.
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2015, 07:35:20 PM »
I feel for the young people today.  Especially people like yourself.  A lot of your peers probably don't even realize what's happening to this government, the country and how it will affect all of you. 
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but the citizens capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

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Re: College student here. This Supreme Court ruling terrifies me.
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2015, 08:12:41 PM »
My opinions on this are a little convoluted.  I wouldn't have reacted like this had each and every state legalized marriage on its own.

The WAY this happened, though, terrifies me.  Homosexual marriage is not only legal now, but a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.  There is no way this is going to end well for anyone that doesn't change their mind.  Social conservatives and their allies will be socially ostracized for "hate speech", and any churches that do not bow down and kiss the ring are going to lose their tax exempt status and become seen as the new KKK.

I am not the strongest social conservative, but I don't generally approve of gays and think they display disordered behavior.  They should be tolerated,  not celebrated.  Saying this on my Facebook wall would get me unfriended en masse, and possibly impact any future job prospects of mine.  It's only going to get worse.

What's next?  I've always prided myself on being able to have friends of every political stripe, but that might not last now.  I'm certainly not going to change my mind on what I know to be true because it'll make me blend into society better.  I'm willing to lose every last friend I have over this.
What? So then it's your position, then, that some Americans should have protections under the laws of the United States, that only some Americans, should even be afforded RIGHTS under the laws of the United States because of their choice of sexual preference?

Instead of ALL Americans being equal under thet laws of the United States. What's scary, is how truly un-American that position you as a "young college age person" would have.

Not only that, but you are also then, in favor of a blatant violation of the separation of church and state. I can't even begin to tell you, all the way's THAT should scare you.

Way, way, way more than who's sleeping with who.

Seriously, don't they teach college kids anymore, that on the lists of important things, the very first bill of rights, in our Constitution, and chief limits on government power and authority to oppress the people, is way way up there, at the top of the list of things to worry and be scared about. Long before being scared about who's sleeping with whom?

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Re: College student here. This Supreme Court ruling terrifies me.
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2015, 08:28:21 PM »
I feel for the young people today.  Especially people like yourself.  A lot of your peers probably don't even realize what's happening to this government, the country and how it will affect all of you.
You are right, these young people today, think that equality under the law should be done away with. And that only some citizen's should have RIGHTS upheld and respected.

That the law should only work for some Americans. Another poster said they're willing to lose every friend they have over this "issue".

That's nice, but are you willing to kill or possibly be killed over it?

Because I can assure you, and this is not a threat, simply a fact of American culture, ideology, and existence.

There's millions of us, willing to kill, and if need be die, to ensure ALL AMERICANS have their rights respected, that ALL
AMERICANS are and remain equal under the law.

We as a nation have already given too much blood, sweat and tears to ensure that is the case. Don't think, we won't again either. Again not a threat of any kind, just a simple historical fact of the American ideology, culture, experience, history.

We call them the United States Military, Police, and Veterans.  :lol:
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Re: College student here. This Supreme Court ruling terrifies me.
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2015, 08:37:17 PM »
well look what the cat dragged in.

What? So then it's your position, then, that some Americans should have protections under the laws of the United States, that only some Americans, should even be afforded RIGHTS under the laws of the United States because of their choice of sexual preference?

Homosexuals already have the right to marry - Elton John can marry any woman he wants.  the funny thing is here, he's not interested in this particular right.  what we're talking about, Daidalos, is *redefinition* of marriage, and the current definition has worked for the past, oh, TWO THOUSAND years or so.

Not only that, but you are also then, in favor of a blatant violation of the separation of church and state. I can't even begin to tell you, all the way's THAT should scare you.  Way, way, way more than who's sleeping with who.

You're talking to someone who's a borderline atheist.  I don't care if two men want to have buttsex and cuddle for a solid half-century, they're not affecting me.  What I do care about is the highest court in the country saying that marriage is now a *right*.  Anyone who now fits under that umbrella that I don't consider a valid addition I have to approve of or be labeled a member of the anti-gay KKK.  I already have to choose what I say around other people with this subject.  I can't imagine what I'll have to act like when my views become legally defined hate speech.

(Here's a lowdown of my views - marriage is an institution that exists to continue society within the context of the nuclear family - as well as control sex and put it into a proper context.  When a man and a woman decide to stop dating around and commit to each other, marry, and reproduce, they pop out a family that then becomes that society's next generation.  These new people aren't just babies for mommy and daddy to raise and cuddle in front of - these new people are soldiers.  They vote.  They participate in the economy and keep it going.  They then marry and reproduce themselves, and give us even more people.  We get *none* of that from homosexuals marrying, so why encourage an extension/redefinition of an institution when it's not going to pay dividends?)

Seriously, don't they teach college kids anymore, that on the lists of important things, the very first bill of rights, in our Constitution, and chief limits on government power and authority to oppress the people, is way way up there, at the top of the list of things to worry and be scared about.

Yep, a large and oppressive government is certainly something to be scared about.  I also, by that logic, don't like government waste - or, in this case, the invention and solution to a problem that don't exist to make a very loud minority (what is it, 3% according to the CDC?) happy.

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Re: College student here. This Supreme Court ruling terrifies me.
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2015, 09:02:51 PM »
You are right, these young people today, think that equality under the law should be done away with. And that only some citizen's should have RIGHTS upheld and respected.  That the law should only work for some Americans. Another poster said they're willing to lose every friend they have over this "issue".  That's nice, but are you willing to kill or possibly be killed over it?

Daidalos - I want to live in a country where Christians (my entire extended family, by the way) can freely exercise their religion without persecution - and yes, I'd be willing to fight and die for that cause.  What's up next for Christianity is an existential threat that might not be an outright ban, but it's going to force the entire belief system onto the margins of society.  (If you don't think that's just as bad, try being an open Neo-Nazi and holding down a decent job.)

Public opinion on homosexual marriage was trending toward the positive, but there was still hope that the pro-gay marriage and anti-gay marriage points of view could have existed side by side and learned to tolerate one another.  This, as I said earlier, makes homosexual marriages a right alongside traditional marriages - which short-circuits the end result.  Mainstream Christians that take their faith seriously aren't just going to kowtow to what's fast becoming the social norm.  This new legal precedent doesn't bode well for them.  If you don't think that denomination after denomination are going to get the absolute shit sued out of them for discrimination, watch.  Churches are already being forced to marry homosexuals in England and Denmark.  It can damn well happen here. 

Losing their tax-exempt status is the worry right now...that may end up being the least of their worries around a decade after today.
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Re: "Gay marriage" destroys another pillar of civilization
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2015, 09:22:04 PM »
Do you ever wonder how a small percentage of the population can push around the majority and what we can do about it?

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« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2015, 10:45:48 PM »
What? So then it's your position, then, that some Americans should have protections under the laws of the United States, that only some Americans, should even be afforded RIGHTS under the laws of the United States because of their choice of sexual preference?

Instead of ALL Americans being equal under thet laws of the United States. What's scary, is how truly un-American that position you as a "young college age person" would have.

Not only that, but you are also then, in favor of a blatant violation of the separation of church and state. I can't even begin to tell you, all the way's THAT should scare you.

Way, way, way more than who's sleeping with who.

Seriously, don't they teach college kids anymore, that on the lists of important things, the very first bill of rights, in our Constitution, and chief limits on government power and authority to oppress the people, is way way up there, at the top of the list of things to worry and be scared about. Long before being scared about who's sleeping with whom?
The thing is you actually acknowledge the central problem, yet gloss over it as do the lying liberals who are forcing their dogma of outright EVIL on what was once a great nation.

Behavior is ALWAYS a CHOICE. The claim "homosexuals are born that way" is not only an unsupported claim, but is entirely irrelevant.  As human beings, we are ALL born with certain tendencies. One of the biggest is our natural tendency towards violence. Yet we are expected to keep our instinctual tendencies under control for the better stability of society as a whole.

Sexual behavior is exactly that: a BEHAVIOR, and is therefore under our control. (IF we want to be human beings and not just a bunch of mindless sex-crazy animals. I sometimes think the latter is the ultimate goal of humanist progressives - aka modern liberals.) The claim that homosexuals are EQUAL to everyone else under traditional marriage laws is completely valid. Any person could choose to marry a person of the opposite gender, as long as they are not related. Claiming they are not equal because they CHOOSE a different lifestyle is like saying we owe people a middle-class standard of living even though they choose behavior which does not make a living on their own.  The homosexuals CHOOSE their behavior, and then demand all the rest of society alter an insititution as old as civilization in order kowtow to their choice.

There are several societal advantages to government involvement in the religion-origin institution of marriage. For instance, laws of inheritance were written in a manner to take advantage of the relationships developed under marriage.

Second, the rearing of children under traditional marriage in which the offspring enjoy the relationship with a parent of each gender has been shown repeatedly to be far superior to other types of upbringing.

The purpose of government writing laws which make marriage a fiscal advantage were designed to encourage the formation of that base unit structure - FAMILY - which in turn leads to a more stable, thus more just, equitable, long term society. The disintegration of the family unit has been a long term goal of the humanist progressives, and this is the latest (and possibly final) attack on family, which in turn WILL bring down this society, leaving us with a shell of absolute tyranny supported by a shell society based on self absorbed hedonism. (If you care to observe, the only issue humanist progressives truly get up in arms about is their sex lives. They want the "right" to hump like mindless rabbits while society absorbs any and all consequences of their hedonism. All other "rights" which conservatives hold as being of divine origin are, by their own description, limited according to the desires of the state.

The idea that redefinition of marriage is a GOOD thing is simple ignorance of the base structure of our society.

And that is the SECULAR argument.  Bringing in God, and it's even more simple: God will NEVER grant His Grace on a nation which turns its back on His laws. Without His grace, we will not last another generation. Welcome to tyranny. "May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

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Re: College student here. This Supreme Court ruling terrifies me.
« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2015, 03:43:08 AM »
well look what the cat dragged in.

Homosexuals already have the right to marry - Elton John can marry any woman he wants.  the funny thing is here, he's not interested in this particular right.  what we're talking about, Daidalos, is *redefinition* of marriage, and the current definition has worked for the past, oh, TWO THOUSAND years or so.

Yes we on the "right" who are truly conservatives, know and believe that the traditional marriage worked for thousands of years. However for most of those thousands of years, it was also a purely religious ceremony. It's only been in the last 150 or so years, where America has said, nope it's a function of government. As Conservatives we also believe hat sexuality is a choice. Whether homosexual or heterosexual it is a choice. Should a persons choice of sexuality, either create, or deny an American the same exact rights, and privileges under the law? I say no it shouldn't. equality under the law, should exist no matter what that choice is.

It is wrong, and unfair, to say, well if you make the choice the majority of conservatives like or agree with, we'll respect your rights, and even afford you new one's under the laws of the land, that we don't afford to everyone else.

But, if you make a choice of sexual preference we don't agree with, you get to be treated unfairly, and unequally under the law. And further, there are certain rights of yours we won't respect or uphold.


You're talking to someone who's a borderline atheist.  I don't care if two men want to have buttsex and cuddle for a solid half-century, they're not affecting me.  What I do care about is the highest court in the country saying that marriage is now a *right*.  Anyone who now fits under that umbrella that I don't consider a valid addition I have to approve of or be labeled a member of the anti-gay KKK.  I already have to choose what I say around other people with this subject.  I can't imagine what I'll have to act like when my views become legally defined hate speech.

While I don't think anyone is labeling anyone as anti-gay KKK, since you bring up the point. That is precisely what the KKK did attempt to do.

The KKK only wanted the nation to respect the rights of, and afford equality under the law, for, groups the KKK agrees with and likes. Instead of respecting the rights, and affording equality to everyone under the law.

(Here's a lowdown of my views - marriage is an institution that exists to continue society within the context of the nuclear family - as well as control sex and put it into a proper context.  When a man and a woman decide to stop dating around and commit to each other, marry, and reproduce, they pop out a family that then becomes that society's next generation.  These new people aren't just babies for mommy and daddy to raise and cuddle in front of - these new people are soldiers.  They vote.  They participate in the economy and keep it going.  They then marry and reproduce themselves, and give us even more people.  We get *none* of that from homosexuals marrying, so why encourage an extension/redefinition of an institution when it's not going to pay dividends?)

I absolutely agree, marriage has always traditionally been, the start of a traditional nuclear family.

Yep, a large and oppressive government is certainly something to be scared about.  I also, by that logic, don't like government waste - or, in this case, the invention and solution to a problem that don't exist to make a very loud minority (what is it, 3% according to the CDC?) happy.

And you are right about that in a way too. And, actually make the point I"ve been making for about three weeks now. The entire situation was created by government. When government decided to violate the separation of church and state. And involve itself in what IS and was a religious ceremony for thousands of years. So should we only respect and afford a citizen rights, and privileges under the law, because they've chosen to involve themselves in a religious ceremony, and someone else hasn't? As an atheist I would think you'd be among the first to agree with the concept that no, they should not. They should be equal to everyone else, despite not taking part in a religious ceremony called a marriage. Again the fact of the matter is that had government, not done that, meaning violate the separation of church and state. Had it not gone about for the past two hundred years, gone about involving itself in what for thousands of years prior was a religious ceremony, there wouldn't have been a court case for the SCOTUS to rule on in the first place, as marriage would have been an issue, that was staying where it started, and belonged. A religious ceremony.
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Re: College student here. This Supreme Court ruling terrifies me.
« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2015, 03:50:00 AM »
The thing is you actually acknowledge the central problem, yet gloss over it as do the lying liberals who are forcing their dogma of outright EVIL on what was once a great nation.

Behavior is ALWAYS a CHOICE. The claim "homosexuals are born that way" is not only an unsupported claim, but is entirely irrelevant.  As human beings, we are ALL born with certain tendencies. One of the biggest is our natural tendency towards violence. Yet we are expected to keep our instinctual tendencies under control for the better stability of society as a whole.

Sexual behavior is exactly that: a BEHAVIOR, and is therefore under our control. (IF we want to be human beings and not just a bunch of mindless sex-crazy animals. I sometimes think the latter is the ultimate goal of humanist progressives - aka modern liberals.) The claim that homosexuals are EQUAL to everyone else under traditional marriage laws is completely valid. (And yet the fact is, no they are not. due to their choice of behavior) Wehter a person has rights that will be respected by government or not, should have nothing to do with that choice. We all simply should be equal under the law, period. Regardless or our religious choices. Any person could choose to marry a person of the opposite gender, as long as they are not related. Claiming they are not equal because they CHOOSE a different lifestyle is like saying we owe people a middle-class standard of living even though they choose behavior which does not make a living on their own.  The homosexuals CHOOSE their behavior, and then demand all the rest of society alter an insititution as old as civilization in order kowtow to their choice.

No it's saying that, we owe everyone equality under the law. Everyone should have the same rights, and have the same rights respected by government, regardless of their choice of behavior.

Just as for example a murderer has the right to a fair trial. Yes they chose to act, in a fashion that is wrong morally. And illegal under our law. But even then, despite their choice of behavior they have rights that are respected under the laws of the land. And are equal to anyone else, under the law too, again despite their choice of behavior.

There are several societal advantages to government involvement in the religion-origin institution of marriage. For instance, laws of inheritance were written in a manner to take advantage of the relationships developed under marriage.

Second, the rearing of children under traditional marriage in which the offspring enjoy the relationship with a parent of each gender has been shown repeatedly to be far superior to other types of upbringing.

The purpose of government writing laws which make marriage a fiscal advantage were designed to encourage the formation of that base unit structure - FAMILY - which in turn leads to a more stable, thus more just, equitable, long term society. The disintegration of the family unit has been a long term goal of the humanist progressives, and this is the latest (and possibly final) attack on family, which in turn WILL bring down this society, leaving us with a shell of absolute tyranny supported by a shell society based on self absorbed hedonism. (If you care to observe, the only issue humanist progressives truly get up in arms about is their sex lives. They want the "right" to hump like mindless rabbits while society absorbs any and all consequences of their hedonism. All other "rights" which conservatives hold as being of divine origin are, by their own description, limited according to the desires of the state.

The idea that redefinition of marriage is a GOOD thing is simple ignorance of the base structure of our society.

And that is the SECULAR argument.  Bringing in God, and it's even more simple: God will NEVER grant His Grace on a nation which turns its back on His laws. Without His grace, we will not last another generation. Welcome to tyranny. "May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
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Re: "Gay marriage" destroys another pillar of civilization
« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2015, 04:16:54 AM »
Having 2 or 3 wives is any sicker than 2 guys or girls going at it?

No.

Once you throw out the Divine "pump line" for life, everything becomes equally acceptable.  It is only a matter of what is right in our own eyes.   We are the ...... Master of our own fate.... the captain of our souls.

It really isn't the "freedom" they claim.  It is ultimate bondage.

We have no idea what we have done when we toss God''s providential blessing overboard.

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Re: "Gay marriage" destroys another pillar of civilization
« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2015, 05:03:52 AM »
If government dictates WHOM a church may marry, they may deny tax exemption to those who do not, with a direct effect of stifling smaller organizations. This is a monstrous assault on freedom of religion, and deny the individual state's absolute right to have its say in the issue.

At risk of sounding like a deranged O/T rant here, or I'm making more of it than just coincidence, but two nights ago --- before SCOTUScare and Pervert Wedlock were handed down by the Supremely Ignorant --- I happened to watch a crime film featuring Barack Obama.

Well, clips of him as a Senator and Bush as President, with the usual Hollywood out-of-context quotes intended to buttress their story line for Killing Them Softly (a remake of The Friends of Eddie Coyle with touches of Cogan’s Trade).

This time around it was Brad Pitt as killer Jackie Cogan, and while Obama is blathering on TV, after overseeing the deaths of four people, Jackie lets loose about America....

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Barack Obama (on TV): ...to reclaim the American dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth, that, out of many, we are one...

Driver: You hear that line? Line's for you.

Jackie Cogan: Don't make me laugh. One people. It's a myth created by Thomas Jefferson.

Driver: Oh, so now you're going to have a go at Jefferson, huh?

Jackie Cogan: My friend, Thomas Jefferson is an American saint because he wrote the words 'All men are created equal', words he clearly didn't believe since he allowed his own children to live in slavery. He's a rich white snob who's sick of paying taxes to the Brits. So, yeah, he writes some lovely words and aroused the rabble and they went and died for those words while he sat back and drank his wine and ***ked his slave girl. This guy wants to tell me we're living in a community? Don't make me laugh. I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business. Now ***kin' pay me.

That’s the final lines in the film, the takeaway message they want you to think about on your way to anywhere else.

It’s not a country, it’s just a business.

So how much did the Supremes earn, to sell us out? How else could this have happened?
 

 

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