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Teacher on a mission
« on: June 10, 2017, 07:16:49 PM »
Hello, everyone.

I am a proud public school teacher and union member. I suspect that this puts me slightly at odds with a lot of you on a lot of issues. That brings me to why I'm posting.

In all issues of great concern in this country, people spend a lot of time taking pot shots at one another. If you don't end up hating the other side of the argument, you aren't listening to how nasty they've gotten. In the meantime, nothing gets better. I would like to see if I can have a real conversation about education in America with people who are never going to agree with me on most things.

I have come to this board with a few questions, and I hope you will ask me some, too. I will answer as honestly as I am able and will try to treat you with respect and dignity. I have an FYI before I ask my questions. You can say whatever you like, but I will not respond to any post with a personal attack. Criticize my ideas and opinions all you like, but name calling will get you nowhere.

My questions are:
 
Why do so many conservatives say venomously hateful things about public schools and support policies that undermine them?

Why do so many conservatives have the same rhetoric and policies about teacher unions as they do about public schools?

If you choose to respond to these questions, thank you. I also would appreciate it if in your response you would tell me what you do for work. When talking about what I do for a living, it's easier to explain my point of view when I know what you do. I'm looking forward to a very interesting and spirited conversation.

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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2017, 07:55:15 PM »
Hello, everyone.

I am a proud public school teacher and union member. I suspect that this puts me slightly at odds with a lot of you on a lot of issues. That brings me to why I'm posting.

In all issues of great concern in this country, people spend a lot of time taking pot shots at one another. If you don't end up hating the other side of the argument, you aren't listening to how nasty they've gotten. In the meantime, nothing gets better. I would like to see if I can have a real conversation about education in America with people who are never going to agree with me on most things.

I have come to this board with a few questions, and I hope you will ask me some, too. I will answer as honestly as I am able and will try to treat you with respect and dignity. I have an FYI before I ask my questions. You can say whatever you like, but I will not respond to any post with a personal attack. Criticize my ideas and opinions all you like, but name calling will get you nowhere.

My questions are:
 
Why do so many conservatives say venomously hateful things about public schools and support policies that undermine them?

Why do so many conservatives have the same rhetoric and policies about teacher unions as they do about public schools?

If you choose to respond to these questions, thank you. I also would appreciate it if in your response you would tell me what you do for work. When talking about what I do for a living, it's easier to explain my point of view when I know what you do. I'm looking forward to a very interesting and spirited conversation.

Well that took about 2 hrs. for you to post.

I for one took my kids out of public schools and put all three into private schools.  Public schools did nothing for me, but pass me on.  My wife on the other hand had private schooling. 

After two years of our first child in the best public school in town we pulled her out as she was not going to be like me.   

I am retired and did not need a union to keep my jobs.  I worked over 65 years and all the union did in my younger years was keep me back. 

All my kids made sure their kids got a private schooling also, knowing what it did for them....

IF you need a union to keep your job or get more pay, then there something wrong. 

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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2017, 12:01:29 AM »
Hello, everyone.

I am a proud public school teacher and union member. I suspect that this puts me slightly at odds with a lot of you on a lot of issues. That brings me to why I'm posting.

In all issues of great concern in this country, people spend a lot of time taking pot shots at one another. If you don't end up hating the other side of the argument, you aren't listening to how nasty they've gotten. In the meantime, nothing gets better. I would like to see if I can have a real conversation about education in America with people who are never going to agree with me on most things.

I have come to this board with a few questions, and I hope you will ask me some, too. I will answer as honestly as I am able and will try to treat you with respect and dignity. I have an FYI before I ask my questions. You can say whatever you like, but I will not respond to any post with a personal attack. Criticize my ideas and opinions all you like, but name calling will get you nowhere.

My questions are:
 
Why do so many conservatives say venomously hateful things about public schools and support policies that undermine them?

Why do so many conservatives have the same rhetoric and policies about teacher unions as they do about public schools?

If you choose to respond to these questions, thank you. I also would appreciate it if in your response you would tell me what you do for work. When talking about what I do for a living, it's easier to explain my point of view when I know what you do. I'm looking forward to a very interesting and spirited conversation.

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Why do so many conservatives say venomously hateful things about public schools and support policies that undermine them?

Actually we don't. We simply point out the amount of money shoveled annually to the public schools and their poor track record

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Why do so many conservatives have the same rhetoric and policies about teacher unions as they do about public schools?

What is this supposed to mean?
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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2017, 04:47:12 AM »
Why are the teaches unions and teaches so against Charter schools...?
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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2017, 05:26:36 AM »
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Criticize my ideas and opinions all you like, but name calling will get you nowhere. 
You do not set the rules of this forum, or any thread - we are allowed to post at the pleasure of the owner(s), and can leave (or be booted) at any time, with or without reason.

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Why do so many conservatives say venomously hateful things about public schools and support policies that undermine them?
Why do so many public school teachers say venomously hateful things about home schoolers and support policies that undermine them?

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Why do so many conservatives have the same rhetoric and policies about teacher unions as they do about public schools?
Why do so many liberals have the same rhetoric and policies about non-union workers as they do about home schoolers?

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I'm looking forward to a very interesting and spirited conversation.
I seriously doubt your honesty.
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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2017, 05:33:40 AM »
Hello, everyone.

I am a proud public school teacher and union member.

Why do so many conservatives have the same rhetoric and policies about teacher unions as they do about public schools?



Answer was in your opening sentence. Public schools and union trash all go together. Inferior product, exorbitant costs, and ethics of snakes.

For example: in Michigan, teacher strikes are illegal. We know the enemy. It is unionized.

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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2017, 05:45:14 AM »
Hello, everyone.

I am a proud public school teacher and union member. I suspect that this puts me slightly at odds with a lot of you on a lot of issues. That brings me to why I'm posting.

In all issues of great concern in this country, people spend a lot of time taking pot shots at one another. If you don't end up hating the other side of the argument, you aren't listening to how nasty they've gotten. In the meantime, nothing gets better. I would like to see if I can have a real conversation about education in America with people who are never going to agree with me on most things.

I have come to this board with a few questions, and I hope you will ask me some, too. I will answer as honestly as I am able and will try to treat you with respect and dignity. I have an FYI before I ask my questions. You can say whatever you like, but I will not respond to any post with a personal attack. Criticize my ideas and opinions all you like, but name calling will get you nowhere.

My questions are:
 
Why do so many conservatives say venomously hateful things about public schools and support policies that undermine them?

Why do so many conservatives have the same rhetoric and policies about teacher unions as they do about public schools?

If you choose to respond to these questions, thank you. I also would appreciate it if in your response you would tell me what you do for work. When talking about what I do for a living, it's easier to explain my point of view when I know what you do. I'm looking forward to a very interesting and spirited conversation.

"Why do so many conservatives say venomously hateful things about public schools and support policies that undermine them?"

They are not working. The results speak for themselves. Money is not the answer. Just look at the DC school system. Undermining and tying to improve are not the same things. It is not about individual dedicated teachers. They cannot overcome the bureaucracy of administrators and union leaders. I took my kids out of public schools because I found them unresponsive to parental concerns.

"Why do so many conservatives have the same rhetoric and policies about teacher unions as they do about public schools?"

Because many teacher unions put the unions first and to hell with the students. Just ask yourself the question as why parents would pay for schooling when publicly funded schools are readily available. It doesn't make sense does it? If public schools were good there is no way anything but very elite private schools would exist.

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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2017, 06:16:29 AM »
Because many teacher unions put the unions first and to hell with the students. Just ask yourself the question as why parents would pay for schooling when publicly funded schools are readily available. It doesn't make sense does it? If public schools were good there is no way anything but very elite private schools would exist.

How is it... a Professional, some with a Master's Degree, cannot figure out how to teach the basics, but, an average housewife can do what the Professional cannot?  Without those expensive facilities, just books and a kitchen table, severely limited income (and paying the Professional's salary via taxation) - their students still do much better?
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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2017, 10:08:04 AM »
Hello, everyone.

I am a proud public school teacher and union member. I suspect that this puts me slightly at odds with a lot of you on a lot of issues. That brings me to why I'm posting.

In all issues of great concern in this country, people spend a lot of time taking pot shots at one another. If you don't end up hating the other side of the argument, you aren't listening to how nasty they've gotten. In the meantime, nothing gets better. I would like to see if I can have a real conversation about education in America with people who are never going to agree with me on most things.

I have come to this board with a few questions, and I hope you will ask me some, too. I will answer as honestly as I am able and will try to treat you with respect and dignity. I have an FYI before I ask my questions. You can say whatever you like, but I will not respond to any post with a personal attack. Criticize my ideas and opinions all you like, but name calling will get you nowhere.

My questions are:
 
Why do so many conservatives say venomously hateful things about public schools and support policies that undermine them?

Why do so many conservatives have the same rhetoric and policies about teacher unions as they do about public schools?

If you choose to respond to these questions, thank you. I also would appreciate it if in your response you would tell me what you do for work. When talking about what I do for a living, it's easier to explain my point of view when I know what you do. I'm looking forward to a very interesting and spirited conversation.
What does a communist run Union have to do with a child's education?

Without reading further than the first two sentences of pure pap, how is it you fail to grasp the failure of today's curriculum over that of the early 20th century?
Back when an 8th grade education shamed that of modern day college graduates.
PC is the curriculum of the day and true history be damned, global warming is being taught as settled science, rather than the theory that it actually is.
Critical thinking has been replaced with "capitalism is evil", period. Can you say "INDOCTRINATION"?

Yet you think Conservatives hate teachers? Match, meet strawman.
What an ignorant buffoon!
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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2017, 10:25:40 AM »
I have come to this board with a few questions ...

If you really want to improve education, you will want to read the following:

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/leftists-rabidly-oppose-education/

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/get-all-you-can-from-school/

In short, the "education" SYSTEM was designed to LIMIT how much students learn.
A full discussion of that can be found in the book,
The Underground History of American Education.
The full text on that book can be found online in at least two locations.
A little searching can find them for you.

The "education" system was intentionally designed by social planners
to cripple students' minds,
to make them unable to understand how the social planners
are taking advantage of them through the various institutions
controlled by the social planners.

The most effective propagandists are people who themselves are brainwashed.
The "education" system is cheating the teachers
almost as much as it is cheating the students.

Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld spoke of
"known knowns," "known unknowns," and "unknown unknowns."
There are things you know, things that you know that you don't know,
and things that you know so little about that
you don't even know that there is a gap in your knowledge.

The "education" system has been designed to
place some very important areas of knowledge
into the "unknown unknown" category.

If I learned everything they taught in school, and nothing else,
I would be woefully ignorant.
HUGE parts of my education came to me through my own individual effort.
If I had waited to be taught, it would NEVER have happened!

The social planners have designed the "education" system
to GUARANTEE that the students cannot learn certain skills (like critical thinking)
by denying those skills to their teachers!
Teachers CANNOT teach what they themselves don't know!

The "Get all you can from school" article
(http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/get-all-you-can-from-school/)
mentions several important subject areas
that are COMPLETELY MISSING from public schools.

It would be good if some textbooks suitable for school use
would be written on those areas.
For now, students can do some searching on those terms
and search out that knowledge for themselves.

Forums like this one can help fill those gaps in education.
It would be good for the knowledge to be condensed into a textbook.
But much of it is here, for anyone who is willing to browse and learn.
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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2017, 12:16:10 PM »
Well, that was the shortest "interesting and spirited conversation" I do believe I have ever witnessed. :lol: :lol: I do remember well how liberals used to write in and troll around trying to convince conservatives that they are right, they weren't, but at least
they did not quit after one post. Guess the world robbing hillary of what was rightly hers  has taken all the steam out of them. too bad.

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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2017, 12:18:47 PM »
The questions were answered truthfully and factually. These type responses totally disarm liberals. They need emotion for their energy.
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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2017, 12:23:19 PM »
The questions were answered truthfully and factually. These type responses totally disarm liberals. They need emotion for their energy.
Libs aren't used to having their strawman arguments ignored.
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Re: Teacher on a mission
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2017, 12:31:03 PM »
Well, that was the shortest "interesting and spirited conversation" I do believe I have ever witnessed. :lol: :lol: I do remember well how liberals used to write in and troll around trying to convince conservatives that they are right, they weren't, but at least
they did not quit after one post. Guess the world robbing hillary of what was rightly hers  has taken all the steam out of them. too bad.


Well it did take him almost 2 hrs. for his first post.  Give him time, as I am sure this is a shock to his very liberal thinking system.
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2017, 12:53:31 PM »

Well it did take him almost 2 hrs. for his first post.  Give him time, as I am sure this is a shock to his very liberal thinking system.
I doubt they even know what a real Conservative is.
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