Quote from: Solar on May 12, 2019, 04:57:32 PM
I grew up with sidewalks, later street lighting, now I don't want either, because I would have to pay for it by increased taxes.

This makes sense.  With more gov't services there will be more taxes.  You don't wish to pay more taxes so you don't want to pay for the gov't services.  Leftists wish to force services down your throat you really don't want. 

Quote from: Solar on May 12, 2019, 04:57:32 PM
When you live miles from a main road, you'd prefer they fix the potholes and let the city pay for their own sidewalks.
That's what God intended. "Idle hands are the work of the Devil" I never really understood that till I started seeing graffiti everywhere, these kids should be working and keeping out of trouble, instead, the Dims give out welfare, when in fact these kids should be supporting the family.

I get what you're saying. 

Quote from: Solar on May 12, 2019, 04:57:32 PM
Cutting to the chase on a forum leaves little room for interpretation, so we use concise language, libs on the other hand talk in "Feelings", Conservatives deal in the facts

I deal in facts as well.  I think I understand our communication differences between each other.  I'm more literal and precise in the use of my language and words.  What I'm beginning to grasp is most people have common sense definitions to their words and phrases that may or may not fit the dictionary definitions.

Funny and embarrassing story is when I went to order a pizza for a first time.  The order taker and I got into a mini argument.  I told her I wanted a large original crust pizza with cheese.  She asked me anything else and I said no thank you (being polite).  She went over my order and said you're getting a large?  I said "no, I'm getting a large original crust pizza with cheese. "  She said "You're getting a large then right?" and she sighed a bit.  I then realized both "large" and "large original crust pizza with cheese" meant the same thing in this situation.  It was that "large" was simply verbal shorthand.  I told her "Yes, I do want a large.  Sorry about that!  It's just been a long day."

Think of Abbot and Costello's Who's on First for an analogy. 

Quote from: Solar on May 12, 2019, 04:57:32 PM
With age comes wisdom, but unless one leaves their "Safe Space" they will never grow and understand life to its fullest.

B/c of my literal, precise, linear, and concrete thinking there are times I misinterpret the situations.  There are times I need others to help me interpret the situation.    For me, learning from life experience malfunctions for me sometimes.

Quote from: Solar on May 12, 2019, 04:57:32 PM
We are not kids, Walks is pushing 90, I think, Super, in his early (70s?) and I'm mid 60s, we've all experienced life, and no longer find simple chit chat as productive, that may be why you don't grasp our language.

Well, even simple chit chat leaves me bewildered at times.  I understand when people ask me how am I doing I'm expected to give the expected response that I'm ok or I'm fine.   Socially, one is not allowed to tell the truth.  I still to this day don't grasp why one must lie in this case.  If I feel like shit why am I not allowed to say I feel like shit? 

Quote from: Solar on May 12, 2019, 04:57:32 PM
Like a kid asking innocuous questions to an elder, "Why"... Not saying you are, but that's how we see it, questions one should be able to answer for themselves, if they would only just get out and explore beyond your comfort zone.

I didn't understand that you all and others saw it this way.  I need to reduce my whys or somehow alter my communication style to get the context of something said or of a situation.  The communication issues I have make it more difficult for me to learn from the life experience.  I will say the more concrete it is the more likely I will learn from it without others having to explain it to me.  Example, When one hangs something up on a dry wall one is supposed to use anchors to help support the weight.  One lesson a person could learn is they screw something in without wall anchors and then the whole thing falls apart.  Even the idea of "life lesson" is so vague.

In concise terms the main thing I wish from other people is to know where I zigged when I really should have zagged and how to zag instead of zig.  And, how can I zag?

Quote from: alienhand on May 12, 2019, 10:26:19 PM
This makes sense.  With more gov't services there will be more taxes.  You don't wish to pay more taxes so you don't want to pay for the gov't services.  Leftists wish to force services down your throat you really don't want. 

I get what you're saying. 

I deal in facts as well.  I think I understand our communication differences between each other.  I'm more literal and precise in the use of my language and words.  What I'm beginning to grasp is most people have common sense definitions to their words and phrases that may or may not fit the dictionary definitions.

Funny and embarrassing story is when I went to order a pizza for a first time.  The order taker and I got into a mini argument.  I told her I wanted a large original crust pizza with cheese.  She asked me anything else and I said no thank you (being polite).  She went over my order and said you're getting a large?  I said "no, I'm getting a large original crust pizza with cheese. "  She said "You're getting a large then right?" and she sighed a bit.  I then realized both "large" and "large original crust pizza with cheese" meant the same thing in this situation.  It was that "large" was simply verbal shorthand.  I told her "Yes, I do want a large.  Sorry about that!  It's just been a long day."

Think of Abbot and Costello's Who's on First for an analogy. 

B/c of my literal, precise, linear, and concrete thinking there are times I misinterpret the situations.  There are times I need others to help me interpret the situation.    For me, learning from life experience malfunctions for me sometimes.

Well, even simple chit chat leaves me bewildered at times.  I understand when people ask me how am I doing I'm expected to give the expected response that I'm ok or I'm fine.   Socially, one is not allowed to tell the truth.  I still to this day don't grasp why one must lie in this case.  If I feel like shit why am I not allowed to say I feel like shit? 

I didn't understand that you all and others saw it this way.  I need to reduce my whys or somehow alter my communication style to get the context of something said or of a situation.  The communication issues I have make it more difficult for me to learn from the life experience.  I will say the more concrete it is the more likely I will learn from it without others having to explain it to me.  Example, When one hangs something up on a dry wall one is supposed to use anchors to help support the weight.  One lesson a person could learn is they screw something in without wall anchors and then the whole thing falls apart.  Even the idea of "life lesson" is so vague.

In concise terms the main thing I wish from other people is to know where I zigged when I really should have zagged and how to zag instead of zig.  And, how can I zag?

Got it, you confuse easily. Don't care. But honestly, in rural country, no one gives a damn if you make verbal mistakes. Unlike the city where no one has time for your idiosyncrasies, in rural America, people are more laid back and not in a hurry to run to Starbucks or pressed for time to pick up their cleaning, it's why we got the fuck out of the rat race and slowed down to enjoy life.
When was the last time you actually stopped and smelled the roses, or marveled at the wildlife around you carving out a small place to exist, the weather changing, all of this is nature, a force you have no power over but you can still sit back and marvel in its greatness. That's what I do everyday, as I sit here at my computer looking out at the forest.
When I ask someone how they're doing, sometimes I say, "No Seriously, How Are you Doing"? People will sometimes open up with a story and tell the truth and we listen with interest, or we wouldn't have asked in the first place. Try it yourself, you complain that you are forced to lie, so, be genuine, ask them sincerely, "How are you doing"?

I like to believe the 1800s never died out.

Quote from: Solar on May 13, 2019, 06:48:41 AM
Got it, you confuse easily. Don't care. But honestly, in rural country, no one gives a damn if you make verbal mistakes. Unlike the city where no one has time for your idiosyncrasies, in rural America, people are more laid back and not in a hurry to run to Starbucks or pressed for time to pick up their cleaning, it's why we got the fuck out of the rat race and slowed down to enjoy life.

Ya, I get confused easily. 

Like Willoughby?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Stop_at_Willoughby

I've always dreamed of a place like this.  And, by the way in this episode the guy's wife was a complete bitch and his boss was an ass.

Quote from: Solar on May 13, 2019, 06:48:41 AM
When was the last time you actually stopped and smelled the roses, or marveled at the wildlife around you carving out a small place to exist, the weather changing, all of this is nature, a force you have no power over but you can still sit back and marvel in its greatness. That's what I do everyday, as I sit here at my computer looking out at the forest.

sounds like paradise to me!

Quote from: Solar on May 13, 2019, 06:48:41 AM
When I ask someone how they're doing, sometimes I say, "No Seriously, How Are you Doing"? People will sometimes open up with a story and tell the truth and we listen with interest, or we wouldn't have asked in the first place. Try it yourself, you complain that you are forced to lie, so, be genuine, ask them sincerely, "How are you doing"?

Alright!  I'll try that.

Quote from: Solar on May 13, 2019, 06:48:41 AM
I like to believe the 1800s never died out.

You definitely have an attraction to the past.

Quote from: alienhand on May 13, 2019, 08:28:18 AM
Ya, I get confused easily. 

Like Willoughby?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Stop_at_Willoughby

I've always dreamed of a place like this.  And, by the way in this episode the guy's wife was a complete bitch and his boss was an ass.

sounds like paradise to me!

Alright!  I'll try that.
You definitely have an attraction to the past.

Because the left wants to destroy our future. That's the honest truth, so we must hold onto who we are.

Quote from: alienhand on May 13, 2019, 08:28:18 AM
Ya, I get confused easily. 

Like Willoughby?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Stop_at_Willoughby

I've always dreamed of a place like this.  And, by the way in this episode the guy's wife was a complete bitch and his boss was an ass.

sounds like paradise to me!

Alright!  I'll try that.
You definitely have an attraction to the past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhEHB0a7Uyg

Here is a song that may humorously depict what simple country folks might relate to. I suspect you are not familiar with David Allan Cow, but he sums up what some folks are like. I urge you to listen closely to the lyrics. I will take the liberty to explain their meaning as, based on your shared experiences, they might escape you. The subject guy probably does not have a high school education. However, he understands one can still make it as difficult as it might be. He still relishes some enjoy joys of life with "Pearl in a can and Jack Daniels Black". Please note he is not depending on the government or anyone else to help him get by. Enjoy.

This man is the epitome of the Rural Man. He didn't blame anyone but himself, he isn't demanding the govt create mambypamby laws and regulations, he isn't suing anyone.

"Stepped into the hopper in the little hole. It just sucked my leg in and I was trying to pull it out, but it kept pulling," he said.

There was no one around to help and he knew no one would be there for a long time.

"When it first happened, I remember thinking, 'This ain't good. This is not good at all,'" Kaser said.

He couldn't find his cellphone to call anyone and his was becoming more and more desperate by the minute.

"I thought, 'How long am I going to stay conscious here?' I did know what to expect. I felt it jerk me again and I thought it would grab me and pull me in further," Kaser said.

He was left with only one option.

"I had my pocket knife in my pocket. I said, 'The only way I'm getting out of here is to cut it off,' so I just started sawing at it."

He amputated his own leg.

"When I was cutting it, the nerve endings, I could feel, like, the ping every time I sawed around that pipe, and all at once it went and it let me go and I got the heck out of there," Kaser said.

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Then, he crawled 150 feet across the farm to the nearest phone to call for help.

"I stayed conscious all the way to the hospital. I remember being unloaded up here on Lifeflight," he said.

He transferred to Madonna Rehabilitation Hospital-Lincoln Campus. There, he healed and went through physical and occupational therapy.

"He told me his goal, basically, 'I need to get home and get back to what I was doing before,' which was farming," occupational therapist Dani Willey said.

Despite what happened, Willey said Kaser has had an extremely positive attitude.

"Pretty nonchalant about everything that happened, like it was no big deal," Willey said.

"It is what it is, make the best of it is all you can do. It could have always been worse," Kaser said.

https://www.ketv.com/article/farmer-amputate-own-leg-to-save-his-life/27438602

No doubt a leftist write up, but there is a lot of truth in what they found.

City life damages mental health in ways we're just starting to understand

https://www.popsci.com/physical-surroundings-cities-mental-illness

Quote from: Solar on May 16, 2019, 09:31:35 AM
No doubt a leftist write up, but there is a lot of truth in what they found.

City life damages mental health in ways we're just starting to understand

https://www.popsci.com/physical-surroundings-cities-mental-illness

Well, I'm a thoroughly Suburban Man.

I'd have a difficult life if I lived any further from Shopping, Highways, and DOCTORS.

And truth be told, Suburban Life was pretty damn good before Political Correctness and Illegal Aliens.

In my day we NEVER smart-mouthed a Teacher or a Cop.

We all spoke English and loved America.

Even today, Suburban Life lends a small bit of sanity.

I have a lawn, and it is a short walk to small wooded areas were I can observe Rabbits, Squirrels, etc. It's just enough to keep me connected with Nature, and keep me sane.

Yes, I still despise Coyotes, and would like every last one within 100 miles of me dead - but you sure can't accuse me of being PC for that.

Mebe I have some "City" in my bones. But it's 1950 "City", not 2019 "City" where everything goes.

Quote from: alienhand on May 13, 2019, 08:28:18 AM
Ya, I get confused easily. 

Like Willoughby?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Stop_at_Willoughby

I've always dreamed of a place like this.  And, by the way in this episode the guy's wife was a complete bitch and his boss was an ass.

sounds like paradise to me!

Alright!  I'll try that.
You definitely have an attraction to the past.

Willoughby ?

No Penicillin, No Cataract Surgery, No Blood Pressure Meds - I dunno.

Some genuine benefits, but some genuine downsides as well.

Quote from: Rotwang on May 16, 2019, 08:44:06 PM
Well, I'm a thoroughly Suburban Man.

I'd have a difficult life if I lived any further from Shopping, Highways, and DOCTORS.

And truth be told, Suburban Life was pretty damn good before Political Correctness and Illegal Aliens.

In my day we NEVER smart-mouthed a Teacher or a Cop.

We all spoke English and loved America.

Even today, Suburban Life lends a small bit of sanity.

I have a lawn, and it is a short walk to small wooded areas were I can observe Rabbits, Squirrels, etc. It's just enough to keep me connected with Nature, and keep me sane.

Yes, I still despise Coyotes, and would like every last one within 100 miles of me dead - but you sure can't accuse me of being PC for that.

Mebe I have some "City" in my bones. But it's 1950 "City", not 2019 "City" where everything goes.

You just about described my situation as well. I grew up in a suburb of ATL before it became a major metropolis. I have experienced the best of both worlds without having to endure the hardships of the city or rural life. I moved three times during my career and each move was to a smaller community. I consider myself very fortunate.

Well, I don't know if you all read Steven Covey's seven habits of highly effective people, even though some aspects are simply to abstract for me I found one that says try to seek first to understand then be understood.  Which is what I'm trying to do. 

In short so I don't give any of you a long monologue, I get confused easily and looking at everyone's background and personality type (when a number of you took the personality test) helped out a lot. 

I have to say it is very enlightening to say the least.

Quote from: alienhand on May 17, 2019, 05:33:25 AM
Well, I don't know if you all read Steven Covey's seven habits of highly effective people, even though some aspects are simply to abstract for me I found one that says try to seek first to understand then be understood.  Which is what I'm trying to do. 

In short so I don't give any of you a long monologue, I get confused easily and looking at everyone's background and personality type (when a number of you took the personality test) helped out a lot. 

I have to say it is very enlightening to say the least.

You would do well in a Christian sect, or Mennonite, even an Amish town, where the basics are expected. Hard clean honest work, that all follow the Ten Commandments. Life is kept to the basics and they only depend on one another.

Quote from: Solar on May 17, 2019, 07:59:17 AM
You would do well in a Christian sect, or Mennonite, even an Amish town, where the basics are expected. Hard clean honest work, that all follow the Ten Commandments. Life is kept to the basics and they only depend on one another.

You really think I would.  What makes you think that?

Quote from: alienhand on May 17, 2019, 11:04:19 AM
You really think I would.  What makes you think that?

Because of the simplicity of life, that's it. I can't speak on the cultural issue like how you must deal with their socially acceptable language, or how they approach the subtlety of speech, but the getting back to the basics of life.