As I have mentioned on several occasions I am on Facebook. I find it a great way to connect with and communicate with old friends. I do not use it for any political conversations. However, many people do. I acknowledge most of my FB friends lean more conservative. That being said, I am amazed at the outrage I am seeing against Obama the last few days, especially against his BS gun control statements after the Orlando killings. This outrage connects to Hillary. Folks, this why Trump is doing as well as he is doing. People don't necessarily like him, but he is an alternative to Obama/Clinton.

I think that if Trump is not elected, we are toast.

Quote from: miketx on June 27, 2016, 08:15:25 AM
I think that if Trump is not elected, we are toast.

He's a lying lib, so we're toast even if you do support the ass hole, so vote your conscience.
Think about it, Congress is more apt to oppose Clinton than they are the lib Trump, and gridlock in Congress is a good thing, in fact, when they do nothing, Liberty wins, so vote Cruz and hope enough do, and if they don't, at least we'll have gridlock for the next four when Trump loses.

Quote from: Solar on June 27, 2016, 08:23:23 AM
He's a lying lib, so we're toast even if you do support the ass hole, so vote your conscience.
Think about it, Congress is more apt to oppose Clinton than they are the lib Trump, and gridlock in Congress is a good thing, in fact, when they do nothing, Liberty wins, so vote Cruz and hope enough do, and if they don't, at least we'll have gridlock for the next four when Trump loses.

A lot of people say that but I have seen videos from the past where he basically says what he says today. I hope you are wrong but if not and he gets it, there is nothing we can do. I however think he is not a lib and will do or at least try to do the things he has said he would do.

Quote from: miketx on June 27, 2016, 08:28:54 AM
A lot of people say that but I have seen videos from the past where he basically says what he says today. I hope you are wrong but if not and he gets it, there is nothing we can do. I however think he is not a lib and will do or at least try to do the things he has said he would do.

He admitted he is more Dim than Pub, Trump also stated his NY lib values.
Problem is, he's flip flopped on everything he said during the last year.
I'm not making any of this up, I've been watching Trump for years and long before he hired a group to study what pisses off Conservatives, I knew the guy was a slimeball without principles.

Every promise he made, was 'Just A Suggestion', of course we warned you all...
So now what will you do that he's leaning left and courting Bernie supporters?

Trump: Everything I say now is a suggestion


Look, anything I say right now, I'm not the president," Donald Trump said. "Everything is a suggestion, no matter what you say, it's a suggestion."

To hear Donald Trump explain his various proposals on Friday, including a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States—with exceptions, the presumptive Republican nominee made one thing clear: As of right now, they are all just suggestions.

Calling into "Fox & Friends," his final television hit of the morning, Trump was asked by co-host Brian Kilmeade about the response to his comment that his Muslim ban was "just a suggestion."

"Yeah. It was a suggestion. Look, anything I say right now, I'm not the president," Trump said. "Everything is a suggestion, no matter what you say, it's a suggestion."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-everything-i-say-suggestion-223157

Quote from: Solar on June 27, 2016, 08:23:23 AM
He's a lying lib, so we're toast even if you do support the ass hole, so vote your conscience.
Think about it, Congress is more apt to oppose Clinton than they are the lib Trump, and gridlock in Congress is a good thing, in fact, when they do nothing, Liberty wins, so vote Cruz and hope enough do, and if they don't, at least we'll have gridlock for the next four when Trump loses.

Brother, I think you're assuming that republicans will retain control of congress.  If Hitlery wins...they WON'T.  It will be Hitlery with a demoRAT controlled congress full of RINO republicans who have already demonstrated they are too spineless to do the right thing.  They will just further alienate the conservative minority in Congress.

I don't like trump.  He's a BAD used car salesman with bad hair.  I wouldn't walk across the street to whiz on him if his head was on fire, but if Hitlery is elected...WE ARE DONE!

The way I see it is, if Trump wins, at least the RINOs will be forced to negotiate with real conservatives like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and the 40 or 50 other REAL conservatives in the House and Senate to get anything done...cause the socialist party CERTAINLY won't help them.

Quote from: jdzbrain on June 27, 2016, 11:47:20 AM
Brother, I think you're assuming that republicans will retain control of congress.  If Hitlery wins...they WON'T.  It will be Hitlery with a demoRAT controlled congress full of RINO republicans who have already demonstrated they are too spineless to do the right thing.  They will just further alienate the conservative minority in Congress.

I don't like trump.  He's a BAD used car salesman with bad hair.  I wouldn't walk across the street to whiz on him if his head was on fire, but if Hitlery is elected...WE ARE DONE!

The way I see it is, if Trump wins, at least the RINOs will be forced to negotiate with real conservatives like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and the 40 or 50 other REAL conservatives in the House and Senate to get anything done...cause the socialist party CERTAINLY won't help them.

The base/TEA has made way too much headway the last few election cycles, to even assume we'll suddenly stop.
No, The left will not take either House, they are far more despised than the GOP and that's saying a lot.
The Establishment knows trump is "Business as usual" if elected, but know we'll hold their feet to the fire when dealing with Hillary, besides the fact that Trump already said he thinks the Marxists immigration policies are to heavy handed where deporting is concerned.

Nah, I'm beyond confident we'll retain both Houses.

Quote from: jdzbrain on June 27, 2016, 11:47:20 AM
Brother, I think you're assuming that republicans will retain control of congress.  If Hitlery wins...they WON'T.  It will be Hitlery with a demoRAT controlled congress full of RINO republicans who have already demonstrated they are too spineless to do the right thing.  They will just further alienate the conservative minority in Congress.

I don't like trump.  He's a BAD used car salesman with bad hair.  I wouldn't walk across the street to whiz on him if his head was on fire, but if Hitlery is elected...WE ARE DONE!

The way I see it is, if Trump wins, at least the RINOs will be forced to negotiate with real conservatives like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and the 40 or 50 other REAL conservatives in the House and Senate to get anything done...cause the socialist party CERTAINLY won't help them.

There is a good chance if trump wins we lose the midterms.

Quote from: s3779m on June 27, 2016, 01:49:51 PM
There is a good chance if trump wins we lose the midterms.

BINGO!!!

Sorry guys.  Just don't believe it.  If Hitlery wins, it's because they managed to turn out the base and we didn't.  If they turn out the base and we don't...we WILL loose at least one house of congress.  That's the way this crap works today with all the anger about the system there is around this country.  It's about throwing the bums out more than picking the right guy with most people.  Hell, that's how Trump got where he is!

Quote from: jdzbrain on June 27, 2016, 09:42:10 PM
Sorry guys.  Just don't believe it.  If Hitlery wins, it's because they managed to turn out the base and we didn't.  If they turn out the base and we don't...we WILL loose at least one house of congress.  That's the way this crap works today with all the anger about the system there is around this country.  It's about throwing the bums out more than picking the right guy with most people.  Hell, that's how Trump got where he is!

Trump got where he is because lib dems crossed over and voted for him. What do you like about trump, and please do not say "he is better than hillery"

Quote from: jdzbrain on June 27, 2016, 09:42:10 PM
Sorry guys.  Just don't believe it.  If Hitlery wins, it's because they managed to turn out the base and we didn't.  If they turn out the base and we don't...we WILL loose at least one house of congress.  That's the way this crap works today with all the anger about the system there is around this country.  It's about throwing the bums out more than picking the right guy with most people.  Hell, that's how Trump got where he is!

Let history be your guide. For the Dim vote to coalesce, they need new blood, as in Bill Clinton, or an unknown black Senator from chicago, a no name that they can imprint their version of"Hope and Change" on.
Do you see a rock star in Hillary, a known con facing fraud charges for starters? How are the Dims going to motivate a base that for all intents and purposes has abandoned the party and moved either Independent or LIBertarian?

Not only do they have to get those people back, but they need to motivate them as well.
TEA has it's own motivations and the main one is stealing the GOP from the Marxists. Now tell me, which base do you think has an interest in voting for a purpose?
Check the numbers during the latest primaries and compare those between party turnout, the dims had  historically low numbers compared to the GOP.

Quote from: s3779m on June 28, 2016, 12:05:42 AM
Trump got where he is because lib dems crossed over and voted for him. What do you like about trump, and please do not say "he is better than hillery"

LOL...do you actually read the post?

I DON'T LIKE TRUMP!!!  I SAID in my first post...I wouldn't walk across the street to whiz on him if his head was on fire.  My guy was Rand Paul.  A TRUE constitutional conservative...which is what I am.  Ted Cruz is as well...for the most part, but NO demoRAT is worthy of a vote, never mind holding public office.  There's a lot of talk about good conscience.  Well, in good conscience, there is not a chance in France that I'm EVER going to do anything that helps ANY demoRAT get elected to ANYthing.  Right down to and including dog catcher.  ;~)

That goes DOUBLE for Hitlery! 

Here's the thing brother.  If I'm unarmed and got to fight someone and I get a choice to fight a guy with a gun or a guy with a knife...I'm taking my chances with a knife.  I'm not standing in front of a gun I KNOW is loaded and intent on killing me when there is a CHANCE I can win and live with the other guy.  That's kind of the choice we have right now.

Hitlery is a loaded gun!!!

Quote from: Solar on June 28, 2016, 02:47:07 AM
Let history be your guide. For the Dim vote to coalesce, they need new blood, as in Bill Clinton, or an unknown black Senator from chicago, a no name that they can imprint their version of"Hope and Change" on.
Do you see a rock star in Hillary, a known con facing fraud charges for starters? How are the Dims going to motivate a base that for all intents and purposes has abandoned the party and moved either Independent or LIBertarian?

Not only do they have to get those people back, but they need to motivate them as well.
TEA has it's own motivations and the main one is stealing the GOP from the Marxists. Now tell me, which base do you think has an interest in voting for a purpose?
Check the numbers during the latest primaries and compare those between party turnout, the dims had  historically low numbers compared to the GOP.

Thing is Solar, it's not just about THEIR base.  It's about the conservative base.  A LOT of them feel just like a lot of us do and don't like or trust Trump as far as they can spit.  Problem is...MANY of them will just stay home.  So the demoRATs ain't gonna need a rock star.  All they need is a warm body...if that old skank can be called warm.  ;~0

You know as well as I do that the same 20-25% of idiots that have been turning out to pull the straight demoRAT lever for the last 60 years or more will do it again this time.  Minorities make up 20-25% of voters and they are going to do what they do and go straight demoRAT.  Only question is, will our base turn out for conservatives?  I hope so, but it's a crap shoot and hope is NOT a strategy.  ;~)

And as far as the Taxed Enough Already movement goes...we're still here.  Problem is, nearly 2/3rds of local TEA Party organizations that should be turning out the vote have been forced to shut down by the IRS's targeting of conservative groups.  And it's STILL GOING ON!!!

Until we manage a conservative majority inside the republican party in the House, Senate AND White House so we can purge these activist from our governmental bureaucracies...it ain't gonna get better.  They'll keep targeting political opponents and we'll keep being forced to fight on an uneven battle ground.

By the way, the most important vote we ever cast...is NOT for the president or even congressmen.  It's for the local dog catcher, councilman or state representative.  Cause some of them are the ones that will eventually be setting policy in Washington!

Quote from: jdzbrain on June 28, 2016, 09:24:55 AM

Thing is Solar, it's not just about THEIR base.

Wrong, it's all about their base abandoning them. I don't know where you get your stats, or is it based sol,ely on feelings, but seriously, it's not based in reality.

Washington Times article: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/1/donald-trump-drives-republican-turnout-to-record-d/

Republicans continued to shatter turnout records in their presidential primaries and caucuses Tuesday, while Democrats lagged behind in what analysts said was a clear indication of an enthusiasm gap heading into the general election.

QuoteIt's about the conservative base.  A LOT of them feel just like a lot of us do and don't like or trust Trump as far as they can spit.  Problem is...MANY of them will just stay home.

There you go, imposing emotion on the base. Stop It! The base is pissed, 2010 proved just how pissed off we are by taking roughly 1000 Legislative seats across the country, something never before seen.

QuoteSo the demoRATs ain't gonna need a rock star.  All they need is a warm body...if that old skank can be called warm.  ;~0

No, they're going to need a miracle, and that's what Trump was designed for. So if you don't resolve here and now, that you refuse to support a lib, you just as well give it to Hillary, because Trump has less than 30% support going into the election.

QuoteYou know as well as I do that the same 20-25% of idiots that have been turning out to pull the straight demoRAT lever for the last 60 years or more will do it again this time.  Minorities make up 20-25% of voters and they are going to do what they do and go straight demoRAT.  Only question is, will our base turn out for conservatives?  I hope so, but it's a crap shoot and hope is NOT a strategy.  ;~)

Again, check the stats, the black vote has abandoned hillary, so kiss that 16% good bye, and the rest of the die hard don't want a criminal and will simply stay home, because they know a Trump is a lib, so it's still a win for them even if they don't partake.

QuoteAnd as far as the Taxed Enough Already movement goes...we're still here.  Problem is, nearly 2/3rds of local TEA Party organizations that should be turning out the vote have been forced to shut down by the IRS's targeting of conservative groups.  And it's STILL GOING ON!!!

Until we manage a conservative majority inside the republican party in the House, Senate AND White House so we can purge these activist from our governmental bureaucracies...it ain't gonna get better.  They'll keep targeting political opponents and we'll keep being forced to fight on an uneven battle ground.

So why would you want to support a NY Lib and appease the Establishment for one more cycle?


FWIW: One post per quote only.

Quote from: Solar on June 28, 2016, 10:10:25 AM
Wrong, it's all about their base abandoning them. I don't know where you get your stats, or is it based sol,ely on feelings, but seriously, it's not based in reality.

Washington Times article: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/1/donald-trump-drives-republican-turnout-to-record-d/

Republicans continued to shatter turnout records in their presidential primaries and caucuses Tuesday, while Democrats lagged behind in what analysts said was a clear indication of an enthusiasm gap heading into the general election.
 
There you go, imposing emotion on the base. Stop It! The base is pissed, 2010 proved just how pissed off we are by taking roughly 1000 Legislative seats across the country, something never before seen.


No, they're going to need a miracle, and that's what Trump was designed for. So if you don't resolve here and now, that you refuse to support a lib, you just as well give it to Hillary, because Trump has less than 30% support going into the election.
Again, check the stats, the black vote has abandoned hillary, so kiss that 16% good bye, and the rest of the die hard don't want a criminal and will simply stay home, because they know a Trump is a lib, so it's still a win for them even if they don't partake.
So why would you want to support a NY Lib and appease the Establishment for one more cycle?


FWIW: One post per quote only.

I know ALL...of that Solar.  In the last 8 years, we've had the greatest turnover of power from one party to the other than at any time in our history since the early 1800s.

HowEVER...that does not address the fact that Trump IS the nominee and WHY he is the nominee and why Bernie...the socialist...Sanders DAMN NEAR beat Hitlery.  There is an "anybody but the establishment" anger in this country on both sides that is WAY bigger than the anybody but Trump movement.  The primary turnout...don't mean SQUAT to the general election.  They may have credited Trump with driving the turnout, and in a way he may have, but a lot of it was people voting for anyone but Trump or anyone but the establishment.  That's evidenced by his wins by consistently low percentage of votes.

We're gonna end up with a criminal in the White house...AGAIN...and the demoRATs in control of at least one house of Congress...again if our base doesn't turn out.  Their base WILL turn out.  Acorn will show up on Tuesday morning with a bottle of gin or a wheelchair and SSI check and drive them to the poles and they WILL vote demoRAT.  What you are saying is EXACTLY the same kinds of things people were saying about Romney and we ended up with Obummer...again, when anyone should have beaten him. 

Brother, that horse is out of the barn.  Trump IS the nominee.  The time to do something about it would have been before 14 RINOs diluted the process so thin that Trump could win with 25-30% support.  It's too late to stuff that smoke back in the fire now.  All we can do is to make the best of a bad situation and HOPE this country survives.  Cause it is GONNA get ugly if Hitlery wins!