Some Christian white racists use the bible to justify their racism.  Kind of odd considering there are no white people in that book.

Define "White People".

Quote from: Zouave on May 01, 2020, 11:29:02 AM
Some Christian white racists use the bible to justify their racism.  Kind of odd considering there are no white people in that book.

So do other people...  What is your point?   People, in general, will use their religion or their "idols" to justify their behaviors.  It's not a new idea by any means.

Why did you post this in jokes?  This should be on the Religion Forum...

Toy

Quote from: Solars Toy on May 01, 2020, 11:40:05 AM
So do other people...  What is your point?   People, in general, will use their religion or their "idols" to justify their behaviors.  It's not a new idea by any means.

Why did you post this in jokes?  This should be on the Religion Forum...

Toy

Simple answer. Because the poster is a joke.

Wikipedia (usually as good of a source as any...but not always just like most sources) The usage of "white people" or a "white race" for a large group of mainly or exclusively European populations, defined by their light skin, among other physical characteristics, and contrasting with "black people", Amerindians, and other "colored" people or "persons of color", originated in the 17th century. It was only during the 19th century that this vague category was transformed in a quasi-scientific system of race and skin color relations.

Not sure your purpose in this but here goes.   There is one race.  the human race.   Created by God from one man, Adam.   It wasn't important to God at the time so we aren't told the hue Adam's skin.   

Are you conducting one of those wars on Christians??  are ya?  LOL

Quote from: Calypso Jones on May 01, 2020, 01:24:36 PM
Not sure your purpose in this but here goes.   There is one race.  the human race.   Created by God from one man, Adam.   It wasn't important to God at the time so we aren't told the hue Adam's skin.   

Are you conducting one of those wars on Christians??  are ya?  LOL

Yep, you got it Right. He's a Marxist child.

Quote from: Solar on May 01, 2020, 01:38:34 PM
Yep, you got it Right. He's a Marxist child.

These Marxist kids make me sad.  They don't understand what they are gonna get if they get what they think they want.   Which will be basically nothing....their overlords will have it all.   

Quote from: TrumpTrain on May 01, 2020, 03:08:50 PM
If Jews were not white two thousand years ago why are they white now? Is that a dumb question?

What is your problem with race, Racist!!!

Quote from: TrumpTrain on May 01, 2020, 03:08:50 PM
If Jews were not white two thousand years ago why are they white now? Is that a dumb question?

Yes...  According to my DNA I track back to a sub Saharan area.  My looks show my German/Irish heritage...

God did send his people to all nations to be fruitful and multiply.

Toy

Wait a minute::L God called Abraham, and then skip a few chapters and then we have the twelve tribes, the Hebrews, slaves in Egypt, set free, went to the promised land, then comes the Kingdom of David, skip a few chapters, then Jesus, then 2,000 years later today.

So again, why are most Jews white?

And I am not racist, it is a serious question. I never understood it.

NOTE: I do know that there are Jews in North Africa, including Morocco, Algeria, Libya, and Tunisia, as well as Sudan and Egypt. I understand that they descend from a certain tribe. But other than that all the ones in Israel look white.
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Why are you focused on their skin color?  Maybe this is a question you should take to your clergy...

But I just finished a bible study on Joseph (so many things I never realized).  So Abraham (Abram) had a covenant with God.  God promised Abraham 3 things - land (promised land of Canaan), descendants (12 tribes/many nations would come from him), and blessing (Abraham and all peoples of the world).  So much more but I would probably bore you... 


Toy

Quote from: Solars Toy on May 01, 2020, 07:45:24 PM

But I just finished a bible study on Joseph (so many things I never realized).  So Abraham (Abram) had a covenant with God.  God promised Abraham 3 things - land (promised land of Canaan), descendants (12 tribes/many nations would come from him), and blessing (Abraham and all peoples of the world).  So much more but I would probably bore you... 


Toy

no you wouldn't. I just finished a bible study on Daniel.

Might find this interesting.  GotQuestions.org

Question: "Who were the sons of Noah, and what happened to them and their descendants?"

Answer: Noah had three sons born to him, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, before God sent a flood to destroy the world (Genesis 5:32). Whenever the names of Noah's three sons are recorded, Shem is always mentioned first (e.g., Genesis 9:18; 10:2, 21), even though Shem was the second-born (the Bible often lists people according to prominence rather than age). Japheth was the oldest (Genesis 10:21), and Ham was the youngest (Genesis 9:24).

Japheth was born when Noah was 500 years old, and the flood came 100 years later (Genesis 7:6–7). Since Shem was 100 two years after the flood (Genesis 11:10), he must have been born when Noah was 502 years old. There is no record of when Ham was born other than the fact that he was born sometime after Shem (Genesis 9:24).

"Shem was the ancestor of all the sons of Eber" (Genesis 10:21), and this is important because the word Eber is the origin of the Hebrew word for "Hebrew." The word Shem means "name," which implies that Noah expected this son's name to become great. He was right—the modern words Semitic and Semite are derived from Shem's name. The Bible records that Shem had five sons: Elam, Ashur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram (Genesis 10:22). Shem lived to be 600 years of age (Genesis 11:10–11) and became the ancestor of the Semitic peoples (Genesis 10:1, 21–31). Abraham, a descendant of Shem, is the first person in the Bible who is referred to as a "Hebrew" (Genesis 14:13).

Noah blessed Shem above his brothers (Genesis 9:26–27), and it was through Shem that the promised seed destined to crush Satan came (Genesis 3:15). That seed is traced back to Adam's son Seth (Genesis 5:1–32), through Shem, and on to Abraham, Judah, and David, leading all the way to Christ (Luke 3:36).

Shem's son Elam was the father of the Elamites, who later settled east of Mesopotamia. Shem's son Ashur, whose name is related to the word Assyria, is most likely is the father of those who settled the ancient region of Assyria (Genesis 2:14). Arphaxad is thought by many scholars to be a compound form of the Hebrew word for "Chaldea," which was a region in southern Mesopotamia (Genesis 11:10–13). It was through Arphaxad that Eber came. Scholars believe that the descendants of Shem's son Lud became known as the Lydians of Asia Minor. And Aram is identified by Bible scholars with the area northeast of the Promised Land, known today as Syria (cf. 2 Kings 16:6). The sons of Aram are listed in Genesis 10:23. Of Aram's sons, Uz is later referred to in the book of Job (Job 1:1).

Noah's firstborn son, Japheth, is listed as the father of Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras (Genesis 10:2). Their descendants became the people who lived to the north and west of Israel and, after Babel, spoke what today are classified as Indo-European languages.

In blessing his son Japheth, Noah said, "May God extend Japheth's territory; / may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, / and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth" (Genesis 9:27). There are two schools of thought regarding what this prophecy about Japheth means.

Some scholars are of the opinion that the enlargement of Japheth's territory refers to a great numerical increase of his descendants. The comment "may Japheth live in the tents of Shem" means that Japheth will share in the blessings of Shem. According to this view, there was to be a time when God worked primarily with Shem (the people of Israel), but later Japheth would be brought into connection with the faith of Israel to share Israel's blessings. A similar prophecy is evident in the Abrahamic Covenant, when God promises to bless all nations through Abraham's seed (Genesis 12:3). The fulfillment is found in Christ and in the gospel coming to the Gentiles at the inception of the church (Acts 15:7; Romans 15:16; Galatians 2:2). Other scholars are of the opinion that the extension of Japheth's territory refers to territorial enlargement, and living "in the tents of Shem" is the conquest of the Semites' territory by Japhethites. According to this view, the fulfillment was the Greek and Roman conquests of Israel.

Ham, the youngest of Noah's three sons, had four sons: Cush, Mizraim (Hebrew for "Egypt"), Put, and Canaan (Genesis 10:6; 1 Chronicles 1:8). Egypt was later called the "land of Ham" (Psalm 78:51; 105:23; 106:22). The Hamitic peoples are shown in Genesis 10:6–20 as becoming a godless and worldly power. It was the land of Israel that was assigned to Ham's son, Canaan, and for centuries it was under the control of the Egyptians. Ham is the father of the Arabians, Canaanites, and Africans, including the Egyptians. Due to Ham's sin against his father (Genesis 9:20–25), Noah cursed Canaan, saying Canaan would be a servant to Shem (Genesis 9:26). This was fulfilled centuries later when the Israelites entered the land of Canaan and subdued the inhabitants of that land (1 Kings 9:20–21).

Recommended Resource: Bible Answers for Almost all Your Questions by Elmer Towns

I have a question for you Toy from your Joseph study.

Did it talk about how Joseph saved Egypt by enslaving all Egyptians.  Yes, they were happy to do it to get food from Joseph's stores of Grain.  How did your study deal with that. 

Quote from: Calypso Jones on May 01, 2020, 08:21:58 PM
Might find this interesting.  GotQuestions.org

Question: "Who were the sons of Noah, and what happened to them and their descendants?"

Answer: Noah had three sons born to him, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, before God sent a flood to destroy the world (Genesis 5:32). Whenever the names of Noah's three sons are recorded, Shem is always mentioned first (e.g., Genesis 9:18; 10:2, 21), even though Shem was the second-born (the Bible often lists people according to prominence rather than age). Japheth was the oldest (Genesis 10:21), and Ham was the youngest (Genesis 9:24).

Japheth was born when Noah was 500 years old, and the flood came 100 years later (Genesis 7:6–7). Since Shem was 100 two years after the flood (Genesis 11:10), he must have been born when Noah was 502 years old. There is no record of when Ham was born other than the fact that he was born sometime after Shem (Genesis 9:24).

"Shem was the ancestor of all the sons of Eber" (Genesis 10:21), and this is important because the word Eber is the origin of the Hebrew word for "Hebrew." The word Shem means "name," which implies that Noah expected this son's name to become great. He was right—the modern words Semitic and Semite are derived from Shem's name. The Bible records that Shem had five sons: Elam, Ashur, Arphaxad, Lud, and Aram (Genesis 10:22). Shem lived to be 600 years of age (Genesis 11:10–11) and became the ancestor of the Semitic peoples (Genesis 10:1, 21–31). Abraham, a descendant of Shem, is the first person in the Bible who is referred to as a "Hebrew" (Genesis 14:13).

Noah blessed Shem above his brothers (Genesis 9:26–27), and it was through Shem that the promised seed destined to crush Satan came (Genesis 3:15). That seed is traced back to Adam's son Seth (Genesis 5:1–32), through Shem, and on to Abraham, Judah, and David, leading all the way to Christ (Luke 3:36).

Shem's son Elam was the father of the Elamites, who later settled east of Mesopotamia. Shem's son Ashur, whose name is related to the word Assyria, is most likely is the father of those who settled the ancient region of Assyria (Genesis 2:14). Arphaxad is thought by many scholars to be a compound form of the Hebrew word for "Chaldea," which was a region in southern Mesopotamia (Genesis 11:10–13). It was through Arphaxad that Eber came. Scholars believe that the descendants of Shem's son Lud became known as the Lydians of Asia Minor. And Aram is identified by Bible scholars with the area northeast of the Promised Land, known today as Syria (cf. 2 Kings 16:6). The sons of Aram are listed in Genesis 10:23. Of Aram's sons, Uz is later referred to in the book of Job (Job 1:1).

Noah's firstborn son, Japheth, is listed as the father of Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras (Genesis 10:2). Their descendants became the people who lived to the north and west of Israel and, after Babel, spoke what today are classified as Indo-European languages.

In blessing his son Japheth, Noah said, "May God extend Japheth's territory; / may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, / and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth" (Genesis 9:27). There are two schools of thought regarding what this prophecy about Japheth means.

Some scholars are of the opinion that the enlargement of Japheth's territory refers to a great numerical increase of his descendants. The comment "may Japheth live in the tents of Shem" means that Japheth will share in the blessings of Shem. According to this view, there was to be a time when God worked primarily with Shem (the people of Israel), but later Japheth would be brought into connection with the faith of Israel to share Israel's blessings. A similar prophecy is evident in the Abrahamic Covenant, when God promises to bless all nations through Abraham's seed (Genesis 12:3). The fulfillment is found in Christ and in the gospel coming to the Gentiles at the inception of the church (Acts 15:7; Romans 15:16; Galatians 2:2). Other scholars are of the opinion that the extension of Japheth's territory refers to territorial enlargement, and living "in the tents of Shem" is the conquest of the Semites' territory by Japhethites. According to this view, the fulfillment was the Greek and Roman conquests of Israel.

Ham, the youngest of Noah's three sons, had four sons: Cush, Mizraim (Hebrew for "Egypt"), Put, and Canaan (Genesis 10:6; 1 Chronicles 1:8). Egypt was later called the "land of Ham" (Psalm 78:51; 105:23; 106:22). The Hamitic peoples are shown in Genesis 10:6–20 as becoming a godless and worldly power. It was the land of Israel that was assigned to Ham's son, Canaan, and for centuries it was under the control of the Egyptians. Ham is the father of the Arabians, Canaanites, and Africans, including the Egyptians. Due to Ham's sin against his father (Genesis 9:20–25), Noah cursed Canaan, saying Canaan would be a servant to Shem (Genesis 9:26). This was fulfilled centuries later when the Israelites entered the land of Canaan and subdued the inhabitants of that land (1 Kings 9:20–21).

Recommended Resource: Bible Answers for Almost all Your Questions by Elmer Towns

Informative post for sure...One thing I did notice and would like to bring forth is the context.  There are some, in this case, believe that they would actually sleep in his tent. Its all about interpretation of the words and/or phrases.  How the people at that time referred to the words and how they used then.  For example...crucifixion of Jesus.  No way could he have been crucified in the palm of his hand.  But rather the Romans would of placed the nail right above the wrist.  The wrist, according to local tradition would be called part of the hand.  The Romans were proficient at crucifying people and knew where to place the nails.  Same thing is true with the feet.  In actuality each foot would of been nailed to the cross near the heal.  One more thing that comes to mind insofar as the words and there meaning.  Christ, on the cross, one of his last 7 statements was....I thirst.  From what I have gathered his reference was that he thirst for the salvation of souls. 

Sry, got off topic....