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Hello,

I've been trying to figure this one out.

So we know that Wilson had the support of socialists like W.E.B. Du Bois among others, and that he certainly leaned socialist himself being in with the progressive crowd of the period. 

So why would he work to pass the Act of June 1917 and the Sedition Act of May 1918?  Granted, it essentially was an attack on the 1st Amendment which socialists deplore, but it was used to penalize capitalists and patriots as much as socialists. 

Why would Wilson work to gag domestic socialists when he was clearly on their side?

I can't figure this out.

Thanks in advance to any help anyone can give.

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Re: Wilson and the Act of June 1917 and the Sedition Act of May 1918
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2016, 04:49:56 PM »
Most Americans were against WWI. Could it be he saw profit in one form or another by staying in the war?
Without more understanding of the era, it's hard to apply today's version of socialist to that of the 19th and early 20th century.
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Re: Wilson and the Act of June 1917 and the Sedition Act of May 1918
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2016, 07:07:11 PM »
Without more understanding of the era, it's hard to apply today's version of socialist to that of the 19th and early 20th century.

You got that right.  Today's American Socialist's are seditious. 
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Re: Wilson and the Act of June 1917 and the Sedition Act of May 1918
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2016, 04:21:47 AM »
You got that right.  Today's American Socialist's are seditious.
Good choice of descriptor.
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Re: Wilson and the Act of June 1917 and the Sedition Act of May 1918
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 05:44:05 AM »
You got that right.  Today's American Socialist's are seditious.

Meanings change over the years, don't they, ma'am?


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Re: Wilson and the Act of June 1917 and the Sedition Act of May 1918
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2016, 10:51:30 AM »
OUR SOCIALIST PRESIDENTS
Posted on April 27, 2011 | 9 Comments

Wilson, Roosevelt and Johnson were socialistic presidents. All three believed in America but sought to make it an even greater nation. Barack Obama is the first truly Socialist, not just socialistic, president. Obama seeks to transform America into a Marxist Socialist nation. He believes the United States is a deeply flawed arrogant oppressor nation that needs to be brought to its knees. John Bolton expressed it well when he said “Barack Obama is the first post-American president.”

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Re: Wilson and the Act of June 1917 and the Sedition Act of May 1918
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2016, 11:59:13 AM »
Barack Obama is the first truly Socialist, not just socialistic, president. Obama seeks to transform America into a Marxist Socialist nation. He believes the United States is a deeply flawed arrogant oppressor nation that needs to be brought to its knees. John Bolton expressed it well when he said “Barack Obama is the first post-American president.”

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Obama is also a product of our educational system.  Colleges have pumped out millions of Obama's since he graduated.

Just look at all of Bernie's supporters and the wacko's in Obama's administration.
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Re: Wilson and the Act of June 1917 and the Sedition Act of May 1918
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2016, 01:30:57 PM »
OUR SOCIALIST PRESIDENTS
Posted on April 27, 2011 | 9 Comments

Wilson, Roosevelt and Johnson were socialistic presidents. All three believed in America but sought to make it an even greater nation. Barack Obama is the first truly Socialist, not just socialistic, president. Obama seeks to transform America into a Marxist Socialist nation. He believes the United States is a deeply flawed arrogant oppressor nation that needs to be brought to its knees. John Bolton expressed it well when he said “Barack Obama is the first post-American president.”

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The definition of socialism has changed somewhat over the decades. Conservative scholar Kevin D. Williamson recently elucidated how modern socialism may be best defined. One of the criteria is a Plan. All modern socialist movements have a Plan. The Communist Manifesto is the primary reference text for most socialist plans but there are variations. The central factor in most socialist plans is Statism - which is to say, the People are made subordinate to the Plan and therefore, the administrators of the Plan must become more powerful than the People in order to best bring it to fruition.

If the People resist, socialist plans have contingencies for various degrees of subversion / force to bring the People into compliance, ranging from Communism (radical socialism at the point of a gun) to Trotskyite / Alinskyiste / Bolivarian socialism through legalism, subversion of government and propaganda war (aka Soft Warfare* using mass media to "convert" the masses).
 
So today socialism reveals itself when it moves to obtain conformity to the Plan and obedience to government Control as overriding priorities.

Obviously where those two priorities conflict with the Constitution, the Constitution must be overcome (through Fabian Socialist-style legalisms, Cloward-Piven style subversion of government or other means) since no modern radical socialist system makes provisions for any sort of constitutional form of governance which protects individual liberties or limitations on government power/authority as overriding priorities to conformity to the Plan or Control.

* Soft Warfare is the term coined by R. Buckminster Fuller to refer to the methodology employed by the North Vietnamese along with asymmetrical overt warfare, to defeat the United States and the Western hegemony in Southeast Asia in the Viet Nam War. It is the use of mass media as a weapon - nothing more and nothing less. This enabled the Communists to get the U.S. to abandon South Viet Nam not because it was defeated militarily but because it was forced to withdraw by domestic political pressure (with the assistance of leftist allies and "useful idiots" in the West).
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