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Title: Who Killed the Liberal Arts?
Post by: walkstall on August 26, 2018, 01:55:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sxttk5REkM
Title: Re: Who Killed the Liberal Arts?
Post by: Solar on August 26, 2018, 02:38:53 PM
Excellent!
Title: Re: Who Killed the Liberal Arts?
Post by: midcan5 on October 02, 2018, 11:46:08 AM
The views on all sides are unhelpful and create us against them in education and everything else it seems today. The irony is us against them exists even within the left.  Gitlin is a leftist who is accused of being old and white and well to do. See quote. In this environment no one wins.  And this book quote is from years ago.

"At conferences in recent years, when I have argued against the excesses of identity politics, I have heard something like this: "What he says is easy to say, therefore easy to discount. It follows directly from his social position. In fact, it is not 'he,' an author, who speaks, it is his 'subject position.' It is his objective social interest who 'speaks him.' Face it: His is the cri de coeur of a white male, heterosexual to boot, and no longer young. It expresses nothing other than the lament of his caste, which needless to say feels threatened. With reason-it has lost some of its power and resents it. Moreover, this particular white male heterosexual experiences a particular loss. He mourns the loss of a Left that can no longer be - that would have given him an honorable, even central place to stand. Once, he and his generational gendermates could with confidence have presented themselves as the Left, feeling themselves justified in their life-choices, for they did well by doing good. They felt secure in a lineage, for were they not the good sons who would in the course of events inherit the family business, that business being, in this case, a political tendency? Imagine their chagrin and disturbance to find that they had been swept aside, that the mantle of liberation had itself been liberated by young upstarts, exposing erstwhile radicals as nothing but nostalgic conservateurs! To be sure, like all interested parties, the author casts his views in the shape of disinterested observations. He purports to reason his way to his conclusions. Well, this is ever the way in which the powerful claim a mantle of justification-choosing which arguments to accentuate and which to neglect. In fact, his reasons are post hoc. His conclusions came first. His arguments amount to nothing more than rhetorical gestures."

'The Twilight of Common Dreams: Why America Is Wracked by Culture Wars' by Todd Gitlin

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36263.The_Twilight_of_Common_Dreams
Title: Re: Who Killed the Liberal Arts?
Post by: Maradonasr on October 09, 2018, 10:14:18 PM
I'm also looking for this fact as well.
Title: Re: Who Killed the Liberal Arts?
Post by: Hondo69 on November 15, 2018, 01:45:43 AM
"Who Killed Homer" by Victor Davis Hanson explains the problem in detail
Title: Re: Who Killed the Liberal Arts?
Post by: Ploughboy on December 10, 2018, 06:44:54 AM
Liberal arts is a joke today.
Title: Re: Who Killed the Liberal Arts?
Post by: walkstall on December 10, 2018, 07:14:14 AM
Liberal arts is a joke today.


It's been a joke for a long time.
Title: Re: Who Killed the Liberal Arts?
Post by: Sick Of Silence on December 10, 2018, 07:22:06 AM
Did Liberals kill the Liberal Arts?