USSR Gulag Camp System

Started by GeorgeWashington, October 17, 2014, 06:32:33 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

GeorgeWashington

USSR Gulag Camp System

History needs to document and remember the infamous Marxist USSR Gulag camp system set up by the Liberal Communist-Marxist V.I. Lenin.

I found some great short films and a feature film being made now about it:

https://indiegogo.com/projects/gulag-barashevo

Clip of the film talking about how the Marxist USSR was against the Family.
https://vimeo.com/108938008

Very interesting. No wonder Marxist Hollywood won't touch the historical subject of the USSR Gulags.


kit saginaw

It's been touched-on... 

You mean an in-depth drama about one camp? 

There's The Way Back, from 2010, with Colin Farrell and Ed Harris, escaping from a Siberian gulag.  It's frontloaded with political overtones, then eases-into survivalist soliloquies. 

And guys like Solzhenitsyn don't wanna 'sell out' to Hollywood for a quick buck.  Their suffering has to have a meaning greater than themselves.

If it's not a documentary, you've gotta draw an audience in with a story. 

Mountainshield

It is still going on in Socialist Paradise of North Korea, ah Socialism is glorious. isn't it strange how liberals try to explain that socialism and communism is two different things when the name of the USSR was "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" or that every communist party in the world identifies as socialist?

Drawings from escaped concentration camp survivors.








SVPete

Probably one of the best histories of the Soviet Gulags is still Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago. It's at once compelling and pathetic ... pathetic, because its more than 40 years old!

As for a compelling story, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich would be pretty suitable for Hollyweird, but for their generally Leftist-Marxist bias. Ad it's more than 50 years old.

China, NoKo, and Vietnam all have their "reeducation" camps, and there are survivors' stories in print. Hollyweird just doesn't want to "go there".
SVPete

Envy is Greed's bigger, more evil, twin.

Those who can, do.
Those who know, teach.
Ignorant incapables, regulate.

Solar

Quote from: SVPete on October 18, 2014, 11:11:53 AM
Probably one of the best histories of the Soviet Gulags is still Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago. It's at once compelling and pathetic ... pathetic, because its more than 40 years old!

As for a compelling story, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich would be pretty suitable for Hollyweird, but for their generally Leftist-Marxist bias. Ad it's more than 50 years old.

China, NoKo, and Vietnam all have their "reeducation" camps, and there are survivors' stories in print. Hollyweird just doesn't want to "go there".
The sad part is, you, I and millions of people remember it like yesterday, but to libs it's ancient history, and that man has suddenly evolved beyond evil.
Official Trump Cult Member

#WWG1WGA

Q PATRIOT!!!

GeorgeWashington

Quote from: kit saginaw on October 18, 2014, 01:45:54 AM
It's been touched-on... 

You mean an in-depth drama about one camp? 

There's The Way Back, from 2010, with Colin Farrell and Ed Harris, escaping from a Siberian gulag.  It's frontloaded with political overtones, then eases-into survivalist soliloquies. 

And guys like Solzhenitsyn don't wanna 'sell out' to Hollywood for a quick buck.  Their suffering has to have a meaning greater than themselves.

If it's not a documentary, you've gotta draw an audience in with a story.

In the interview Colin Farrell made on the DVD, he said he never knew of the millions killed in the Communist genocide, that it was a shock to him. From what I've seen of that movie I linked to, it seems like a love story in there somewhere.


GeorgeWashington

#6
Quote from: SVPete on October 18, 2014, 11:11:53 AM
Probably one of the best histories of the Soviet Gulags is still Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago. It's at once compelling and pathetic ... pathetic, because its more than 40 years old!

As for a compelling story, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich would be pretty suitable for Hollyweird, but for their generally Leftist-Marxist bias. Ad it's more than 50 years old.

China, NoKo, and Vietnam all have their "reeducation" camps, and there are survivors' stories in print. Hollyweird just doesn't want to "go there".

Good points.

After checking out Indiegogo site I found the other sites for the film.
I found these graphics on the film's website.

http://gulagbarashevomovie.com/


http://www.celtic-films.com/
Evidently bringing the young generation back to life.


Looks like a love story of sorts.


At least it will bring the horrors of Marxism to the next generation.

GeorgeWashington

Quote from: Solar on October 18, 2014, 11:26:21 AM
The sad part is, you, I and millions of people remember it like yesterday, but to libs it's ancient history, and that man has suddenly evolved beyond evil.

Yes, Liberals want to think there is a Workers' Utopia and don't want to remember that the last time that occurred tens of millions of people were murdered in Gulag death camps.

http://gulagbarashevomovie.com/

Nobel Prize winner Solzhenitsyn is relegated to secondary status in Liberal media.

But word is spreading and they can't stop it now.
https://www.facebook.com/GulagBarashevo


The Observer

In every communist country I have been in and I've been in a few, the absense of a belief  in a God produces an alternative belief, whether that's leader hero worship, money or power - there is no atheism. It's no coincidence that the worst atrocities in the 20th century were perpetuated in regimes that denied the existence of God and every communist country bar none also includes a dictatorship.

People concentrate on the poverty and human rights abuses in these places, but the over riding feeling when entering a country with 'People's' or 'socialist' in its description title is a feeling of a country without a soul, a sort of emptiness or a vacuum that's difficult to describe. 

SVPete

Quote from: The Observer on October 26, 2014, 03:23:26 AM
In every communist country I have been in and I've been in a few, the absense of a belief  in a God produces an alternative belief, whether that's leader hero worship, money or power - there is no atheism. It's no coincidence that the worst atrocities in the 20th century were perpetuated in regimes that denied the existence of God and every communist country bar none also includes a dictatorship.

People concentrate on the poverty and human rights abuses in these places, but the over riding feeling when entering a country with 'People's' or 'socialist' in its description title is a feeling of a country without a soul, a sort of emptiness or a vacuum that's difficult to describe.

Some very perceptive comments!

I've not traveled as you have, so I do not speak from experience. But just reading the histories of places like Nazi Germany, the USSR, and Mao's China (which I have, some) shows that at most totalitarian regimes and their LEADER at most pay lip service to some sort of god. Citizens' entire loyalty, to the the point of and into worship, must be given to the state and, in the cases of the likes of Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, to the LEADER. With the deaths of those personality cult figures, their successors were not cult-figures, but the state still acted pretty much the same. Totalitarian regimes will not tolerate citizens having a loyalty that is higher/greater than - or even equal to - the state and of course, when/where applicable, the LEADER. Theistic religions (most religions are) direct believers' ultimate loyalty to their God. Most theistic and non-theistic religions (e.g. Buddhism, Falun Gong) also lead and teach adherents to a sense of self-worth and personal spiritual progress that is apart and at least potentially divergent from loyalty to the state and its ideology.

Christianity, being a world-wide international religion, has gotten much of the brunt of totalitarians' persecution. Islam also has, to some degree, in China and the USSR. Buddhism and Falun Gong are non-theistic, but are persecuted in varying degrees in China because their philosophy/teachings claim the loyalty of its adherents and can lead adherents to diverge from the state's ideologies.

Blech! What a messy post this is!
SVPete

Envy is Greed's bigger, more evil, twin.

Those who can, do.
Those who know, teach.
Ignorant incapables, regulate.

supsalemgr

Quote from: SVPete on October 26, 2014, 06:39:24 AM
Some very perceptive comments!

I've not traveled as you have, so I do not speak from experience. But just reading the histories of places like Nazi Germany, the USSR, and Mao's China (which I have, some) shows that at most totalitarian regimes and their LEADER at most pay lip service to some sort of god. Citizens' entire loyalty, to the the point of and into worship, must be given to the state and, in the cases of the likes of Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, to the LEADER. With the deaths of those personality cult figures, their successors were not cult-figures, but the state still acted pretty much the same. Totalitarian regimes will not tolerate citizens having a loyalty that is higher/greater than - or even equal to - the state and of course, when/where applicable, the LEADER. Theistic religions (most religions are) direct believers' ultimate loyalty to their God. Most theistic and non-theistic religions (e.g. Buddhism, Falun Gong) also lead and teach adherents to a sense of self-worth and personal spiritual progress that is apart and at least potentially divergent from loyalty to the state and its ideology.

Christianity, being a world-wide international religion, has gotten much of the brunt of totalitarians' persecution. Islam also has, to some degree, in China and the USSR. Buddhism and Falun Gong are non-theistic, but are persecuted in varying degrees in China because their philosophy/teachings claim the loyalty of its adherents and can lead adherents to diverge from the state's ideologies.

Blech! What a messy post this is!

I had the opportunity to visit St. Petersburg, Russia pre-Putin and I can relate to The Observer's comments. It seemed the folks over 40 were totally lost with their newly found freedoms. The young people seemed to be embracing the better way of life (freedom). The older generations were miserable under communism but apparently had reached a comfort level with it. Later I visited Estonia which was controlled by the Soviets for over forty years, but they had not fallen into the previously mentioned comfort level. In fact, they despised the Russian occupiers. I feel this resentment was a motivator to not give up on freedom. I had the same feeling about the Poles when I visited there.
"If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch!"

Solar

Quote from: The Observer on October 26, 2014, 03:23:26 AM
In every communist country I have been in and I've been in a few, the absense of a belief  in a God produces an alternative belief, whether that's leader hero worship, money or power - there is no atheism. It's no coincidence that the worst atrocities in the 20th century were perpetuated in regimes that denied the existence of God and every communist country bar none also includes a dictatorship.

People concentrate on the poverty and human rights abuses in these places, but the over riding feeling when entering a country with 'People's' or 'socialist' in its description title is a feeling of a country without a soul, a sort of emptiness or a vacuum that's difficult to describe.
Well said and ohhh sooo true...
Many of us saw the future. My father having been born in 1916, and my grand parents running from communists, gave me quite the civics lesson growing up, it's why my grand mother on her death bed, whispered to my father, that we were Jooos, then dies.
Yeah, that left me with far more questions than answers, but an understanding, that no matter the belief, if it's not in the State, then you're the enemy.

The "Communist Goals 1963" listed in our library, are nearly fulfilled, and religion was the main target of commies, in order to destroy our culture.
And people wonder why we hate RINO, it was they, who allowed the enemy into the city.
Official Trump Cult Member

#WWG1WGA

Q PATRIOT!!!

SVPete

Quote from: Solar on October 26, 2014, 08:02:32 AM
Many of us saw the future. My father having been born in 1916, and my grand parents running from communists, gave me quite the civics lesson growing up, it's why my grand mother on her death bed, whispered to my father, that we were Jooos, then dies.

Interesting coincidence. My paternal grandparents were Volga Germans who left Russia in 1904, knowing what was coming (it almost came 12 years earlier than it did, there having been a failed revolution in 1905-1906). Their oldest daughter was born in Russia, but my father and the rest of his siblings in the US (near Yolo and Woodland). My grandmother had two or more (I don't know how many) brothers who were serving in the Russian army, in the Czar's bodyguard, and who did not leave. They ceased responding to letters some time in the 1920s.

Hitler is appropriately infamous for slaughtering Jews in the Holocaust. Less commonly known is that Stalin was about to unleash his own Holocaust when he died in 1953. Thankfully, his plans died with him.
SVPete

Envy is Greed's bigger, more evil, twin.

Those who can, do.
Those who know, teach.
Ignorant incapables, regulate.

kalash

Quote from: SVPete on October 18, 2014, 11:11:53 AM
Probably one of the best histories of the Soviet Gulags is still Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago. It's at once compelling and pathetic ... pathetic, because its more than 40 years old!

Pathetic, cos' this bunch of lies got Nobel price for this creep - solzhenitsyn. Well,   Obama, Gorbachov, Arafat, Solzhenitsyn... very suitable company,

SVPete

So, the Soviet government publishes One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich and that's truth, but Gulag Archipelago and that's a "bunch of lies" and the author of both, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, is a "creep"? That's a very good example of cognitive dissonance.

Nikita Sergeyevich admitted it. Face the truth, kalash, instead of futilely trying to deny it!
SVPete

Envy is Greed's bigger, more evil, twin.

Those who can, do.
Those who know, teach.
Ignorant incapables, regulate.