I wanted that we connect history with the present day, and realize that the things didn't really change. There is no moving forward until historical errors are corrected. Marxist false historical narrative is still being widely spread, while the truth is still being forbidden.

As an example, there is a popular "World War Two" channel on You Tube created by Indy Neidell. I liked their "World War One" series, and I didn't expect from them to spread false Marxist narrative. In their two recent videos, they have promoted common Marxist lies. They have put some communist partisan bitch and that murderer Tito in thumbnails, presenting them as heroes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woIHWrH-nSw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4y0HdOtGkA

"Yugoslav Resistance and Serb Collaboration in 1941", that is their first title. Where to begin from with this one, containing interwined obscene lies. They call the partisans "Yugoslav resistance", and the Chetniks "Serb collaborators".

So, lets begin with the partisans. During the 1920s, and especially at the 4th Congress of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia in Dresden (1928), the Comintern and the Communist Party of Yugoslavia have adopted the agenda of fighting against the Serbian bourgeoisie and "the oppressive Serb people", claiming that in 1918 the Serbian military who won the World War One has occupied and oppressed the national minorities in Yugoslavia. That is because the national minorities were voting for the communists. So, the Comintern and the CPY have called for destruction of Yugoslavia, "liberation" of national minorities, and creation of small Balkan communist states. (More or less what we got during the 1990s civil war in Yugoslavia, and what we have today in 2020.) Therefore, calling their partisan movement in 1941 "Yugoslav" is a plain perversion of facts. It is a common Marxist lie, that Tito's partisan movement was "Yugoslav", and the Chetniks were just Serb nationalists. In reality, the partisans wanted to destroy Yugoslavia, while the Chetniks were fighting for liberation and restoration of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.

Who were the Chetniks? Historically, the term Chetnik was coined by Matija Ban during the Serb national movement in Austria in 1848/49. Matija Ban was a Roman Catholic Serb from the city of Dubrovnik (modern day Croatia). He was the founder of the Serbian Chetnik movement. He also coined the term "Yugoslav" in 1835, calling for confederation between Serbia, Croatia, and Bulgaria. In the late 19th and early 20th century, Chetnik detachments were Serb guerrillas in Macedonia fighting against the Ottoman Turks and the Bulgarian guerrillas, and preparing the terrain for the Balkan wars of 1912/13 and the final liberation from the Turks. During the Kingdom of Serbs Croats and Slovenes, later the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Chetnik detachments were special forces, trained to fight as guerrillas behind the enemy lines. After the Germans occupied Yugoslavia in the April of 1941, at that time Colonel Draža Mihailović gathered the remains of the Yugoslav Royal Army, and formed the Chetnik detachments under the control of Yugoslav King and government in London, who were meant to fight as guerrillas against the German occupiers.

There were two main resistance movements in the Nazi occupied Yugoslavia? No. There was the regular Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland, also called Chetnik detachments, under the command of regular Yugoslav King and government in London. And there were partisan bandits, as paramilitary formation of the illegal Yugoslav Communist Party, which was previously banned in the Kingdom as a terrorist organization.

Collaboration? Yes, at some point, and on both sides.

While the Chetniks were fighting against the Germans from the very start, the communists have welcomed the German Nazi occupation of Yugoslavia in the April of 1941, and they were collaborating with them, until Hitler attacked the Soviet Union in June that year. The Communist Party of Yugoslavia and their partisans were in collaboration with the Croat fascist Ustaše movement from before the war and throughout the entire war. Tito's partisans have also signed a cease-fire with the Germans in 1943, offering them help if the Allies land in the Balkans.

Under the Italian occupation zone, most of the Chetniks were allied with the Italians. The Italians tried to stop the Croat fascist atrocities towards the Serb and Jew population. Italy and Germany were also in a cold war in Yugoslavia, because of the traditional animosity between Italy and Austria, which was now part of Germany, and their fight for the Adriatic coast. Therefore, the Italians have armed the Chetniks as their anti-communist militia to fight against the partisans, but mostly to fight against the Croat fascists. So, we had the situation, that the Italians were German Axis allies, but they were arming the Chetniks who were fighting against the Germans and their Croat allies. Yugoslav King and government in London and the Allies knew about this Italian-Chetnik cooperation, and they approved it, as their strategy to win Italy to switch the sides. Which happened in the fall of 1943 with the capitulation of Italy. The Italian officers in Yugoslavia demanded they join the Chetniks, but they were ordered by the Allies to join the partisans instead, as the Allies switched their support from the Chetniks to the partisans in order to please Stalin. The Italian officers didn't want to join some forest communist bandits, so the Italians mostly fled back to Italy, while some of the remained Italian soldiers joined the Chetniks, and some joined the partisans.

There were also some local Chetnik commandants who were collaborating with the Germans, in a belief that communist partisans posed more dangerous threat than the German occupiers, but that was not the politics of General Mihailović and his command in London.

Life is complicated.

Alleged "German collaborator" General Mihailović at his headquarters in 1944 in the company of American officers.



https://conservativehardliner.com/interview-serbian-journalist-and-historian-miloslav-samardzic-foundations-communist-ideology

You can easily relate this topic to the United States of today, where the Marxists want to use various kinds of minorities to destroy America and establish their communist power. In Yugoslavia, Serbian bourgeoisie was the oppressor of the minorities, in America, straight white Christian Americans are the oppressors of the ethnic and sexual minorities. They have incited a civil war in Yugoslavia using the minorities, they now want to incite a civil war in America using the minorities. The communists always use the same recognizable methods and patterns.

WE DENY THE MOST FAMOUS CHANNEL ABOUT THE WORLD WAR TWO

Mr. Samardžić did a video in which he denies the claims of You Tube channel World War Two.

I have translated the video into English, and his editor did the subtitles, so if you want to watch, please turn CC on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUf7u58qC1U

What a RED HOT potato you got there!   I've asked before, "When hasn't that area of the world NOT been at war??".

Quote from: milos on October 24, 2020, 03:13:17 AM
As an example, there is a popular "World War Two" channel on You Tube created by Indy Neidell. I liked their "World War One" series, and I didn't expect from them to spread false Marxist narrative. In their two recent videos, they have promoted common Marxist lies. They have put some communist partisan bitch and that murderer Tito in thumbnails, presenting them as heroes.

I wanted that we connect history with the present day, and realize that the things didn't really change. There is no moving forward until historical errors are corrected. Marxist false historical narrative is still being widely spread, while the truth is still being forbidden.

Will we ever know or understand the truth - probably not in my lifetime.

I watched the entire WW1 series by Indy Neidell (sp?), enjoyed it, but always viewed it with skepticism, dramatizing historical events, just makes me *suspect*... kinda like  those exciting spy/espionage movies, if they were really historical... it's long periods of being bored to death, punctuated with a moments of excitement...  like taking off & landing an airplane, the rest of the time flying is boring.

Thank you for providing some perspective.  I quit watching the WW2 series a couple of months after he started, it just wasn't that interesting to me as the WW1 series.

Quote from: Hoofer on April 16, 2021, 11:03:49 AM
What a RED HOT potato you got there!   I've asked before, "When hasn't that area of the world NOT been at war??".

Will we ever know or understand the truth - probably not in my lifetime.

I watched the entire WW1 series by Indy Neidell (sp?), enjoyed it, but always viewed it with skepticism, dramatizing historical events, just makes me *suspect*... kinda like  those exciting spy/espionage movies, if they were really historical... it's long periods of being bored to death, punctuated with a moments of excitement...  like taking off & landing an airplane, the rest of the time flying is boring.

Thank you for providing some perspective.  I quit watching the WW2 series a couple of months after he started, it just wasn't that interesting to me as the WW1 series.

Thank you for your reply. I loved their WW1 series, but their WW2 series is just "WTF".

They are continuing with their Marxist historical narrative, on April 8th they have released yet another lying video. They claim Tito and Moša Pijade were leaders of the resistance in Yugoslavia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnPBozfXr10

Moša Pijade was a man who said in 1942: "It is therefore necessary to create so many homeless people, so that those homeless become the majority in the country. That is why we must burn. We shall shoot and then retreat. The Germans won't find us, but they will burn the villages for retribution. Then the peasants, who are left without a roof there, will come to us on their own and we will have the people with us, so we will become masters of the situation. Those who have neither houses nor land nor cattle will soon join us themselves, for we will promise them a great plunder. It will be more difficult with those who own some property. We shall bond them to us by lectures, by theater shows and other propaganda. So we will gradually go through all the provinces. A peasant who owns a house, land and cattle, a worker who receives a salary and has bread, is worth nothing to us. We must make them homeless, proletarians. Only the unfortunate become communists, that is why we must create misery, throw the masses into despair, we are mortal enemies of all prosperity, order and peace." The document is in the Archives of the Military History Institute in Belgrade in the file of the Supreme Command Headquarters (JVuO) - Chetnik Archives, marked K-12, 30/12.

I have put bold letters, but I can't emphasize this enough. Can you recognize Viet Cong tactics in his words? Can you recognize Marxist Hollywood in his words? Can you recognize BLM riots in his words?

That's horrible!

An interesting look into the mind & plans of a Communist.... destroy everything of value so they have nowhere else to go - but, they are valueless to the Communist.

Quote from: Hoofer on April 17, 2021, 04:18:55 AM
That's horrible!

An interesting look into the mind & plans of a Communist.... destroy everything of value so they have nowhere else to go - but, they are valueless to the Communist.

Yes, in the end, human life has no value to Communists. I wonder what does have some value to them. To be honest I am not able to understand them, except for there is a hidden agenda behind them, or maybe Marxism is simply a mental illness, but a hidden agenda seems more realistic.

I promise to get to this thread, it's just longer than I have time for at the moment.

Quote from: milos on April 19, 2021, 04:10:01 AM
Yes, in the end, human life has no value to Communists. I wonder what does have some value to them. To be honest I am not able to understand them, except for there is a hidden agenda behind them, or maybe Marxism is simply a mental illness, but a hidden agenda seems more realistic.

Marxism IMO, is based largely on laziness, greed and lust for money/power. 

Here's the real problem I have sorting that area of the world out, the "enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend" type alliances, which are based on ethnic heritage and not on anything related to governance.  It's just taking territory from the other guy, because it belonged to your great-great-great-uncle, or was told it use to belong to him.  It's been going on SO LONG, there's never, ever going to be a stable government, unless it's a tyranny, or a ruthless king who crushes anyone who so much as winks at his wife or daughter - dies!

What do you do with a 20-30yr old who was born on a tract of land, which he's farmed, married & now raising his own kinds - that his parents "stole" from another ethnic group (before he was born)?   All he knows is that piece of land, he's invested his entire life into it.  Yet, that land actually belongs to another guy & his offspring, who might have cleared it built the house the "squatter" is living in, built the fences, barn, etc., and got *nothing* for it...?  There is no simple answer. 

What would YOU do?

Then you've got the problem, as it's been suggested to me in the past...  it goes something like this:

A Communist regime promises to restore all your lands which was conquered by the Nazi-like regime - "the-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend" kicks in.  You fight WITH the Communists, get the land back, and immediately feel their oppression.  The Communists want you poor, hungry, homeless & angry enough to keep on fighting (you're just cannon fodder).   Along comes a Nazi-like racists promising you everything, if you'll help them kick out the Communists, Yeah, "the-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend", so you align yourselves with the Democrats-Socialists, grease Hunter Biden's palm, and start rolling tanks to the border to "take back" the land.  (once again, you're just cannon fodder).  When did they quit fighting for their country - who knows - it's not even about territory, it's ethnicity.

No joke, not kidding at all, one of the missionaries was accosted while traveling with his family.   The militants stopped them, were going to kill them, when the Pastor spoke up, "You know those guys who took your land, livestock, burn your houses, raped & killed your women?"  Yeah...  "We're on the OTHER SIDE!  We're against that!"  They let him pronounce a blessing, and after a few smiles, let them pass.  The-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend.  We laughed at first, until we realized, they're not fighting for a "Republic" or even a "Democratic" form of Government - they FORGOT what they were fighting for.  I can't see any way out of that mess, without a very strong military dictatorship.  BTW, the Pastor was correct, he is still on the other side, the side of Jesus Christ.

Do you envision any other way to bring peace?  (maybe not till Jesus Christ returns).

Quote from: Hoofer on April 19, 2021, 03:49:16 PM
Do you envision any other way to bring peace?  (maybe not till Jesus Christ returns).

Where there is injustice there can't really be peace. But there are different kinds of injustice, and everyone believes they are right.

Let me tell you about our Serbian-Croatian conflict. People here in Serbia know that all so-called "South Slavs" were Serbians in ancient times, and Croatia was one of Serbian provinces. In the beginning, it was same ethnicity, same language, same religion. But then, the Church divided, Constantinople and Rome became enemies, and the border went across the middle of the Serbian lands. So, eastern lands became Eastern Orthodox, and western lands became Roman Catholic. Then, the Jesuits decided thay needed a Catholic nation as a frontier towards the Orthodox, and they created a new Croatian nation from Roman Catholic Serbians who lived in a province called Croatia. They claimed they spoke different language, although it was the same, they claimed they were different ethnicity, although they were the same. It ended with fascist Catholic Croatians killing more than a million anti-fascist Orthodox Serbians in WWII - they have adopted the rule: "One third of the Orthodox Serbians in Croatia should be killed, one third should be expelled, and one third should be converted to Catholic Croatians." Finalizing it in the modern-day Croatia in 1995 by expelling almost all of the remaining Orthodox Serbians from Croatia, with the help of the communists in Serbia and NATO. But still, Serbians see Croatians as their brothers and the same people, while Croatians see Serbians as their arch-enemies and oppressors.

Now, there is a Croatian on Croatian land whose forefathers were Serbians on Serbian land in ancient times. As you asked, to whom does his land belong? It is just a fight for interests in the end, little justice or peace can be achieved there, and the land always belongs to the one who conquered it. But I still believe my Serbian side is right, because we are anti-fascist and anti-communist and on the side of the civilization.