Holocaust in Ukraine

Started by kalash, August 24, 2015, 09:44:41 PM

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205754/Blood-oozed-soil-grave-sites-pits-alive-secrets-Ukraine-s-shameful-Holocaust-Bullets-killing-centre-1-6million-Jews-executed.html
"...He uncovered accounts of how Jews were killed by the Nazis 'for fun', or 'out of anger, boredom, drunkenness', or 'to rape the girls'.
Yet the Soviet Union, for its own motives, obscured the full scale of the Holocaust on its own territory..."

What became revelation for him was well known and remembered in USSR...


Solar

Man....I'm speechless, the herd mentality, the evil, it's nearly beyond comprehension.
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Great article, Kalash.  Thanks for posting it.  Millions were saved from the primal hate by-word-of-mouth, but the atrocities were so vile that a lot of people couldn't believe it was actually happening.  So they didn't alter their daily lives, in preparation.

kroz

This is horrible.

I have never understood why the world hates the Jews so much.  What have they done to deserve this?   :sad:

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Quote from: kroz on August 25, 2015, 09:22:55 AM
This is horrible.

I have never understood why the world hates the Jews so much.  What have they done to deserve this?   :sad:
That always perplexed me too, so years back I asked my dad (because Grand ma told us a secret on her death bed, that we are Joooos), and he said that since before and after Christ, Jews were the money exchangers, (banks of their day), that they charged a set fee for transactions/loans/APR return, and held strong on these rules.
Well people liked the system, but they didn't like being held to a timetable or repayment, so resentment set in and it grew, to the point they were viewed as greedy Jooos, and the animosity holds to this day.

For example, look at all the Jews named Goldstein, Goldman, Goldsmith etc.
Man has always hated banks/Wall St. I guess. :biggrin:

Oh, and you noticed, I'm sure, the money exchange system used in the M/E, is the same one developed by Jooos many centuries ago, and Islum still uses it today in addition to standard banks.
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Quote from: Solar on August 25, 2015, 11:14:52 AM
That always perplexed me too, so years back I asked my dad (because Grand ma told us a secret on her death bed, that we are Joooos), and he said that since before and after Christ, Jews were the money exchangers, (banks of their day), that they charged a set fee for transactions/loans/APR return, and held strong on these rules.
Well people liked the system, but they didn't like being held to a timetable or repayment, so resentment set in and it grew, to the point they were viewed as greedy Jooos, and the animosity holds to this day.

For example, look at all the Jews named Goldstein, Goldman, Goldsmith etc.
Man has always hated banks/Wall St. I guess. :biggrin:

Oh, and you noticed, I'm sure, the money exchange system used in the M/E, is the same one developed by Jooos many centuries ago, and Islum still uses it today in addition to standard banks.

Thanks for that info, solar.

I knew the Jews started the "banking" industry way back when they were in Babylonian captivity... 7th Century B.C.  But I did not think they were considered "loan sharks".  As I understand it, they actually provided savings plans that paid interest.  They then shrewdly invested those assets into land and development.

The Jews have always been very wise people with creative minds.  That is why they have invented so many things.  They are extremely industrious.  They work hard and become affluent.  Then the less industrious envy their wealth and want to punish them for their success.

The same dynamics are present in Indonesia.  The Indonesian people are generally somewhat less than industrious.  However there is a large Chinese presence in Indonesia.  They own the Banks and control the economy.  For that they are hated.

During the 1998 Revolution and overthrow of the government, the Indonesians drove the Chinese out of their homes and looted them and set them on fire.  The wealthy Chinese were pouring into Hotels trying to get rooms for their families.  I happened to be in the Hilton Hotel at that time and it was totally full and Chinese families were sitting on the floor of the lobby and around the walls.  They tried to stay out of the walkways, but there were large numbers of them.  They were waiting for people to check out of their rooms so they could get them.  They were terrified for their lives.  Many were killed.  It was pure jealously.

I hate to think what the world would be like today without the Jewish people.  They have done so much to improve people's lives all around the world.

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Quote from: kroz on August 25, 2015, 11:37:33 AM
Thanks for that info, solar.

I knew the Jews started the "banking" industry way back when they were in Babylonian captivity... 7th Century B.C.  But I did not think they were considered "loan sharks".  As I understand it, they actually provided savings plans that paid interest.  They then shrewdly invested those assets into land and development.

The Jews have always been very wise people with creative minds.  That is why they have invented so many things.  They are extremely industrious.  They work hard and become affluent.  Then the less industrious envy their wealth and want to punish them for their success.

The same dynamics are present in Indonesia.  The Indonesian people are generally somewhat less than industrious.  However there is a large Chinese presence in Indonesia.  They own the Banks and control the economy.  For that they are hated.

During the 1998 Revolution and overthrow of the government, the Indonesians drove the Chinese out of their homes and looted them and set them on fire.  The wealthy Chinese were pouring into Hotels trying to get rooms for their families.  I happened to be in the Hilton Hotel at that time and it was totally full and Chinese families were sitting on the floor of the lobby and around the walls.  They tried to stay out of the walkways, but there were large numbers of them.  They were waiting for people to check out of their rooms so they could get them.  They were terrified for their lives.  Many were killed.  It was pure jealously.

I hate to think what the world would be like today without the Jewish people.  They have done so much to improve people's lives all around the world.
From what I understand, it was the Jews strict adherence of rules.
When they gave a loan on collateral, and the beneficiary didn't keep their end of the bargain, they collected on the debt by not returning said collateral.
Much like a pawn shop, you agreed to the deal, now you suffer the consequences of your failed actions.

This is the age old lesson of living beyond one's means.

I guess it's not so much that they hate Jews, but what Jews represent in exposing the faults of human nature, where one is responsible for their own failures in life. And they don't want to be reminded that their ancestors were failures, and Jews capitalized on ones bankruptcies.

I guess Jews are the epitome of capitalists, and why America is despised for it's successful run in history.
And yeah, look at all the good America has brought to the world using the Jewish system.
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Quote from: Solar on August 25, 2015, 12:14:34 PM

I guess Jews are the epitome of capitalists, and why America is despised for it's successful run in history.
And yeah, look at all the good America has brought to the world using the Jewish system.

I think you are absolutely right about that!

But the persecution is still rooted in envy.... one of the most common vices.

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Quote from: kroz on August 25, 2015, 12:29:47 PM
I think you are absolutely right about that!

But the persecution is still rooted in envy.... one of the most common vices.
BINGO!!!!
Jews have never been the animals the rest of the M/E savages were. (no offence to animals intended)
Why Hitler did what he did, has never made any sense at all until you pointed out jealousy, because Jews are essentially white, and or a Religious following.
Granted, majority of Jews are of ancestral heritage, but it's not as if they have Jooo written across their forehead.
I guess you're right, in Hitler's case, he was jealous of the ingenuity and the intellectual culture of Jewish heritage, where achieving and making something of yourself was part of the culture.
Hitler needed to eradicate competition for his Aryan race to succeed. What a twisted SOB!
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Russians, Romans, Turks, Whites, Germans - Everyone is or was evil to someone.

I pray to Jesus someday everyone be judged by HIM alone, for we all are sinners.

Reparations ? Bite me.

Justaguy

Communism killed far more people than the Nazis ever dreamed of.  Yet, no one really talks much about that.

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Quote from: Solar on August 25, 2015, 12:46:15 PM
BINGO!!!!
Jews have never been the animals the rest of the M/E savages were.

Not exactly true.  http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

That said, there is plenty of blame to spread around.  Using violence to spread a political, religious, or philosophical idea, or for one group to gain the upper hand over another is not new.  Using violence to resist it is not new either.

I guess my position is that there are not any "clean as the driven snow" groups on this planet.

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Quote from: Justaguy on December 27, 2015, 05:08:50 AM
Not exactly true.  http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

That said, there is plenty of blame to spread around.  Using violence to spread a political, religious, or philosophical idea, or for one group to gain the upper hand over another is not new.  Using violence to resist it is not new either.

I guess my position is that there are not any "clean as the driven snow" groups on this planet.
Wow, an antisemite as well. And don't deny it, that link, aside from being a bigoted opinion piece, attributes mass slaughter to all Jooooos, all because the author claims they we're Joooos.
Stop and define Jew, is it a religion, heritage, race? My grand mother claimed we were Jooos, does that make me Jewish?
I haven't a clue what being a Jew means, but I know one thing, just because someone lays claim that all Joooos are evil for the acts of an individual, then some moron post a link to it as evidence to support said claim, is no better than the bigot that wrote it.
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Quote from: Solar on December 27, 2015, 07:15:00 AM
Wow, an antisemite as well. And don't deny it, that link, aside from being a bigoted opinion piece, attributes mass slaughter to all Jooooos, all because the author claims they we're Joooos.
Stop and define Jew, is it a religion, heritage, race? My grand mother claimed we were Jooos, does that make me Jewish?
I haven't a clue what being a Jew means, but I know one thing, just because someone lays claim that all Joooos are evil for the acts of an individual, then some moron post a link to it as evidence to support said claim, is no better than the bigot that wrote it.
It's an opinion piece from an Israeli news site written by an an award winning Jewish journalist.  I'm a little surprised that gets me painted as a anti-Semite. 

The point was not to diminish Jews as individuals, but to point out that they, as a culture, are just as guilty of committing atrocities as the next group.  People tend to try to paint them as the eternal victim, that's not necessarily the whole truth.

Would you attribute the events that took place in the internment camps in Poland during world war II to all Germans?  Of course not, but culturally, the German people have borne the guilt of it even though the vast majority didn't even know it was going on.

kalash

Quote from: Justaguy on December 27, 2015, 04:54:21 AM
Communism killed far more people than the Nazis ever dreamed of.  Yet, no one really talks much about that.
Сapitalists killed much, MUCH more. " Yet, no one really talks much about that."