Quote from: Justaguy on December 27, 2015, 10:02:58 AM
It's an opinion piece from an Israeli news site written by an an award winning Jewish journalist.  I'm a little surprised that gets me painted as a anti-Semite. 

The point was not to diminish Jews as individuals, but to point out that they, as a culture, are just as guilty of committing atrocities as the next group.  People tend to try to paint them as the eternal victim, that's not necessarily the whole truth.

Would you attribute the events that took place in the internment camps in Poland during world war II to all Germans?  Of course not, but culturally, the German people have borne the guilt of it even though the vast majority didn't even know it was going on.

Cut the Bull Shit, I wasn' born yesterday. That shit might work on rino and libs, but it won't fly here, and for you to even assume I'd even fall for that weak ass excuse is even more insulting.
I suggest you drop it while you're behind. One thing you won't find on this forum are the typical bigots, racists or Jooo hating scum you find on lib sites, and if you think I'll tolerate it for one second, just try me.

Quote from: kalash on December 27, 2015, 11:03:31 AM
Сapitalists killed much, MUCH more. " Yet, no one really talks much about that."

Have they?  Frankly, I don't believe that. 

Here's a chart that tries to quantify communist killings.



Where do you get the idea that Capitalists killed much MUCH more?   The greatest killers of the 20th century were governments, and of those the Communists were the worst.

Quote from: Solar on December 27, 2015, 11:20:50 AM

I suggest you drop it while you're behind. One thing you won't find on this forum are the typical bigots, racists or Jooo hating scum you find on lib sites, and if you think I'll tolerate it for one second, just try me.

That's a good way to kill reasoned discussion.  It almost smacks of a flavor of political correctness. 

What I said is correct, even if it doesn't fit your narrative.  But as the owner of the board, you are certainly free to do as you choose.  If you want this place to be an echo chamber for your beliefs, that's certainly your right.  If you want it to be a forum for the sharing of ideas, you'll probably want to make other choices.  It's 100 percent your call.

Quote from: Justaguy on December 27, 2015, 11:36:10 AM
That's a good way to kill reasoned discussion.  It almost smacks of a flavor of political correctness. 

What I said is correct, even if it doesn't fit your narrative.  But as the owner of the board, you are certainly free to do as you choose.  If you want this place to be an echo chamber for your beliefs, that's certainly your right.  If you want it to be a forum for the sharing of ideas, you'll probably want to make other choices.  It's 100 percent your call.

Give it a week, then go back with an open mind and see if you can't spot the red flags.
You'll find my reaction was more than warranted where a newb is concerned.

Fair enough.

Quote from: Justaguy on December 27, 2015, 11:30:52 AM
Have they?  Frankly, I don't believe that. 

Here's a chart that tries to quantify communist killings.



Where do you get the idea that Capitalists killed much MUCH more?   The greatest killers of the 20th century were governments, and of those the Communists were the worst.

You'll find he actually believes that tripe too, and understandably so, he suffered education under the USSR.

Quote from: Justaguy on December 27, 2015, 05:08:50 AM
Not exactly true.  http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

That said, there is plenty of blame to spread around.  Using violence to spread a political, religious, or philosophical idea, or for one group to gain the upper hand over another is not new.  Using violence to resist it is not new either.

I guess my position is that there are not any "clean as the driven snow" groups on this planet.

Some are dirtier than others.  Do you agree or disagree?

Quote from: Justaguy on December 27, 2015, 05:08:50 AM
Not exactly true.  http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

That said, there is plenty of blame to spread around.  Using violence to spread a political, religious, or philosophical idea, or for one group to gain the upper hand over another is not new.  Using violence to resist it is not new either.

I guess my position is that there are not any "clean as the driven snow" groups on this planet.

Your position is far too simplistic.

Quote from: taxed on December 27, 2015, 08:01:31 PM
Some are dirtier than others.  Do you agree or disagree?

It'd be hard to disagree with that statement. 

Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 27, 2015, 11:24:29 PM
Your position is far too simplistic.

How so? 

Quote from: Solar on December 27, 2015, 11:51:15 AM
You'll find he actually believes that tripe too, and understandably so, he suffered education under the USSR.

Heard from a friend of mine, in Kiev ...  during all the "slaugher" his church went on a camping trip to the Carpathian's, and sight seeing - burn wounds from the campfire, and scratches from the woods, cars were stopped (to get gas) .... yeah, it's pretty bad!
"Putin has quite a propaganda machine, don't believe it - he's trying to reunite the USSR."

Who would ever THINK they would stage that stuff for the media ... Oh, it's on the internet, so it's gotta be true!

Quote from: Justaguy on December 27, 2015, 11:30:52 AM

Where do you get the idea that Capitalists killed much MUCH more?   The greatest killers of the 20th century were governments

How nice, that capitalist countries doesn't have governments! Look at this video of Nortn Korean propaganda about life in USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v83wr9NVTl4
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And then try to imagine - this is EXACTLY how you were teached to see life in USSR.
P.S. And by the way, this video is a joke, koren voice in video telling about cold winter in Europe. But about american propaganda, it is no joke.