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History Books
« on: February 08, 2019, 06:32:31 AM »
Thought I'd share a few history books I think are worth your time.  Other recommendations welcome.

'The Glory and the Dream: A Narrative History of America 1932-72'  by William Manchester
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/19807.The_Glory_and_the_Dream

'Memoirs of the Second World War'  by Winston S. Churchill
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25589.Memoirs_of_the_Second_World_War

'That's Not What They Meant!: Reclaiming the Founding Fathers from America's Right Wing'  by Michael Austin
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15897043-that-s-not-what-they-meant

Five Books is a good source of information on all topics.  Five on American history below.

https://fivebooks.com/best-books/american-history-brent-glass/


"Only someone miraculously innocent of history could believe that competition among ideas could result in the triumph of truth"  John Gray

"History is the queen of the humanities. It teaches wisdom and humility, and it tells us how things change through time." Gordon S. Wood

"A book is proof that humans are capable of working magic, it’s a flat object made from a tree with flexible parts on which are imprinted lots of funny dark squiggles. But one glance at it and you’re inside the mind of another person, maybe somebody dead for thousands of years."  Carl Sagan
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Re: History Books
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2019, 01:07:36 PM »
Modern Times by Paul Johnson is excellent.

Dawn to Decadance by Jacques Barzun is another really good read.

I read a lot. But those are two of my favorites that I recommend for those new to the study of history.


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Re: History Books
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2019, 03:48:24 AM »
Barzun's book looks interesting, I have to check it out.  Two excellent reads in the same category are:

'The Modern Mind: An Intellectual History of the 20th Century'  by Peter Watson

'Ideas: A History of Thought and Invention, from Fire to Freud' by Peter Watson

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Re: History Books
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2019, 09:23:36 AM »
Ethnic America by Thomas Sowell was excellent. A brief history of the different immigrant groups that populated America, how and when.

Albion's Seed is very long but I loved it. It explains how America was populated by 4 different immigrant groups/waves from Britain and how they differently affected the US in ways you can still see today.

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Re: History Books
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2019, 05:54:36 AM »
"The best advice I ever got was that knowledge is power and to keep reading."  David Bailey

Interesting books above I've read two. So then how about a topic that is often considered hard going and depressing? Evil. Many years ago I read a book on sanctions for evil, I'll link it below. It helped clarify my thinking about evil. Waller's book is well thought out too. Religious people used to think it was temptation, the devil's work, but the modern world looks at evil differently and often simple ascribes it to another, be it for religious or secular reasons. A few recommendations below, enter with care.

'Becoming Evil: How Ordinary People Commit Genocide and Mass Killing'  by James Waller
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/106372.Becoming_Evil

'Evil in Modern Thought: An Alternative History of Philosophy'
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/161812.Evil_in_Modern_Thought

'Sanctions For Evil'
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4649945-sanctions-for-evil

Other suggestions:

https://fivebooks.com/best-books/cruelty-and-evil-paul-bloom/

'The Meaning of Hitler'
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54338.The_Meaning_of_Hitler

Talk:

http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil.html


"The trouble with Eichmann was precisely that so many were like him, and that the many were neither perverted nor sadistic, that they were, and still are, terribly and terrifyingly normal. From the viewpoint of our legal institutions and of our moral standards of judgment, this normality was much more terrifying than all the atrocities put together."   Hannah Arendt

https://aeon.co/ideas/what-did-hannah-arendt-really-mean-by-the-banality-of-evil

https://aeon.co/essays/is-neuroscience-getting-closer-to-explaining-evil-behaviour

"We first kill people with our minds, before we kill them with weapons. Whatever the conflict, the enemy is always the destroyer. We're on God's side; they're barbaric. We're good, they're evil. War gives us a feeling of moral clarity that we lack at other times." Sam Keen



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Re: History Books
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2019, 07:04:16 AM »
"The best advice I ever got was that knowledge is power and to keep reading."  David Bailey

Interesting books above I've read two. So then how about a topic that is often considered hard going and depressing? Evil. Many years ago I read a book on sanctions for evil, I'll link it below. It helped clarify my thinking about evil. Waller's book is well thought out too. Religious people used to think it was temptation, the devil's work, but the modern world looks at evil differently and often simple ascribes it to another, be it for religious or secular reasons. A few recommendations below, enter with care.

'Becoming Evil: How Ordinary People Commit Genocide and Mass Killing'  by James Waller
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/106372.Becoming_Evil

'Evil in Modern Thought: An Alternative History of Philosophy'
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/161812.Evil_in_Modern_Thought

'Sanctions For Evil'
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4649945-sanctions-for-evil

Other suggestions:

https://fivebooks.com/best-books/cruelty-and-evil-paul-bloom/

'The Meaning of Hitler'
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54338.The_Meaning_of_Hitler

Talk:

http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil.html


"The trouble with Eichmann was precisely that so many were like him, and that the many were neither perverted nor sadistic, that they were, and still are, terribly and terrifyingly normal. From the viewpoint of our legal institutions and of our moral standards of judgment, this normality was much more terrifying than all the atrocities put together."   Hannah Arendt

https://aeon.co/ideas/what-did-hannah-arendt-really-mean-by-the-banality-of-evil

https://aeon.co/essays/is-neuroscience-getting-closer-to-explaining-evil-behaviour

"We first kill people with our minds, before we kill them with weapons. Whatever the conflict, the enemy is always the destroyer. We're on God's side; they're barbaric. We're good, they're evil. War gives us a feeling of moral clarity that we lack at other times." Sam Keen
I've always found this subject of good vs evil to be a bit subjective, but fascinating.
Take Dims, they believe in their hearts that bigger govt is the answer, while the right sees this as rightly suppressing freedom and liberty.
Both believe they are right, both could justify fighting for what they believe in.

So who is correct? Does one group have the right to dictate what another group does? Nope. And most would see oppression as evil, but in the minds of the left, it's not oppression, they believe they are standing up for the little guy being overlooked by those fighting for freedom, individuality and liberty.
The left believes in their own crusade of protecting those without a voice, the right thinks everyone should be allowed to choose their own path. Who do you think is Right?
Both could very easily find consensus, but both sides have extremists not willing to budge.
Again, quite a fascinating debate.
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Re: History Books
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2019, 04:05:55 PM »
I read a few good history books in the past couple years.

Hitlerland - What were the impressions of Americans who went to Germany and even met Hitler in the 1930s, as they wrote it down at the time. No 20/20 hindsight. Lots of journalists and foreign service people. The women said Hitler was effeminate.

Bankrupting the Enemy - How the US financially squeezed Japan prior to Pearl Harbor through import and export bans and through denying them use of international finance channels. Very detailed. From the Naval Institute Press.

Seeing Like a State - Not exactly a history book but how the state sees people over history. The state wants to see, control, tax, and conscript and that explains their actions. Maps, roads, last names, and more.

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Re: History Books
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2019, 10:05:20 PM »
I read a few good history books in the past couple years.

Hitlerland - What were the impressions of Americans who went to Germany and even met Hitler in the 1930s, as they wrote it down at the time. No 20/20 hindsight. Lots of journalists and foreign service people. The women said Hitler was effeminate.

Bankrupting the Enemy - How the US financially squeezed Japan prior to Pearl Harbor through import and export bans and through denying them use of international finance channels. Very detailed. From the Naval Institute Press.

Seeing Like a State - Not exactly a history book but how the state sees people over history. The state wants to see, control, tax, and conscript and that explains their actions. Maps, roads, last names, and more.
Thanks, all sound rather interesting. I love history.
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Re: History Books
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2019, 07:33:10 AM »
For all you American wanderers and travelers, the mid-west is such a fascinating place.  I love the openness and the long empty roads, the small towns, even as they change and often close. I have photos in the south too where so much is boarded up and abandoned homes dot the landscape. Sad really. So seeing the book by Greg Grandlin sparked my interest as we often live or is that believe in a mythical place now past.

'The End of the Myth: From the Frontier to the Border Wall in the Mind of America'  Greg Grandin

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36743029-the-end-of-the-myth

A great read is 'Deep South: Four Seasons on Back Roads' by Paul Theroux  We've traveled many of these same roads.

Saw this too, maybe another time. 'The Absent Hand: Reimagining Our American Landscape'  by Suzannah Lessard


Footnote on Evil and books mentioned above.  An interesting read - not for everyone is 'One of Us: The Story of Anders Breivik and the Massacre in Norway' by Åsne Seierstad,  Sarah Death (Translator)

 

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