Quote from: Calypso Jones on June 01, 2020, 11:03:46 AM
conservativism isn't theology.  It's a political philosophy.   Individual rights, some God given. Such as right to protect ourselves.      Small government, them staying out of our lives.   Getting out of our way.   Respect for life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...OURs NOT Theirs.   Government's business is to protect us from foreign invasion and guarantee OUR rights, not theirs.

If I understand you correctly, rights, as opposed to the Bill of Rights, come from God. If the document came from God, it would not have been neccessary to make so many amendments. I understood the rights are for the protection of people, not government.

Quote from: Tory Potter on June 01, 2020, 11:31:42 AM
If I understand you correctly, rights, as opposed to the Bill of Rights, come from God. If the document came from God, it would not have been neccessary to make so many amendments. I understood the rights are for the protection of people, not government.

The nature of man is that we need 'amendments'.  Don't forget God gave moses the ten commandments and the the 'law' for the Israelites to separate them from the heathens around them.    Sorta like us too.     

Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
Thank you, it's a bit of a work in progress.

did you write that??

Quote from: Calypso Jones on June 01, 2020, 11:49:38 AM
did you write that??

Yes, over the last two years, like I say, it's still a work in progress. I stopped there because I didn't want to get redundant because without giving examples, anything I wrote would just be a repeat.
But you just gave me an idea. I could do an article attachment, expanding on what Conservatism is by citing great Statesmen of the past and examples of their deeds.

Thanks, I had writers block.

Glad to help.

Quote from: Calypso Jones on June 01, 2020, 11:49:11 AM
The nature of man is that we need 'amendments'.  Don't forget God gave moses the ten commandments and the the 'law' for the Israelites to separate them from the heathens around them.    Sorta like us too.   

Who are you calling a heathen?

I was glad this thread had so many views even if a bit off topic.  For a slight change of book topic, check out the book linked below. It will change the way you see COVID-19 and our investments in health care and research. While it is from 2017 there is plenty that applies to today.


"There can be no greater bang for the buck than investing in what I call a game-changing influenza vaccine. In any given year, or even in any given decade, the probability of a major influenza pandemic is low. As a possibility for some unknown point in the future, it is virtually a dead certainty."

'Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs'  by Michael T. Osterholm, Mark Olshaker

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/30841977-deadliest-enemy

"Mother Nature is the greatest bioterrorist of them all, with no financial limitations or ethical compunctions."

I don't know if you can name 'mother nature' as the ultimate culprit.  She gets a lot of help from stupid men, evil men and greedy men.   

Mother Nature or nature or the natural world hasn't any feelings and the research doctor who wrote that line looks at the spread of disease a bit different than most of us. It is true that these viruses are part of nature that can cause great pain. They usually pass from animals to humans and it is something that is changing as the world population grows and remote areas become no more. The book is fascinating check it out.

Quote from: Calypso Jones on June 08, 2020, 07:43:30 AM
I don't know if you can name 'mother nature' as the ultimate culprit.  She gets a lot of help from stupid men, evil men and greedy men.

Nailed it!!!
Blaming Mother Nature is a ludicrous, just as well claim God was backing the Devil. Point is, all life has a purpose, and man has survived because we have a body with the ability to fight back, which only makes us stronger, sounds like a solid plan, right?
I see vaccines as both good and bad, but the ones they're working on now go beyond the cellular level, literally rewriting our genetic code.

Think about that, man does not have the wisdom of the Creator, he has no clue how life actually works and to mess with the recipe of life, is playing Russian Roulette with a full clip.

Damn good post.

Hi all, been off for a bit.  We can call it 'mother nature' or life or the way we live today in a more crowded world, but there is no question COVID-19 like most viruses passed from nature to mankind. But that gets us off topic from history. My bad. I lent the book to a neighbor who thought every one should read it and I agree. I'll leave it there and get back to history.

I saw this author on TV yesterday and was impressed a republican who worked to make the party what is today has second thoughts. Anyone read it?  I'll check it out eventually but busy now. Be safe out there. 

'How The Republican Party Became Donald Trump'

Quote from: Tory Potter on June 01, 2020, 09:19:11 AM
Inspite of all of the above, the success of the Americans in the War of Independence has been of immence benifit to the USA,the UK and Canada. The UK and Canada have the greatest possible ally and partner in the US and inspite of the friendly debates over ancient history,(like when you lost the War of 1812  ), we could never have anticipated a better friend. Canada is the American's largest trading partner and vice versa.

Personally, soon as Trump finishes the wall on the southern border I hope he starts on the wall at the northern border.

Quote from: Tory Potter on June 01, 2020, 11:31:42 AM
If I understand you correctly, rights, as opposed to the Bill of Rights, come from God. If the document came from God, it would not have been neccessary to make so many amendments. I understood the rights are for the protection of people, not government.

The necessary part came about because the people did not trust the government to always protect those God given rights. Just because God gave man those rights does not mean government can not take them away. Just look at history. The U.S. when founded knew we had to be a constitutional republic in order to survive and keep those rights, which is also why many of us can not stand it when someone calls us a democracy.

Quote from: Possum on June 27, 2020, 04:49:44 AM
The necessary part came about because the people did not trust the government to always protect those God given rights. Just because God gave man those rights does not mean government can not take them away. Just look at history. The U.S. when founded knew we had to be a constitutional republic in order to survive and keep those rights, which is also why many of us can not stand it when someone calls us a democracy.