FDR: The Anatomy of a Peacemonger.

Started by Blauritter, October 05, 2013, 03:06:06 PM

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Blauritter

One of the President's first actions after the beginning of hostilities was to call Congress into special session and ask for the repeal of the embargo on the sales of arms to belligerent powers, which was part of the existing neutrality legislation. He based his appeal on the argument that this move would help to keep the United States at peace. His words on the subject were:

Let no group assume the exclusive label of the "peace bloc." We all belong to it ... I give you my deep and unalterable conviction, based on years of experience as a worker in the field of international peace, that by the repeal of the embargo the United States will more probably remain at peace than if the law remains as it stands today ... Our acts must be guided by one single, hardheaded thought -- keeping America out of the war.

This statement was made after the President had opened up a secret correspondence with Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty and later Prime Minister in the British government. What has been revealed of this correspondence, even in Churchill's own memoirs, inspires considerable doubt as to whether its main purpose was keeping America out of the war.

Roosevelt kept up his pose as the devoted champion of peace even after the fall of France, when Great Britain was committed to a war which, given the balance of power in manpower and industrial resources, it could not hope to win without the involvement of other great powers, such as the United States and the Soviet Union. The President's pledges of pursuing a policy designed to keep the United States at peace reached a shrill crescendo during the last days of the 1940 campaign.

Mr. Roosevelt said at Boston on October 30: "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

The same thought was expressed in a speech at Brooklyn on November 1: "I am fighting to keep our people out of foreign wars. And I will keep on fighting."

The President told his audience at Rochester, New York, on November 2: "Your national government ... is equally a government of peace -- a government that intends to retain peace for the American people."

On the same day the voters of Buffalo were assured: "Your President says this country is not going to war."

And he declared at Cleveland on November 3: "The first purpose of our foreign policy is to keep our country out of war."


rgf

Your point being that FDR was a politician and told the people what they wanted to hear? Or is it that while doing the realpolitik thing he was also preparing for what he and the majority of his closest advisor's believed that we would be soon at war with either Germany or Japan or both? Politics-get reelected, governing-see the world as it is and prepare for all eventualities.

Blauritter

Quote from: rgf on October 08, 2013, 05:56:06 AM
Your point being that FDR was a politician and told the people what they wanted to hear? Or is it that while doing the realpolitik thing he was also preparing for what he and the majority of his closest advisor's believed that we would be soon at war with either Germany or Japan or both? Politics-get reelected, governing-see the world as it is and prepare for all eventualities.

and that's the way it was , from edward r. murrow reporting from the roof tops of london  jun. 1940..

rgf

I think you should show some respect and capitalize his name or is the shift key on your keyboard broken?

AndyJackson

Good thing you have caps for your screen name.

Murrow was a traitor just like Cronkite.

Do you capitalize God  ?

TboneAgain

Who wrote the text of the original post? It wasn't Blauritter. It's customary to credit such things.
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rgf

Murrow was a traitor just like Cronkite........wow that's pretty harsh. What exactly did they do to justify your vitriol? I bet it was Cronkite participating in the fake moon landing sham.....maybe Morrow reported on the fictitious Holocaust? Maybe it because your just an a--hole, bitter at the world and are so full of stupid thoughts that you no longer can think rationally? Enlighten me.............

Solar

Quote from: rgf on October 14, 2013, 09:45:10 AM
Murrow was a traitor just like Cronkite........wow that's pretty harsh. What exactly did they do to justify your vitriol? I bet it was Cronkite participating in the fake moon landing sham.....maybe Morrow reported on the fictitious Holocaust? Maybe it because your just an a--hole, bitter at the world and are so full of stupid thoughts that you no longer can think rationally? Enlighten me.............
Let me guess, you're in your early 20s?
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rgf

I wish I could remember my early twenties, its just a bunch of confusing images of naked babes, drugs and empty alcohol containers.......................

Solar

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Quote from: rgf on October 14, 2013, 10:16:08 AM
I wish I could remember my early twenties, its just a bunch of confusing images of naked babes, drugs and empty alcohol containers.......................
Explains why you don't know about Cronkite, you were self indulged.
Do a search for how he lied about Nam.
Murrow and his attack on McCarthy, and yes, McCarthy was right!
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rgf

oh that.....believe what you need to believe, just don't confuse it with the truth............

Solar

Quote from: rgf on October 14, 2013, 11:54:13 AM
oh that.....believe what you need to believe, just don't confuse it with the truth............
How about this? Prove it wrong!
I was paying attention to Cronkite when he was outright lying, Murrow has been proven wrong on his claims about McCarthy.
McCarthy was absolutely right, history and the current Marxist in the WH is proof of that.

And yes, Hussein is a Marxist in the image of a Fabian socialist, which is what today's Marxists are.
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Solar

Quote from: TboneAgain on October 14, 2013, 03:50:39 PM
Again, who wrote the original post?
William Henry Chamberlin (1897-1969) was an American historian and journalist. He was Moscow correspondent for the Christian Science Monitor in Moscow, 1922-1934, and Far Eastern Correspondent for the Monitor, 1939-1940. He contributed important reports and articles to leading American newspapers and periodicals, and for a time wrote a regular column for The Wall Street Journal.  Among his books were Soviet Russia (1930), Russia's Iron Age (1934), The Russian Revolution , 1917-1921 (in two volumes; 1935), Japan Over Asia (1939), The European Cockpit (1947), and America's Second Crusade (1950).
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Quote from: Solar on October 14, 2013, 03:56:06 PM
William Henry Chamberlin (1897-1969) was an American historian and journalist. He was Moscow correspondent for the Christian Science Monitor in Moscow, 1922-1934, and Far Eastern Correspondent for the Monitor, 1939-1940. He contributed important reports and articles to leading American newspapers and periodicals, and for a time wrote a regular column for The Wall Street Journal.  Among his books were Soviet Russia (1930), Russia's Iron Age (1934), The Russian Revolution , 1917-1921 (in two volumes; 1935), Japan Over Asia (1939), The European Cockpit (1947), and America's Second Crusade (1950).

Um, OK, fine. I wasn't exactly asking you to do the research, but I appreciate that you did.

My question was directed -- twice -- at Blauritter, the original poster. The OP was not in any way designated as a quote. At the same time, it was obviously not Blauritter's original creation.

It is customary, actually required on this board, to credit your sources. That didn't get done in this case.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. -- Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; IT IS FORCE. -- George Washington