Wait, he's not half Indian?

Yesterday, in an exclusve CNN interview, Lowy described Sayoc as mentally ill — a "sick individual" who is lost and needs help, who "didn't react like a normal individual" and "wasn't working on all cylinders".

Although Sayoc in a tweet had claimed to be a Seminole, Lowy said (0:30 mark):

"Well, he was clearly not Native-American. His father was Filipino and abandoned him as a child and his mother is Italian. And he adopted this claim to being a Seminole because he was trying to create an identity. If you ask me, again my layman's opinion, is that manifested from his lack of a father and his desire for an identity. This was someone lost.... And he found a father in Trump."

A Seminole tribe spokesman says Sayoc has no affiliation with the tribe.

Despite Anderson Cooper's efforts to cut him off, Lowy persisted and said this at the end of the interview (3:12 mark):

"He [Sayoc] never seems sophisticated enough to do something like he's accused of.  And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that there were either others who helped prod or encouraged him to do this, or that the bombs in fact were so crudely made, they never could have worked, because he didn't seem to have the intellectual capacity to plan a conspiracy like this in my opinion."

A longtime friend of Cesar Sayoc is a former CIA officer.

In a social media post in 2016, Sayoc wrote: "I would like to wish my great friend from Academy 9 yrs military school Ricki a happy birthday and lifetime from CIA. Congrats on your invention and many successes my brother."

Sayoc's social media accounts have now been expunged from the net. But early yesterday morning, an enterprising netizen managed to take a screenshot of Sayoc's 2016 post:


Pics and video here, and a whole lot more:
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/family-lawyer-says-cesar-sayoc-does-not-have-the-intellectual-capacity-to-be-package-bomber

Quote from: Ranb on October 27, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
How do you know?  You got a closer look than anyone on this forum?
It is not a matter of falling for the FBI's word.  Director Wray is a recent Trump appointee; what reason do you have to doubt his word?. 
You know for a fact that the FBI would never allow a real bomb to be disarmed and examined; they always destructively dispose of them?
What information do you have that the rest of us don't?

Amazing how people like you automatically revert to supporting whatever story is anti-America or pro-democrat.  100% consistency, you just knee-jerk into every story, every issue, without even caring about the details or content of the story.

You know the angle you're supposed to embrace before you even hear the story.  You just bend the story around your little POV, like Pavlov's dog drooling all over it.

Quote from: Ranb on October 26, 2018, 09:41:18 PM
I don't know, the FBI does not report to me.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/26/18029462/fbi-bombs-clinton-soros-obama-hoax-not-mail-sessionsI'm not the one who brought up clock boy.  What is he to you anyway?
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Oh my heavens  "material that would explode when coming into contact with heat etc etc."   ITS A BATTERY

A "Bomb" is not a BOMB unless it has explosive, incidiary material, until then it is a "Device" usually made up of everyday items which are not illegal but sometimes are prevented from being sent in the mail....like a BATTERY. Do you want us to ban alarm clocks and cell phones? Now the INTENT is clear, coupled with his threats, BUT he cannot be charged with anything other than terroristic threats....perhaps possession of a "dangerous device" IF the experts certify it COULD have triggered an explosive but I doubt any prosecutor would do so...too hard to win such a case.

I specifically mentioned "Clock Boy" because he thought he was being cute when his "science project" turned out to be modeled after the suitcase bombs middle east terrorists are taught to construct. It lacked Explosives or incindiary material therefore was NOT a "bomb." He was arrested but not charged due to his being a Juvenile but school authorities expelled him. Since he was a muslim Barrack Hussain Obamao had to take his part and invited him to the whitehouse to stick his finger in America's collective eye and praise him for his ingenuity. The little bass turd and his Family then fled the country and he joined a madrassa where I'm sure they taught him how to refine the art of bomb making and perhaps give him some real explosives for experimentation.

Quote from: Ranb on October 27, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
How do you know?  You got a closer look than anyone on this forum?
It is not a matter of falling for the FBI's word.  Director Wray is a recent Trump appointee; what reason do you have to doubt his word?. 
You know for a fact that the FBI would never allow a real bomb to be disarmed and examined; they always destructively dispose of them?
What information do you have that the rest of us don't?

"How do I know"...?

I drink beer and know things....!

"You got a closer look than anyone on this forum?"

I have eyes so I look and see and I see a fake ass pipe bombs....!

"It is not a matter of falling for the FBI's word.  Director Wray is a recent Trump appointee; what reason do you have to doubt his word?. 
You know for a fact that the FBI would never allow a real bomb to be disarmed and examined; they always destructively dispose of them?
What information do you have that the rest of us don't?"

I don't give a rats ass who appointed who. FBI director Wray is building a case against this fool what in the world is he suppose to say other then these fake ass bomb could hurt someone. In actual reality.....THERE WERE NO EXPLOVIES....!

To give you and your FBI Wray the benefit of doubt...if this fool throws the fake pipe bombs and hit someone in the skull and knocks them out...hell yeah then the bombs could hurt...BUT HE MAILED THEM......

Have a great day...the next time think to yourself does he really drink beer and know things....

Quote from: AndyJackson on October 28, 2018, 07:06:29 AM
Amazing how people like you automatically revert to supporting whatever story is anti-America or pro-democrat.  100% consistency, you just knee-jerk into every story, every issue, without even caring about the details or content of the story.

I'm merely commenting on what the media and the FBI is reporting on this incident.  The only unAmerican thing in this is the man who allegedly sent out the mail bombs.

QuoteYou know the angle you're supposed to embrace before you even hear the story.  You just bend the story around your little POV, like Pavlov's dog drooling all over it.

I haven't embraced anything.  It seems that some people have already embraced the idea that this was a false flag by a liberal to demonize conservatives.  I would not be one of those people.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on October 28, 2018, 08:11:05 AM
Oh my heavens  "material that would explode when coming into contact with heat etc etc."   ITS A BATTERY

Okay, so what?

QuoteA "Bomb" is not a BOMB unless it has explosive, incidiary material, until then it is a "Device" usually made up of everyday items which are not illegal but sometimes are prevented from being sent in the mail....like a BATTERY.

Surely you understand that a battery can be made to explode and cause a fire?  You're also evading my question as to whether or not you've had a closer look at this device that anyone else.  What details do you know that the rest of us don't that lead you to your conclusions?   

QuoteDo you want us to ban alarm clocks and cell phones?

You're the only one bringing that up.

QuoteNow the INTENT is clear, coupled with his threats, BUT he cannot be charged with anything other than terroristic threats....perhaps possession of a "dangerous device" IF the experts certify it COULD have triggered an explosive but I doubt any prosecutor would do so...too hard to win such a case.

Says you.  What statute would he be charged with then?  Can you give us the exact statutes or just your vague notions of the law?

QuoteI specifically mentioned "Clock Boy" because ....

....you thought you would cloud the issue instead of bringing actual facts to the forum.  You're praising this kid more than I ever did.

Please learn to use the quote function properly so your posts are not just a wall of gibberish.  Thank you.

Quote from: Bronx on October 28, 2018, 08:31:57 AM
I drink beer and know things....!

I don't believe you.

QuoteI have eyes so I look and see and I see a fake ass pipe bombs....!

I suppose we don't really need EOD teams then if you can just look at a lousy photo on the internet and declare that a device is not a bomb?  :)

QuoteI don't give a rats ass ....

That is part of the problem.

CNN is reporting that the bombs may have not been able to explode.  https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/26/politics/pipe-bombs-suspicious-packages-what-we-know/index.html

QuoteBased on an X-ray image of one of the devices, there appeared to be hazardous materials present, Anthony May, a retired ATF explosives investigator, told CNN's Brooke Baldwin. But it also appeared to be missing a crucial component for a functioning explosive device.
"What I'm not seeing is enough means to initiate this device, whether by design, whether by accident. I'm not seeing that," he said. "If I'm going by design, (if) it was designed that way, then the individual's motivation was simply to spread fear, instill fear."

QuoteThe devices sent to Clinton, De Niro, Obama, the CNN offices and Waters' East Coast office are either with the FBI or headed to the agency's lab in Quantico, Virginia. A controlled detonation was conducted on the device sent to Soros, while the one mailed to Waters' West Coast office was rendered safe by a bomb squad.

Contrary to what some people claim, it seems that some devices are rendered harmless so they can be examined.


The devices may or may not have been able to explode and cause injury.  Until I get more information, I'm unwilling to allow prejudice and ignorance cloud my judgement.

Quote from: Ranb on October 28, 2018, 09:02:06 AM
I don't believe you.
I suppose we don't really need EOD teams then if you can just look at a lousy photo on the internet and declare that a device is not a bomb?  :)
That is part of the problem.

Did you miss  my post to you where he claimed they wouldn't hurt anyone?

Report: "Cesar Sayoc Admits the "Pipe Bombs" Wouldn't Hurt Anyone – And He Didn't Want to Hurt Anyone"

Anyone else notice the story the media is avoiding?

Utah Man Indicted For Mailing Simulated Ricin To President Trump And Others




In early October, packages identified as containing possible ricin were intercepted before they arrived at their intended recipients: President Trump, Secretary of Defense James Mattis, Chief of Naval Operation John Richardson, FBI Director Christopher Wray, CIA Director Gina Haspel, and Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson.

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/10/26/utah-man-indicted-mailing-simulated-ricin-president-trump-others/

Quote from: Ranb on October 28, 2018, 08:53:20 AM
Okay, so what?

Surely you understand that a battery can be made to explode and cause a fire?  You're also evading my question as to whether or not you've had a closer look at this device that anyone else.  What details do you know that the rest of us don't that lead you to your conclusions?   
You're the only one bringing that up.
Says you.  What statute would he be charged with then?  Can you give us the exact statutes or just your vague notions of the law?
....you thought you would cloud the issue instead of bringing actual facts to the forum.  You're praising this kid more than I ever did.

Please learn to use the quote function properly so your posts are not just a wall of gibberish.  Thank you.

Lol, you say NUH - UH !!!  To my accurate analysis of your nonsense, and one post later you're back to picking the flyshit out of the pepper, putting up your little wall of text / excuses against anything that could be positive for Trump / GOP / America.

Quote from: Ranb on October 28, 2018, 08:53:20 AM
Okay, so what?

Surely you understand that a battery can be made to explode and cause a fire?  You're also evading my question as to whether or not you've had a closer look at this device that anyone else.  What details do you know that the rest of us don't that lead you to your conclusions?   
You're the only one bringing that up.
Says you.  What statute would he be charged with then?  Can you give us the exact statutes or just your vague notions of the law?
....you thought you would cloud the issue instead of bringing actual facts to the forum.  You're praising this kid more than I ever did.

Please learn to use the quote function properly so your posts are not just a wall of gibberish.  Thank you.

Okay so the FBI fooled you with their "creative writing"....not hard to do

Yes but a battery isn't illegal, you have them around your house Right? It is forbidden to ship them in the mail, BFD.

How have I evaded any question you ask, I am offering my EDUCATED opinion. Such opinion backed by 25 years investigative experience in Law Enforcement in Washington DC, and more than ten years in the private sector with tenure in more than a dozen countries mostly in Asia (Bomb makers central) I have had specific training in bomb recognition, construction, improvised weapons and explosives and practical experience in the field Throughout my career. Which leads into my next response about
"Vague notions of the law"

Read this

https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1427-imparting-or-conveying-false-information-bomb-hoax-18-usc-35

And this

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871

Vague enough for you?

Did you see the penalty for those offenses?, read closely. 5 years. What you think that will get plea bargained down to? And I can almost guarantee you it will get plea bargained even if they charge him with 12 separate instances. Do you understand that This suspect was on Probation for a Bomb threat he made 16 years ago.  I know that doesnt mean anything to you because you are not as smart as you think you are and you have no clue about the CJS system in this country, but what that means is the light sentences offenders get for calling in phony bomb threats. I've seen people get off with light sentences or not even get charged at all for committing violent felonies my entire life.  I have a much more practical vision of the Criminal Justice system in this country and the inadequacies and shortcomings therein than you ever will. My SURMISE about prosecution of this offense is entirely valid

Which brings us to Clock boy, how is the case of little Ahmed Mohammad not a fact? Do you have comprehension problems or are you just being obstinante?  Clock boy  built a hoax bomb, brought it to school, scared the crap out of teachers, students and law enforcement He was not charged due to his being a juvenile and likely the prosecutors were chickenshit scared in dealing with a Muslim family. As we know the Twerp later got invited to the white house by your Boy Obamao who made a "hero" out of him for basically the same thing this nut case did: Building a hoax bomb. How does that cloud the issue of fake bombs?  How is that Praise? you are the one who is spouting gibberish.

Then of course we have the HOAX material sent to various Govt Offiials just last week, how did all you leftists greet that...."oh, it wasn't really deadly material" blah blah blah.

Last we have the instances of Morons like Madonna offering hum jobs and threating to Bomb the white house, deranged celebrities and even elected officials threatening Trump, his Family and various other Adminstration officials and GOP members of Congress. Are any of these people charged AS THEY SHOULD BE And under the same statutes as listed above?...... No.

So if you are going to Champion a double standard of justice in Our COuntry expect to be called out on it.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on October 28, 2018, 08:59:42 PM
How have I evaded any question you ask, I am offering my EDUCATED opinion. Such opinion backed by 25 years investigative experience in Law Enforcement in Washington DC, and more than ten years in the private sector with tenure in more than a dozen countries mostly in Asia (Bomb makers central) I have had specific training in bomb recognition, construction, improvised weapons and explosives and practical experience in the field Throughout my career.

How were you able to determine the composition of the material in the bomb from a photo?

You brought clock boy into the discuss 4 days ago to cloud the issue I think.  I don't really care to discuss the kid.

Quote from: Ranb on October 30, 2018, 10:51:10 AM
How were you able to determine the composition of the material in the bomb from a photo?

You brought clock boy into the discuss 4 days ago to cloud the issue I think.  I don't really care to discuss the kid.

They weren't bombs! If I drew a picture of a gun and held it to your head, could you claim I threatened you with a gun?

But a source briefed on that device and the one sent to CNN told The Post on Wednesday that they couldn't actually have blown up because neither was equipped with a blasting cap or other means of detonating explosive material.

"There was nothing to ignite it," the source said. "There was nothing there."

https://nypost.com/2018/10/24/bomb-sent-to-cnn-came-with-envelope-of-white-powder/