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General Category => Healthy Living => Topic started by: Ranb on October 19, 2018, 09:02:44 PM

Title: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Ranb on October 19, 2018, 09:02:44 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/health/miscarriage-pharmacy-denial-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/health/miscarriage-pharmacy-denial-trnd/index.html)
QuoteShe explained to the pharmacist that she needed the drug, misoprostol, because she'd had a miscarriage (the fetus' heart had stopped beating). Misoprostol, also known by the brand name Cytotec, is often used to treat miscarriages. If it's combined with mifepristone, a drug often called the "abortion pill," it can terminate an early pregnancy.

"He didn't believe me and said that he would still not give me the medication," Peterson said.
She asked to speak to another pharmacist; he said no other pharmacist was there. She asked to speak with a manager; he said there was no manager their to speak with. She asked whether the prescription could be transferred to another pharmacy. He said no. Peterson said she felt bullied.

So does anyone support what this man did?  My sister in-law had a miscarriage; she became ill and went to the doctor who told her that her baby was dead.  A abortion was performed to preserve her health.  What kind of religious values dictate that a woman's health is worth less than a baby's corpse?

Ranb
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Solar on October 19, 2018, 09:40:04 PM
I don't know, according to the article, the store policy was violated and the guy is no longer employed with Meijer.
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Sick Of Silence on October 19, 2018, 10:10:37 PM
Quote from: Solar on October 19, 2018, 09:40:04 PM
I don't know, according to the article, the store policy was violated and the guy is no longer employed with Meijer.

Personally, I believe there was no miscarriage but needs to abort a baby.
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 12:14:05 AM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 19, 2018, 10:10:37 PM
Personally, I believe there was no miscarriage but needs to abort a baby.
What do you know about Rachel Peterson that makes you think she wanted to terminate a live baby?
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 12:53:20 AM
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 12:14:05 AM
What do you know about Rachel Peterson that makes you think she wanted to terminate a live baby?

So you agree that a fetus is a live baby?

But, most abortions are nothing but baby killing because people can't control themselves. The amount of rape and incest is little.
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: walkstall on October 20, 2018, 04:08:03 AM
Quote from: Ranb on October 19, 2018, 09:02:44 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/health/miscarriage-pharmacy-denial-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/health/miscarriage-pharmacy-denial-trnd/index.html)
So does anyone support what this man did?  My sister in-law had a miscarriage; she became ill and went to the doctor who told her that her baby was dead.  A abortion was performed to preserve her health.  What kind of religious values dictate that a woman's health is worth less than a baby's corpse?

Ranb



Hmm...   Why did her doctor not recommend a D&C?  Why did she not go in for a D&C?  Something does not sound right, your only hearing one side of the story. 

My wife had 2 miscarriage. 

A D&C may be performed in a doctor's office, on an outpatient basis, or as part of your stay in a hospital. Procedures may vary depending on your condition and your doctor's practices.
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: ConservativeInCT on October 20, 2018, 08:21:44 AM
Quote from: walkstall on October 20, 2018, 04:08:03 AM


Hmm...   Why did her doctor not recommend a D&C?  Why did she not go in for a D&C?  Something does not sound right, your only hearing one side of the story.

My wife had 2 miscarriage. 

A D&C may be performed in a doctor's office, on an outpatient basis, or as part of your stay in a hospital. Procedures may vary depending on your condition and your doctor's practices.


Perfectly said. One of my good friends and his girlfriend were in a similar situation and D&C was recommended for her as well. Something doesn't seem right about this story.
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Solar on October 20, 2018, 08:47:18 AM
Quote from: ConservativeInCT on October 20, 2018, 08:21:44 AM

Perfectly said. One of my good friends and his girlfriend were in a similar situation and D&C was recommended for her as well. Something doesn't seem right about this story.
Yep, lack of information, and for good reason. The whole story would expose a leftist agenda.
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 09:19:52 AM
Quote from: Ranb on October 19, 2018, 09:02:44 PM
A abortion was performed to preserve her health.  What kind of religious values dictate that a woman's health is worth less than a baby's corpse?

Ranb

What kind of Liberal values dictate an unborn baby's health is worthless?
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: supsalemgr on October 20, 2018, 10:35:13 AM
Quote from: Solar on October 20, 2018, 08:47:18 AM
Yep, lack of information, and for good reason. The whole story would expose a leftist agenda.

I am surprised Avenatti has not shown up to represent the woman.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: walkstall on October 20, 2018, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on October 20, 2018, 10:35:13 AM
I am surprised Avenatti has not shown up to represent the woman.  :lol:

I am surprised Ranb has not started a gofundme site for her. 
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 12:53:20 AM
So you agree that a fetus is a live baby?
Of course they are, what else would they be?

QuoteBut, most abortions are nothing but baby killing because people can't control themselves. The amount of rape and incest is little.
So what?  This woman claims she had a miscarriage.  She had a choice between waiting longer for her body to expel the dead baby, a D&C or abortion medication.
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: walkstall on October 20, 2018, 04:08:03 AM
Hmm...   Why did her doctor not recommend a D&C?  Why did she not go in for a D&C? 
Is A D&C more or less invasive as taking the medication?

QuoteSomething does not sound right, your only hearing one side of the story.
Actually we are hearing part of the other side, that of the pharmacy that refused to supply the medication.  It would be nice to hear from her doctor, but there is that doctor patient privacy thing that most people enjoy.

QuoteA D&C may be performed in a doctor's office, on an outpatient basis, or as part of your stay in a hospital. Procedures may vary depending on your condition and your doctor's practices.
So what do most doctors recommend when it comes to this woman's condition?
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
Quote from: ConservativeInCT on October 20, 2018, 08:21:44 AM
Perfectly said. One of my good friends and his girlfriend were in a similar situation and D&C was recommended for her as well. Something doesn't seem right about this story.
Exactly what doesn't seem right?  You can look up the options comparing a surgical abortion to a medical one with a pill.  Should this woman be only doing it the way you want? 
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 01:21:00 PM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 09:19:52 AM
What kind of Liberal values dictate an unborn baby's health is worthless?
Your quote mining of my post left out the part about how my sister in-law's baby was dead.  Why do your values dictate that a dead baby is worth more than the health of the woman carrying it?
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 01:24:31 PM
Quote from: walkstall on October 20, 2018, 10:42:01 AM
I am surprised Ranb has not started a gofundme site for her.
I take it you didn't read the link?  She got her prescription filed by a pharmacist who wasn't an asshat.
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 03:18:08 PM
The asshats are the ones who view an unborn child as a cluster of cells, and have no remorse when they kill it.

That is the core of this debate. Liberals want 100% abortion, and want others to pay for it.

We don't believe everything about this story. We do believe what the intent of this story is.
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 05:43:30 PM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 03:18:08 PM
The asshats are the ones who view an unborn child as a cluster of cells, and have no remorse when they kill it.
Those who kill a baby are much worse than asshats.  This thread is about a pharmacist who used his religious views to deny medication to a woman who needed it to abort her dead baby.

QuoteThat is the core of this debate. Liberals want 100% abortion, and want others to pay for it.
That is not what I made this thread about.  Instead of de-railing my thread, perhaps you should make your own thread about why a woman who lost her baby should not be allowed to abort the dead fetus using medication.

QuoteWe don't believe everything about this story. We do believe what the intent of this story is.
Why don't you believe what Rachel Peterson says?  What reason did she give you to doubt her?
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 06:04:51 PM
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 05:43:30 PM
Those who kill a baby are much worse than asshats.  This thread is about a pharmacist who used his religious views to deny medication to a woman who needed it to abort her dead baby.
That is not what I made this thread about.  Instead of de-railing my thread, perhaps you should make your own thread about why a woman who lost her baby should not be allowed to abort the dead fetus using medication.
Why don't you believe what Rachel Peterson says?  What reason did she give you to doubt her?

This whole issue is about abortion. This is just another page in the story. It's not the fact that a pharmacist  didn't give her medication that we doubt. It's what truly happened that we question. We are not going to get the truth from Liberal media nor from the person who is posting it on a Conservative forum in order to play a gotcha game with us.
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 06:24:02 PM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 06:04:51 PM
This whole issue is about abortion. This is just another page in the story. It's not the fact that a pharmacist  didn't give her medication that we doubt.
No, the thread is about a pharmacist who is being a bully, as told by one side of the story.  You have decided for some mysterious reason that this woman you've never met can't be trusted to tell the truth.

What media would you trust if they ran the same story?  Is Fox News too liberal for your taste?  https://www.foxnews.com/health/michigan-woman-claims-pharmacist-denied-her-medication-for-miscarriage-because-of-his-religious-beliefs

QuoteIt's what truly happened that we question. We are not going to get the truth from Liberal media nor from the person who is posting it on a Conservative forum in order to play a gotcha game with us.
You act like you know more about this woman and her motives than anyone else.  Where are you getting your information?

I'm not playing a gotcha game at all.  What if your sister or another woman you cared about had a miscarriage and opted for a medical abortion of the dead baby instead of a surgical procedure?  Would you talk her into a D&C instead of using medication?
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 07:08:17 PM
Quote from: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 06:24:02 PM
No, the thread is about a pharmacist who is being a bully, as told by one side of the story.  You have decided for some mysterious reason that this woman you've never met can't be trusted to tell the truth.

What media would you trust if they ran the same story?  Is Fox News too liberal for your taste?  https://www.foxnews.com/health/michigan-woman-claims-pharmacist-denied-her-medication-for-miscarriage-because-of-his-religious-beliefs
You act like you know more about this woman and her motives than anyone else.  Where are you getting your information?

I'm not playing a gotcha game at all.  What if your sister or another woman you cared about had a miscarriage and opted for a medical abortion of the dead baby instead of a surgical procedure?  Would you talk her into a D&C instead of using medication?

I wouldn't deny someone a cake just based on the fact the person is gay (don't have time for that). I know straight people I would deny a cake to (just saying). Now, the ACLU person she's working with. I would deny them anything and everything. I have a distaste and distain for those MF'ers at the ACLU. We seem them deciding that is important to there Liberal cause, and not what is truly important to everybody.

But, you are not listening. In this day and age, we doubt what is presented to us. We don't deny that a pharmacist did not give someone medication. We question what the real truth is. We don't use emotional stories as the basis of argument. Did she have a miscarriage, or is she trying to abort the baby? Did she consult with a doctor or not? I don't claim to have been there. You sure as hell were not there. Media lies. Liberals lie. They don't care about the honest truth. If it was found out that the woman was trying to abort the baby, they wouldn't care about the truth when it comes to this story. The would still think of the pharmacist as a bad guy even though it could be proven that he was in the right. All you Liberals care about is your causes, and have no remorse in who you destroy to get there.
Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 07:31:15 PM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 07:08:17 PM
I wouldn't ...
More de-railing.

QuoteBut, you are not listening.
I think you're not listening.

QuoteDid she have a miscarriage, or is she trying to abort the baby? Did she consult with a doctor or not?
A miscarriage is not a rare situation.  Why would you doubt if any woman said she had a miscarriage? 

QuoteI don't claim to have been there. You sure as hell were not there.
You sure talk like you know more than anyone else.  If a person says something that is reasonable, I don't suggest they're liar unless I have evidence.

QuoteMedia lies. Liberals lie.
But is Rachel Peterson a liar?  You talk like she is.

You're also evading a direct question I asked of you.  If a woman you cared about told you she had a miscarriage, would you try to talk her out of using an abortion pill?  Or would you think she was actually trying to abort her live baby?

Title: Re: Pharmacist refuses medication for abortion of dead fetus.
Post by: ConservativeInCT on October 21, 2018, 08:13:31 AM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on October 20, 2018, 06:04:51 PM
This whole issue is about abortion. This is just another page in the story. It's not the fact that a pharmacist  didn't give her medication that we doubt. It's what truly happened that we question. We are not going to get the truth from Liberal media nor from the person who is posting it on a Conservative forum in order to play a gotcha game with us.

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