http://www.grist.org/article/food-five-tips-for-surviving-a-raid-on-your-farm-or-food-club (http://www.grist.org/article/food-five-tips-for-surviving-a-raid-on-your-farm-or-food-club)
Not only in California but in the midwest also. Never heard of this happening before.... interesting.
Quote from: Elfie on June 02, 2011, 09:59:03 AM
http://www.grist.org/article/food-five-tips-for-surviving-a-raid-on-your-farm-or-food-club (http://www.grist.org/article/food-five-tips-for-surviving-a-raid-on-your-farm-or-food-club)
Not only in California but in the midwest also. Never heard of this happening before.... interesting.
They don't want you even giving it away free.
I had read about this raid in California before. My thought here is that it is my body and if I want to eat something like paste and organic dirt that should be my choice not the governments. Most of these people understand the risk of eating some of these products but the benefits outweigh the risks that may be involved in their opinion.
My God we are adults and I wish Uncle Sam would stop treating us like idiots. 8)
Quote from: Solars Toy on June 02, 2011, 07:05:02 PM
I had read about this raid in California before. My thought here is that it is my body and if I want to eat something like paste and organic dirt that should be my choice not the governments. Most of these people understand the risk of eating some of these products but the benefits outweigh the risks that may be involved in their opinion.
My God we are adults and I wish Uncle Sam would stop treating us like idiots. 8)
We as a society lay down and allow the government to dictate drug policy to us, why shouldn't they expect the same level of servility regarding our food?
The line between food and drug is actually rather vague, there's no reason to expect to be treated like adults with one when we ask to be treated like children with the other.
it is incredible to me,,, I can understand it in a way, but co-ops? and what about the people whom are raised on 100% raw, or have converted to for many years...
Who's to say they wont go after neighborhood gardens now... it's nuts..... ::)
How did man ever make it this far, without the FDA protecting us from our very own ignorance.
First men sitting in a cave:
Grog: What you drink?
Juice from cow.
Grog, you know were all going to die now. ::)
Quote from: GreyRaceGlobalist on June 03, 2011, 08:30:19 AM
We as a society lay down and allow the government to dictate drug policy to us, why shouldn't they expect the same level of servility regarding our food?
The line between food and drug is actually rather vague, there's no reason to expect to be treated like adults with one when we ask to be treated like children with the other.
I try to use as few drugs as possible. I am one of those people who will suffer through a headache or take a non-traditional alternative. The only meds I take on a regular basis is thyroid. I was told I had no alternate for this one. But I try for everything else.... :)
I hold Lady Obama responsible. As part of her commie anti-eating campaign, she had declared war on desserts. Just don't eat dessert says the svelte little Lady. Well, of course raw milk and cream makes excellent ice cream as well as evil, fattening cheeses. This will not stand! This must be stopped! There is nothing more important than indiscriminate eating of fats!
Of course, the real problem for any progressive radical is freedom of choice and self reliance. Folks want to drink milk that tastes like our grandparents' naturally enjoyed it. They survived it; they even thrived! The cheese made from raw milk is delicious. It costs a bit more, so a farmer might actually be able to make a living...and not be eternally indebted to banks and gov't agencies...that won't do, No, no,no.
Lesson: Pointy headed professorial fakers make terrible presidents. Their heads are stuck in books (or even darker places, apparently). They often are quite unfamiliar with reality. Woodrow Wilson, anyone? Obama thinks, gee, aren't we (yes that was the royal "we") enlightened! Grin, grin. Solemn nod, solemn nod. We have saved those little people from themselves yet again. He happily heads off to Never, Never Land, never realizing he is crushing another enterprising American because some report told him how dangerous raw milk can be.
I'd like to quote bugs bunny here..."What a Ma-roon!" :))
Quote from: WashingtonLives on June 03, 2011, 06:59:27 PM
I hold Lady Obama responsible. As part of her commie anti-eating campaign, she had declared war on desserts. Just don't eat dessert says the svelte little Lady. Well, of course raw milk and cream makes excellent ice cream as well as evil, fattening cheeses. This will not stand! This must be stopped! There is nothing more important than indiscriminate eating of fats!
Of course, the real problem for any progressive radical is freedom of choice and self reliance. Folks want to drink milk that tastes like our grandparents' naturally enjoyed it. They survived it; they even thrived! The cheese made from raw milk is delicious. It costs a bit more, so a farmer might actually be able to make a living...and not be eternally indebted to banks and gov't agencies...that won't do, No, no,no.
Lesson: Pointy headed professorial fakers make terrible presidents. Their heads are stuck in books (or even darker places, apparently). They often are quite unfamiliar with reality. Woodrow Wilson, anyone? Obama thinks, gee, aren't we (yes that was the royal "we") enlightened! Grin, grin. Solemn nod, solemn nod. We have saved those little people from themselves yet again. He happily heads off to Never, Never Land, never realizing he is crushing another enterprising American because some report told him how dangerous raw milk can be.
I'd like to quote bugs bunny here..."What a Ma-roon!" :))
Lady wide body is changing the food pyramid to this.
~snip~
First Lady Michelle Obama and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack today unveiled My Plate, the government's new food icon. The new symbol looks like a dinner plate that is divided into four wedges. Two of those wedges are filled with fruits and vegetables, one contains protein and the fourth has whole grains. Beside the plate is a smaller circle -- representing low-fat dairy.
More
http://www.mlive.com/health/index.ssf/2011/06/food_pyramid_replaced_with_foo.html (http://www.mlive.com/health/index.ssf/2011/06/food_pyramid_replaced_with_foo.html)
Quote from: walkstall on June 03, 2011, 07:56:45 PM
Lady wide body is changing the food pyramid to this.
~snip~
First Lady Michelle Obama and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack today unveiled My Plate, the government's new food icon. The new symbol looks like a dinner plate that is divided into four wedges. Two of those wedges are filled with fruits and vegetables, one contains protein and the fourth has whole grains. Beside the plate is a smaller circle -- representing low-fat dairy.
More
http://www.mlive.com/health/index.ssf/2011/06/food_pyramid_replaced_with_foo.html (http://www.mlive.com/health/index.ssf/2011/06/food_pyramid_replaced_with_foo.html)
Instead of a pyramid, she changed it to, of all things, a
Pie chart. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Solar on June 03, 2011, 08:36:47 PM
Instead of a pyramid, she changed it to, of all things, a Pie chart. ;D ;D ;D ;D
From the looks of it wide body and Oprah Winfrey ate the hole thing. ;D
Quote from: walkstall on June 03, 2011, 09:20:03 PM
From the looks of it wide body and Oprah Winfrey ate the hole thing. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Solar on June 03, 2011, 09:33:38 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I see there photos at checkout stands. The brushwork done on those two in photos must have cost a bundle each time. :o
My sister and her husband and children live in Missouri and operate a whole-food dairy. They have been repeated victims of FDA and USDA investigations and last year were "encouraged" by the "federal" government to recall every atom of merchandise they sold from the first of the year through August -- many tens of thousands of dollars worth of mostly cheese that had been distributed through buyer clubs literally all over the US and into some other countries. Over and above the obvious loss of profit, the cost of the recall itself staggered this four-family operation.
After the recall, USDA denied that it had ever even suggested that anything be recalled at all. Their position now is that my sister and her husband and their workers decided on their own to recall eight months' worth of production that had caused not one single complaint or illness.
Our benevolent "federal" government has decided that what we call "whole foods" are bad foods, and dairy products are receiving VERY special treatment. I suspect that it has less to do with any actual health issue, and more to do with the fact that small dairy farms, especially those who sell locally, are supposed to be immune from the interference of federal regulators.
My grandfather was a farmer who had dairy cows for the family's benefit, and he absolutely refused to drink processed milk. Even with a house full of visiting kids and grandkids raised on homogenized, pasteurized, and government-approved stuff, Gramps had his own special jug in the back of the fridge that held his raw cow's milk. Of course, he fell over dead... at age 85.
T, I hate to say it, but it is painfully obvious that big AG has found a way to get the Fed on its side and kill the competition, they want to force these farms out of business so as to enable them to buy up the few remaining farms in America.
The sad thing is, when the economy crashes, there will be very few people left that even know how to milk a cow, let alone grow their own food.
Very few of us will have the ability of self sustenance.
In just one generation, people have become dependent on the gov for their very existence. :(
Quote from: Elfie on June 02, 2011, 09:59:03 AM
http://www.grist.org/article/food-five-tips-for-surviving-a-raid-on-your-farm-or-food-club (http://www.grist.org/article/food-five-tips-for-surviving-a-raid-on-your-farm-or-food-club)
Not only in California but in the midwest also. Never heard of this happening before.... interesting.
Its like we live in Nazi Germany or something
Quote from: Solar on June 04, 2011, 08:50:13 AM
T, I hate to say it, but it is painfully obvious that big AG has found a way to get the Fed on its side and kill the competition, they want to force these farms out of business so as to enable them to buy up the few remaining farms in America.
The sad thing is, when the economy crashes, there will be very few people left that even know how to milk a cow, let alone grow their own food.
Very few of us will have the ability of self sustenance.
In just one generation, people have become dependent on the gov for their very existence. :(
It is becoming more and more frustrating putting up with big brother
when you read or hear about these types of unwanted (and sometimes
unlawful) raids on people just trying to make a living and prosper.
Makes me wonder what will they want, what will they take and how will
I react if it ever happens to me? I hope it never does.
Quote from: WoodBurner on June 06, 2011, 09:26:33 AM
It is becoming more and more frustrating putting up with big brother
when you read or hear about these types of unwanted (and sometimes
unlawful) raids on people just trying to make a living and prosper.
Makes me wonder what will they want, what will they take and how will
I react if it ever happens to me? I hope it never does.
As Reagan said, it only takes one generation to lose our freedoms.
At the current rate, I'd say 25 years or less and the sheep will see it as a consequence of not doing as the Gov demands.
Much in the way we allowed smoking laws, they will easily allow more intrusion into their daily lives.
Quote from: Solar on June 06, 2011, 09:32:54 AM
As Reagan said, it only takes one generation to lose our freedoms.
At the current rate, I'd say 25 years or less and the sheep will see it as a consequence of not doing as the Gov demands.
Much in the way we allowed smoking laws, they will easily allow more intrusion into their daily lives.
I hate to say it but your right. I think you may be a little generous with your time frame though. :(
Quote from: WoodBurner on June 06, 2011, 10:16:09 AM
I hate to say it but your right. I think you may be a little generous with your time frame though. :(
So much depends on the swing of the pendulum, if we are moving back to the right as a Country, then we can fend off an oppressive gov, if not and we move left, then all bets are off.
Quote from: Solar on June 04, 2011, 08:50:13 AM
T, I hate to say it, but it is painfully obvious that big AG has found a way to get the Fed on its side and kill the competition, they want to force these farms out of business so as to enable them to buy up the few remaining farms in America.
The sad thing is, when the economy crashes, there will be very few people left that even know how to milk a cow, let alone grow their own food.
Very few of us will have the ability of self sustenance.
In just one generation, people have become dependent on the gov for their very existence. :(
You know, at first I thought that might be the case -- big ag prodding Uncle Sam to do its bidding. But after looking into it a right smart, I don't think so. I think instead it's just one more case of big government doing what big government just can't stop doing.
I see the same pattern in so many branches of big government. The layers of bureaucracy, the rules written by the system and for the system, the lack of any connection to common sense or real-world circumstances.
Right now where I live, we have a similar situation. Back in 1995, one unknown person complained to our county health department about a bad smell coming from a local ditch. Today, we're having a $6-million sewage treatment plant shoved down our throats by the Ohio EPA because of that one complaint. It will serve about 150 homes. After I pay about $3,000 for a tap, I'll get the privilege of paying a mere $55+ per month for a central sewer I don't even want. I have surveyed the neighbors and can't find a single one who wants it. For some reason, we can't get central water at ANY price -- the ground well water here is horrible -- but we just can't avoid the damn sewer pipes.
Quote from: tbone0106 on June 14, 2011, 07:28:13 PM
You know, at first I thought that might be the case -- big ag prodding Uncle Sam to do its bidding. But after looking into it a right smart, I don't think so. I think instead it's just one more case of big government doing what big government just can't stop doing.
I see the same pattern in so many branches of big government. The layers of bureaucracy, the rules written by the system and for the system, the lack of any connection to common sense or real-world circumstances.
Right now where I live, we have a similar situation. Back in 1995, one unknown person complained to our county health department about a bad smell coming from a local ditch. Today, we're having a $6-million sewage treatment plant shoved down our throats by the Ohio EPA because of that one complaint. It will serve about 150 homes. After I pay about $3,000 for a tap, I'll get the privilege of paying a mere $55+ per month for a central sewer I don't even want. I have surveyed the neighbors and can't find a single one who wants it. For some reason, we can't get central water at ANY price -- the ground well water here is horrible -- but we just can't avoid the damn sewer pipes.
I'm gonna guess here that it was more FED EPA than OH.....IO EPA.
No facts, just guessing for lack of info but its usually the fed that
mandates this type of work. :( >:(
Quote from: WoodBurner on June 14, 2011, 07:47:05 PM
I'm gonna guess here that it was more FED EPA than OH.....IO EPA.
No facts, just guessing for lack of info but its usually the fed that
mandates this type of work. :( >:(
Based on my investigations, I'd say you're more right than wrong. In this case it's the federal EPA serving as a model for the state agency. Many states have their own EPA's that are essentially modeled after the federal original, and they've all learned things from one another along the way. Chief among those things was how to evade the rule of law.
(In a weird way, it makes sense that they should share ways to evade the rule of law, since their very existence is completely outside any authorizing law.)
I haven't yet seen the insidious hand of the USEPA in our local sewer brouhaha, but its model is apparent in the overbearing grasp of the OEPA. I was STUNNED to find that OEPA has written rules for itself that excuse it from even considering the financial/economic impact to the victims of its edicts.
Quote from: tbone0106 on June 14, 2011, 07:28:13 PM
You know, at first I thought that might be the case -- big ag prodding Uncle Sam to do its bidding. But after looking into it a right smart, I don't think so. I think instead it's just one more case of big government doing what big government just can't stop doing.
I see the same pattern in so many branches of big government. The layers of bureaucracy, the rules written by the system and for the system, the lack of any connection to common sense or real-world circumstances.
Right now where I live, we have a similar situation. Back in 1995, one unknown person complained to our county health department about a bad smell coming from a local ditch. Today, we're having a $6-million sewage treatment plant shoved down our throats by the Ohio EPA because of that one complaint. It will serve about 150 homes. After I pay about $3,000 for a tap, I'll get the privilege of paying a mere $55+ per month for a central sewer I don't even want. I have surveyed the neighbors and can't find a single one who wants it. For some reason, we can't get central water at ANY price -- the ground well water here is horrible -- but we just can't avoid the damn sewer pipes.
You're probably correct, in that little entities of your local EPA seem to see themselves as having the power of the Federal Gov behind them, even though they are just an extension of the State powers.
I could see these little so called do gooders easily over stepping their authority, especially when there is no one to oversee them.
Quote from: Solar on June 03, 2011, 08:36:47 PM
Instead of a pyramid, she changed it to, of all things, a Pie chart. ;D ;D ;D ;D
:)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Quote from: Harry on September 16, 2011, 09:00:52 PM
:)) :)) :)) :)) :))
At least someone gets my humor. :))