The Real Economy

Started by Mountainshield, July 19, 2013, 05:56:07 AM

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Mountainshield

http://ecfr.eu/page/-/ECFR79_EUROSCEPTICISM_BRIEF_AW.pdf

I'm reading this document, and they stated in it "one that is more flexible and more symmetrical, less focused on austerity and more focused on investment in the real economy."
So what is the real economy? They don't explain so in this document. Being ECFR I'm sure it is a leftist/socialist economic term relating to keynsian or marxist economics, but having read Keynes and studied political economy (now that was a useless degree) I still don't understand what they mean with "Real". So if there is a "Real" economy what is the "Unreal" economy?

Solar


Could (real) equate to tangible, as in gold or other commodities of worth?

Then I read this and now, like you, I'm at a complete loss.

Quoteespecially among the business
community - wants to move ahead to a real political union
that is more democratic and more social than the current
EU. The election did not show that Italians want less Europe.
Rather, they want a different Europe: one that is more
flexible and more symmetrical, less focused on austerity and
more focused on investment in the real economy

Though I guess it comes down to two things, one, they know the people of Europe have experienced the heavy hand of gig govt and are rejecting it over all, and two, know the inevitable is at hand, the collapse of the EU, and are looking for a path to take business wise when it happens.
So I guess tangible investment isn't out of the realm of possibility, tangible as in real gold, not paper gold as in stocks, bulk fuels, food stuffs that keep for years.
These are all things I have done to hedge against inflation and worse yet, collapse.
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Mountainshield

Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2013, 06:49:36 AM
Could (real) equate to tangible, as in gold or other commodities of worth?

Then I read this and now, like you, I'm at a complete loss.

Though I guess it comes down to two things, one, they know the people of Europe have experienced the heavy hand of gig govt and are rejecting it over all, and two, know the inevitable is at hand, the collapse of the EU, and are looking for a path to take business wise when it happens.
So I guess tangible investment isn't out of the realm of possibility, tangible as in real gold, not paper gold as in stocks, bulk fuels, food stuffs that keep for years.
These are all things I have done to hedge against inflation and worse yet, collapse.

I see, so it might be reference to start getting real capital back. Well that would be a good start, but I just can't see socialist leaders of Europe following such a rational advice even from the ECFR.

Solar

Quote from: Mountainshield on July 19, 2013, 07:29:17 AM
I see, so it might be reference to start getting real capital back. Well that would be a good start, but I just can't see socialist leaders of Europe following such a rational advice even from the ECFR.
If that's the case, it exposes the truth that business in Europe knows what the future holds, a collapsed Europe, and will probably revert back to it's original lines.
And that really isn't such a bad ting, the liberal Utopian dream of a united Europe never considered the drag the non-producers would have on such a system, too many languages, cultures, and political systems to homogenize under one banner.
It was doomed before it began.
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Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2013, 08:35:16 AM
If that's the case, it exposes the truth that business in Europe knows what the future holds, a collapsed Europe, and will probably revert back to it's original lines.
And that really isn't such a bad ting, the liberal Utopian dream of a united Europe never considered the drag the non-producers would have on such a system, too many languages, cultures, and political systems to homogenize under one banner.
It was doomed before it began.

Well the EU common market and Schengen Treaty are great and have helped Europe tremondeously (with exception of the gypsies abusing the system), the problem is that the EU parliament and commission which is run by self proclaimed communist and former communist wants a "Soviet Union of Europe", like you said they want to to unite europe, and that I agree is a plan doomed from the start. Such a plan could only work by oppression and military might like Stalin "unified" the Warsaw countries.

The ECFR has many good documents, and insight into the communist mind. For example this article http://ecfr.eu/page/-/ECFR83_GERMANY_BRIEF_AW.pdf shows how europe could be saved economically by following the german model of cuts in wellfare spending and anti union policies of wage restraint, but being good communist they of course argue against these rational measures.

Their argument is that economic growth is not really true "growth", and that "true growth" can only come from government spending and massive wellfare.

Solar

Quote from: Mountainshield on July 20, 2013, 04:07:32 AM
Well the EU common market and Schengen Treaty are great and have helped Europe tremondeously (with exception of the gypsies abusing the system), the problem is that the EU parliament and commission which is run by self proclaimed communist and former communist wants a "Soviet Union of Europe", like you said they want to to unite europe, and that I agree is a plan doomed from the start. Such a plan could only work by oppression and military might like Stalin "unified" the Warsaw countries.

The ECFR has many good documents, and insight into the communist mind. For example this article http://ecfr.eu/page/-/ECFR83_GERMANY_BRIEF_AW.pdf shows how europe could be saved economically by following the german model of cuts in wellfare spending and anti union policies of wage restraint, but being good communist they of course argue against these rational measures.

Their argument is that economic growth is not really true "growth", and that "true growth" can only come from government spending and massive wellfare.
Amazing, austerity be damned, the Govt promises a pig in every pot, car in every garage, and a job for everyone.
But what the reality creates, is far from the dream they portray.
No fuel to cook the pig, no gas for the car, and as the Russians say, we'll pretend to work, while you pretend to pay us.
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tonywilson

The realy economy consist of the economic system in definitely production,comprising and distributing.

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Quote from: tonywilson on August 01, 2013, 11:35:46 PM
The realy economy consist of the economic system in definitely production,comprising and distributing.

Tony, is English your first language?
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