Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 13, 2016, 12:42:12 PM
Should have but they were after thoughts.  This thread is exactly why people are running to Sanders and Trump.  Just saying.  Its the disregard for the welfare of fellow Americans and the criticism of who they are.  We are all Americans who deserve respect.  And when people who are working get laid off it isn't a opportunity for the more educated or fortunate to gloat.

Where I live there damn good farming jobs around for young people starting out.  They also put themselves through Jr. Collage working summer job on farms.

Now I live 68 miles out of what I call a town. (more then 25/100 people)  I go into town twice a week on Mondays and Fridays shopping.  Every time I go into town I see two or three help wanted signs.  A new Swather starts aroung 200.000$+  you just don't put some fool on it for minimum wage.  That not counting Balers, rakes and tractors. 

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on February 01, 2016, 09:52:00 AM
My opinion. People today have been conditioned to expect reward for very little effort (everyone is special and everyone gets a trophy). They never invested in themselves to develop a skill set so they do not qualify for much. What they do qualify for they consider beneath them. It is a combination of laziness, unrealistic expectations, and ego.

My cousin took a job at a welding shop. He did "grunt work" which consisted mostly of fetching, sweeping, and grinding metal. He stayed extra hours on his own time every day to learn to weld. For the companies part they provided the scrap, supplies, use of equipment, and access to an experienced welder for instruction and guidance. He pulls 6 figures today.

Now let's take your typical unemployed libtard socialist of today with no job skills and no career prospects. If you told them they could take a job in your weld shop doing "grunt work" (their investment) and you would bear the cost of them developing a marketable skill (the employers investment) how many do you think would take you up on it?

These are the same people that "can't find a job". They can't find one because they are not looking for one.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/jobs/categories/

Something else to consider, not all companies post openings in the local paper. My company does not for instance. Though they do post on internet job boards and on their website.

I moved from the north to the mid-atlantic during the telecom boom, a head-hunter contacted me.  They said I had the right skills, certifications, education and experience.  Yea, I had all that, but the other 4 guys were as green as grass - and were pissed they weren't pulling down a big wage.  "I can do everything HE can do!"...  except troubleshoot the one of the 26 pieces of gear I was certified on, not to mention communicate to someone over a telephone what and why they needed "X" to do what they ultimately wanted.  I think they thought their "good looks" was worth more than my graying beard.

When the boom turned into a bust - the "boss" announced the office was closing.  I walked in, thanked him for the opportunity, said I'd be happy to stay till the last light went out... the other guys were cussing and swearing at the people who had hired them for high wages for knowing nothing, and wasting company time playing cards & surfing the web, instead of taking the opportunity to LEARN something.

The boss said, "You're not going anywhere - if you left, we'd have nobody left who knows how this stuff runs, we're just closing the OFFICE, you gotta stay!  Make your office space where ever you want, we need you."  That was 14 years ago, I'm the only one left from that original group.  When someone comes along who really wants to learn how to troubleshoot, or one of these kid geniuses gets stuck troubleshooting - old or new gear.. I'm still here, 'cause I took the time back in the beginning to learn and understand.  Anyone can learn what I know, they just need to be willing to.

If people leave a Walmart job and haven't learned any skill - I'd wonder if they expect to make Wally World a life-long career...  Good time to start a business, while collecting unemployment.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 13, 2016, 12:38:02 PM
Here's the classified ads for Tulsa.  I found work from home scams and a sales associate that requires a degree.

https://www.classifiedads.com/tulsa-retail_jobs-2.html

I was out of work in 1991 because my mother got sick and I had to take care of her. (Fortunately, her house was paid for and I had some savings). After she recovered and I finally found something better than McDonalds, I continued to check out job openings for the hell of it. Some restaurant needed a dishwasher -- experience required. Sometimes it just ain't that easy.

Out of work? When it comes down to keeping your home or your car, keep the car.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/11/unemployment-problem-public-transportation_n_1660344.html

I grew up in Chattanooga and I can vouch for truthfulness of this article. There is now rush-hour bus service to the old ammunition plant where VW and Amazon have located. That will help the willing.

[No problem with the link, I hope]

Quote from: Hoofer on February 13, 2016, 02:52:33 PMI moved from the north to the mid-atlantic during the telecom boom, a head-hunter contacted me.  They said I had the right skills, certifications, education and experience.

Transport or IP? Just curious. 

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 13, 2016, 12:20:07 PMSorry, and with utmost respect this is wrong.  You are criticizing people that worked.  I know that Walmart is a huge employer in my state.  They pay health benefits.  They are a job.  Those people did go out and find a job.  And I think they make close to what I make.  They have benefits paid by company.  It was a good job in todays market.  And unless they are single working mothers I doubt they collect any additional social benefits.  Only illegals who work under the table get those.

In my state Walmart retail stores limit hours to keep people from qualifying for "full time" benefits.

I find your claims to be suspect at best.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 13, 2016, 12:38:02 PMHere's the classified ads for Tulsa.  I found work from home scams and a sales associate that requires a degree.

https://www.classifiedads.com/tulsa-retail_jobs-2.html

You having fun trolling? Because that is exactly what your doing. You narrow your search pattern to retail jobs and come on here trying to make a point.

You are like one of those poll takers for some liberal rag trying to push an agenda by manipulating data to say what you want it to say and hoping people will accept it as truth without questioning it.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 13, 2016, 12:42:12 PMThis thread is exactly why people are running to Sanders and Trump.  Just saying.

Yeah...... that's the reason

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 13, 2016, 12:42:12 PMIts the disregard for the welfare of fellow Americans and the criticism of who they are.  We are all Americans who deserve respect.

I should respect someone that made a decision to make a career (not a job or stepping stone) out of a minimum wage job with low hours and no benefits being subsidized by tax payer money who showed no initiative to be self sustaining?

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 13, 2016, 12:42:12 PMAnd when people who are working get laid off it isn't a opportunity for the more educated or fortunate to gloat.

Here in Tulsa they got laid off from a minimum wage job with limited hours and no benefits. Hardly a great loss.

Quote from: Wyatt5 on February 14, 2016, 07:54:56 AM
Out of work? When it comes down to keeping your home or your car, keep the car.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/11/unemployment-problem-public-transportation_n_1660344.html

I grew up in Chattanooga and I can vouch for truthfulness of this article. There is now rush-hour bus service to the old ammunition plant where VW and Amazon have located. That will help the willing.

[No problem with the link, I hope]

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but the company is 26 miles away and over the Georgia state line

For years I enjoy riding my bike to and from work in the summer.  It was 24.6 ride one way.  Could be why I have lived so long.   

Quote from: walkstall on February 13, 2016, 01:36:45 PM
Where I live there damn good farming jobs around for young people starting out.  They also put themselves through Jr. Collage working summer job on farms.

Now I live 68 miles out of what I call a town. (more then 25/100 people)  I go into town twice a week on Mondays and Fridays shopping.  Every time I go into town I see two or three help wanted signs.  A new Swather starts aroung 200.000$+  you just don't put some fool on it for minimum wage.  That not counting Balers, rakes and tractors.

Are the young people trained in what they need to do or do they already have to have experience?

I've never seen a dollar amount written this way.   Does 200.000$+   mean $200,000.00 or does it mean $200.00?

I'm going to be honest with you my friend.   I have reflected upon myself and I am afraid I will screw something up or I will be considered going to slow.   Yes, I will admit I do have major fears.   I'm used to living in the city and let's say I move to the country.  I wouldn't know how to carry myself there. 

Another thing, I have this tendency to drift off in my own head sometimes.   I remember that I was trying to fill in some holes on the wall.  It was for a closet I had to do for someone.  I had to put up some shelves.     I had to get some sheet rock or putty (I don't remember what it was called).  It was my first time doing it and I ended putting on to much putty on and it dried.  I ended up having to sand some of it off.  When I was sanding, I ended up drifting off and ended up sanding to much.  What are some techniques that I could've done to do this better (putting the putty on)  and avoid the zone outs and spacing out?   How does one make sure one sands to a level that is equal to the rest of the wall without sanding to little or to much?

Quote from: cubedemon on February 14, 2016, 10:48:08 AM
Are the young people trained in what they need to do or do they already have to have experience?

I've never seen a dollar amount written this way.   Does 200.000$+   mean $200,000.00 or does it mean $200.00?

I'm going to be honest with you my friend.   I have reflected upon myself and I am afraid I will screw something up or I will be considered going to slow.   Yes, I will admit I do have major fears.   I'm used to living in the city and let's say I move to the country.  I wouldn't know how to carry myself there. 

So what? Who gives a damn? If you get fired, big deal, you get another job and chalk it up to growth and experience.
Move on, that's life, don't dwell on failures, because in truth, that's all life is, a series of failures till you get it right, then move onto new challenges and more failures.

QuoteAnother thing, I have this tendency to drift off in my own head sometimes.   I remember that I was trying to fill in some holes on the wall.  It was for a closet I had to do for someone.  I had to put up some shelves.     I had to get some sheet rock or putty (I don't remember what it was called).  It was my first time doing it and I ended putting on to much putty on and it dried.  I ended up having to sand some of it off.  When I was sanding, I ended up drifting off and ended up sanding to much.  What are some techniques that I could've done to do this better (putting the putty on)  and avoid the zone outs and spacing out?   How does one make sure one sands to a level that is equal to the rest of the wall without sanding to little or to much?

If it's beyond your skill set and you know it, don't do it.

Quote from: cubedemon on February 14, 2016, 10:48:08 AM
Are the young people trained in what they need to do or do they already have to have experience?

I've never seen a dollar amount written this way.   Does 200.000$+   mean $200,000.00 or does it mean $200.00?

I'm going to be honest with you my friend.   I have reflected upon myself and I am afraid I will screw something up or I will be considered going to slow.   Yes, I will admit I do have major fears.   I'm used to living in the city and let's say I move to the country.  I wouldn't know how to carry myself there. 

Another thing, I have this tendency to drift off in my own head sometimes.   I remember that I was trying to fill in some holes on the wall.  It was for a closet I had to do for someone.  I had to put up some shelves.     I had to get some sheet rock or putty (I don't remember what it was called).  It was my first time doing it and I ended putting on to much putty on and it dried.  I ended up having to sand some of it off.  When I was sanding, I ended up drifting off and ended up sanding to much.  What are some techniques that I could've done to do this better (putting the putty on)  and avoid the zone outs and spacing out?   How does one make sure one sands to a level that is equal to the rest of the wall without sanding to little or to much?

Don't know did not ask, but you don't know unless you ask.  You can always ask some one to train you at a lower pay for a week or two.  They cannot do anymore then say no, all you have lost is time if they say no.  (but the important thing is you ask)


We all learn by our mistakes.   Some are just bigger the other  :lol:don't let that stop you.


We all zone out at times, it part of life and more so at old age  . 

Quote from: walkstall on February 14, 2016, 11:21:12 AM

Don't know did not ask, but you don't know unless you ask.  You can always ask some one to train you at a lower pay for a week or two.  They cannot do anymore then say no, all you have lost is time if they say no.  (but the important thing is you ask)


We all learn by our mistakes.   Some are just bigger the other  :lol:don't let that stop you.


We all zone out at times, it part of life and more so at old age  . 

Yep, age does that to the mind, where zoning out an..., ooooh that suns bright, see the bunny? as I was saying, about Gone With The Wind, when Bogart and ....damn I hate wind chimes, every time the damn breez...love that commercial with the horses doin...., but I digress.
Now what the hell were we talking about?

Oh yeah, the sun....

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on February 14, 2016, 08:06:34 AM
Transport or IP? Just curious. 

Trained in both, but saw Transport as the long term.  Maybe 10 years ago, IP started gaining over SONET, then it was all merged together, now, just a handful of SONET rings still running, everyone has gone to IP, DWDM waves (rapidly changing, again).

Sometimes people don't realize the differences and keep thinking / troubleshooting one way.  For instance, SONET is TDM, static, dual path, path switched by the end terminals with dumb transport in the middle.  IP is always point-to-point Linear, but with intelligence at each switched point, very dynamic - so each link needs to be examined individually during a outage / trouble, including regen / amps.  In the SONET days, a single fiber cut was no big deal, a 6ms path switch.  Today it's scramble to find another path that's not gonna get overloaded, rebuild circuits, etc.

This kinda work isn't for everyone, we work in the worst conditions, terrible hours - and divorce & other stress related problems are high.  Having the right wife helps.  I absolutely LOVE the work, but there are FEW that understand it beyond the "water hose" example... you hook up, someone turns on the spigot, you got Internet.  DWDM, OCGs, is as foreign to people as how a T1 works using TDM ("D" channel, "B" channel... what's that?  All I see is wires?)

Once you got the basics down, the rest comes easily.  Problem is:  Kids don't want to take the time and learn the foundational stuff, so they can't troubleshoot effectively.  The jobs are there, and our company does train right-off-the-street, the right persons.

Quote from: cubedemon on February 14, 2016, 10:48:08 AM
Are the young people trained in what they need to do or do they already have to have experience?

I've never seen a dollar amount written this way.   Does 200.000$+   mean $200,000.00 or does it mean $200.00?

I'm going to be honest with you my friend.   I have reflected upon myself and I am afraid I will screw something up or I will be considered going to slow.   Yes, I will admit I do have major fears.   I'm used to living in the city and let's say I move to the country.  I wouldn't know how to carry myself there. 

Another thing, I have this tendency to drift off in my own head sometimes.   I remember that I was trying to fill in some holes on the wall.  It was for a closet I had to do for someone.  I had to put up some shelves.     I had to get some sheet rock or putty (I don't remember what it was called).  It was my first time doing it and I ended putting on to much putty on and it dried.  I ended up having to sand some of it off.  When I was sanding, I ended up drifting off and ended up sanding to much.  What are some techniques that I could've done to do this better (putting the putty on)  and avoid the zone outs and spacing out?   How does one make sure one sands to a level that is equal to the rest of the wall without sanding to little or to much?

...and they called me a day-dreamer all through grade school.  In third grade, the teacher said I just look out the window all day, so she moved me across the room.  LOL

The kind of work I do now, requires us to check, recheck, confirm with another source, check again - before we touch anything.   We all make mistakes - but have procedures / systems in place to prevent them from happening.

Personally speaking, money hasn't ever made me "happy".  Being content, enjoying my family & job is enough.  My legacy is in my children.  Jobs come and go, and my "job" does not define me.

Move to the country, start small with inexpensive stuff, chickens, ducks, turkeys... talk to the neighbors, (farmers love to talk), and learn, build fences, graduate to larger more expensive stuff, goats, beeves, tractors, implements, etc..   Just keep in mind, the WEATHER is a crap shoot - unpredictable, and can ruin alot of work.

Quote from: walkstall on February 14, 2016, 09:04:35 AM
For years I enjoy riding my bike to and from work in the summer.  It was 24.6 ride one way.  Could be why I have lived so long.   

Walkstall, you're a genius.  You made exercising as part of your requirement to work.   Because in order to work and bring in money you had to get to work.   So, you biked to work.   It became a part of your whole natural day to day life and became second and first nature to you.  Since exercise became first and second nature like going to the bathroom or restroom you didn't have to think about it. 

This got me thinking.  Did mankind for 1000s upon 1000s of years have to have gyms and exercise programs.  No, they didn't because physical work including walking was a part of their daily grind.  Even children worked and when they played they still did physical activity.   

I think if our culture is to fix all of the weight and obesity related issues I think our very culture has to change to adapt more of your way of doing things and make getting exercise as 1st and 2nd nature instead of gyms and consciously working out like we do today.    It needs to become more a part of the unconscious mind instead of the conscious mind.

I bet those in the country are more physically fit then those in the urban and and suburban areas.