from Trump bump to Trump dump? Not so fast

QuoteShawn Langlois Jan 24, 2017 12:21 p.m. ET

The postelection market push delivered a welcomed surprise to those fearing the worst-case scenario with a Donald Trump win. Now, many of those same investors are looking for the Trump bump to shift to Trump dump.

They just may be surprised again...


...relish the market rise that we've had thus far, and know that Monday [promises] to be the start of what can be many more wonderful years," Mehta wrote. "Despite the country's partisan extremes, it pays to always bet on America."

While the article was rancid w/ bias and errors, it is what many traders are saying.  Talk is easy, this  is what's happening today:

•     We're coming off yesterday's broad gains in higher volume w/ small caps leading.
  
•     This morning's stock index futures traders see a jump today (re Futures Market Map ) even while most commodities fall.
  
•     This morning we'll be getting the MBA Mortgage Applications Index, Housing Price Index, and Crude Inventories.
  

Need to provide links.

I find it interesting that people actually thought the Mkt would drop when Trump got elected or is this guy just a complete moron thinking his audience is dumber than he is?
My point being, we just went through 8 years of failed Marxist policy, a Fed that artificially propped up a Mkt since TARP, that should have failed and corrected itself on its own.
But investors stayed in safe havens waiting for the chance to move money around. Well, that time has come.

What happens from here on out is anyone's guess, but I'd imagine Trump will do the safe thing instead of letting the free Mkt do what it does best.

Quote from: Solar on January 25, 2017, 05:56:37 AM...I'd imagine Trump will do the safe thing instead of letting the free Mkt do what it does best.

What, you're saying Trump's going to protect us from freedom and that's good?

Quote from: expat_panama on January 25, 2017, 07:34:46 AM
What, you're saying Trump's going to protect us from freedom and that's good?

I don't see that in Solar post. 

Quoteinstead of letting the free Mkt do what it does best.

Quote from: expat_panama on January 25, 2017, 07:34:46 AM
What, you're saying Trump's going to protect us from freedom and that's good?

How did you come to that conclusion?

The point wasn't Trump, rather the illusion of a free mkt over the last 8 years.
Anyone that follows market trends would know, that anything "Green Energy" related, is now the worst investment possible, but under an mkt propped up by a govt with an agenda, where they pick winners and losers, as well as pushing a leftist agenda, you invested falsely with govt picks. That's not to say some didn't fare well on returns, just that it was a false mkt.

I don't see Trump so much picking winners and losers, rather letting the chips fall where they may. Let the investors pick the best bets, that's how the mkt is supposed to work, and why the economy never recovered over the last decade and remained in the worst depression in US history.

Does that clear things up?

I'm still not seeing a link to your article...

I'm not well versed in the Stock Market but I've been left with the impression that the Stock Market at present is over valued. That the Federal Reserve's Quantitative Easing has pushed ready cash to the banks who put it in the stock market. The current valuations are not based on earning as usual. That brings into question how much credit should be given to Trump for the market going over $20,000.00.

Quote from: Possumpoint on January 25, 2017, 12:16:35 PM
I'm not well versed in the Stock Market but I've been left with the impression that the Stock Market at present is over valued. That the Federal Reserve's Quantitative Easing has pushed ready cash to the banks who put it in the stock market. The current valuations are not based on earning as usual. That brings into question how much credit should be given to Trump for the market going over $20,000.00.

Bingo!!! QE Infinity has destroyed the mkt, which has become a false mkt.
It's why I say the only thing that can truly save the mkt is for Govt to get the Hell out of it and let the chips fall where they may.

Quote from: expat_panama on January 25, 2017, 02:54:04 AM
from Trump bump to Trump dump? Not so fastWhile the article was rancid w/ bias and errors, it is what many traders are saying.  Talk is easy, this  is what's happening today:

•     We're coming off yesterday's broad gains in higher volume w/ small caps leading.
  
•     This morning's stock index futures traders see a jump today (re Futures Market Map ) even while most commodities fall.
  
•     This morning we'll be getting the MBA Mortgage Applications Index, Housing Price Index, and Crude Inventories.
  

What article?
I never did get that link.

What you've asked in words several times is for a link to the article, but given the fact that it would've been a lot easier for you to just google "Trump bump to Trump dump? Not so fast" it just looks like what we got here some kind of 'question behind the question'.

My wife is a great 'people person' and she figures out this stuff soo much better than I do (I just make money) but if I didn't know better I'd be getting the idea that some how I've got myself into like maybe some kind of territory dispute.  That's not my forte and I know when I'm outclased.  I'll back off and just stick to making money.

Cheers.

Quote from: expat_panama on January 27, 2017, 07:59:20 AM
What you've asked in words several times is for a link to the article, but given the fact that it would've been a lot easier for you to just google "Trump bump to Trump dump? Not so fast" it just looks like what we got here some kind of 'question behind the question'.

My wife is a great 'people person' and she figures out this stuff soo much better than I do (I just make money) but if I didn't know better I'd be getting the idea that some how I've got myself into like maybe some kind of territory dispute.  That's not my forte and I know when I'm outclased.  I'll back off and just stick to making money.

Cheers.

No, you mentioned an article, and based a thread on it, and provided no link.
It is not incumbent upon the readership to individually search out an article to decipher what your actual point is, that's basic common courtesy and etiquette, as well as a common rule on every forum in existence.

It may seem to you, that because we have a handful of people posting in Finance, that there isn't much interest in Finance, nothing could be further from reality.
We have a huge following and if there is a good article in finance, people come to see what the commotion is about, but when the OP doesn't care enough to supply facts to back up their argument, has an effect on the entire forum.

Essentially what you did, was waste yours and my time by responding and insulting my intelligence because you're too lazy to support your claim, whatever it is.
You're welcome...

Quote from: expat_panama on January 27, 2017, 07:59:20 AM
What you've asked in words several times is for a link to the article, but given the fact that it would've been a lot easier for you to just google "Trump bump to Trump dump? Not so fast" it just looks like what we got here some kind of 'question behind the question'.

My wife is a great 'people person' and she figures out this stuff soo much better than I do (I just make money) but if I didn't know better I'd be getting the idea that some how I've got myself into like maybe some kind of territory dispute.  That's not my forte and I know when I'm outclased.  I'll back off and just stick to making money.

Cheers.

So what you're saying, it's up to us to do your home work.  It doesn't work that way on an adult board.  You're not the first and you will not be the last that will be asked for a link.

Trump will likely do the right thing... The only problem is trying to get things done within our system...

https://www.regalassets.com/investors-begin-to-exit-trump-trade-as-usual-washington-gridlock-stalls-economic-agenda/?id=2365][url]https://www.regalassets.com/investors-begin-to-exit-trump-trade-as-usual-washington-gridlock-stalls-economic-agenda/?id=2365[/url]

"President Trump's economic agenda beginning to meet the reality of the same old Washington gridlock that has stymied other ambitious U.S. Presidents in the past. Even as his trade and immigration executive orders and policies took center stage, his infrastructure, tax cuts, Obamacare repeal, and NAFTA renegotiations which were the centerpiece of his election campaign ran into varying degrees of headwinds within..."

Quote from: peter4paul16 on February 20, 2017, 08:04:03 AM
Trump will likely do the right thing... The only problem is trying to get things done within our system...

[url]https://www.regalassets.com/investors-begin-to-exit-trump-trade-as-usual-washington-gridlock-stalls-economic-agenda/?id=2365]https://www.regalassets.com/investors-begin-to-exit-trump-trade-as-usual-washington-gridlock-stalls-economic-agenda/?id=2365][url]https://www.regalassets.com/investors-begin-to-exit-trump-trade-as-usual-washington-gridlock-stalls-economic-agenda/?id=2365[/url]

"President Trump's economic agenda beginning to meet the reality of the same old Washington gridlock that has stymied other ambitious U.S. Presidents in the past. Even as his trade and immigration executive orders and policies took center stage, his infrastructure, tax cuts, Obamacare repeal, and NAFTA renegotiations which were the centerpiece of his election campaign ran into varying degrees of headwinds within..."

Welcome P4P, good to have you aboard.
You're right, Trump is being met with heavy resistance, and most from within his own party.
Keep a list of the obstacle RINO so we can help clear the drain.

Quote from: Solar on February 20, 2017, 08:51:42 AM
Welcome P4P, good to have you aboard.
You're right, Trump is being met with heavy resistance, and most from within his own party.
Keep a list of the obstacle RINO so we can help clear the drain.

Trump said in his speech on Saturday there would be a healthcare bill in a couple of months. Based on what I am hearing from members of congress I do not see any consensus on a bill.

Quote from: supsalemgr on February 20, 2017, 09:08:20 AM
Trump said in his speech on Saturday there would be a healthcare bill in a couple of months. Based on what I am hearing from members of congress I do not see any consensus on a bill.

Yep, and we know why. No one wants a damned HC bill, we just want govt out of the way.