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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2015, 11:50:53 AM »
Sorry, but unless you're talking about nuclear, renewable will never supply more than 30% of our needs.

I don't think nuclear is considered 'renewable' in any case. As far as the true 'renewables,' including even biomass, 30% is, I think, a mighty optimistic estimate. Right now, solar and wind generation supply a tiny percentage of our electrical needs, and that's just a portion of our overall energy needs. Ethanol, the most visible biomass fuel, costs more energy to produce than it yields, and is considerably more expensive than the fossil-based fuel it's intended to replace.

Probably the worst drawback to classic renewables is the fact that they're not dependable -- they don't produce energy all the time, or even most of the time. When the wind doesn't blow, and when the sun doesn't shine.... In the case of hydro, the lack of rain is a plague (not enough flow), as is, in many cases, too much rain (not enough head).

Cave dwellers depended on the weather for energy. Civilization has been a direct result of humanity turning away from that dependency. Turning back to it will put us back in caves.
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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2015, 12:54:35 PM »
I don't think nuclear is considered 'renewable' in any case. As far as the true 'renewables,' including even biomass, 30% is, I think, a mighty optimistic estimate. Right now, solar and wind generation supply a tiny percentage of our electrical needs, and that's just a portion of our overall energy needs. Ethanol, the most visible biomass fuel, costs more energy to produce than it yields, and is considerably more expensive than the fossil-based fuel it's intended to replace.

Probably the worst drawback to classic renewables is the fact that they're not dependable -- they don't produce energy all the time, or even most of the time. When the wind doesn't blow, and when the sun doesn't shine.... In the case of hydro, the lack of rain is a plague (not enough flow), as is, in many cases, too much rain (not enough head).

Cave dwellers depended on the weather for energy. Civilization has been a direct result of humanity turning away from that dependency. Turning back to it will put us back in caves.
I didn't see a need to expand on the issue, when someone as brainwashed as this kid obviously is, that nothing short of serious education is going to open his eyes. In short, he's been indoctrinated by Marxists.

But to expatiate on what I meant by this, is that the left wants to figure out a way to incorporate "nuclear" as a renewable, just as they have usurped hydro into the mix to bolster their numbers, despite the fact they've blocked any new dams from being built..

They'd rather kill off millions of migrating birds with ground based Cuisinarts than to fill a dry gorge with water "slowly", giving the critters in the area a chance to vacate, killing nothing, and leaving behind a much needed source of fresh drinking water as well as a new habitat for a myriad of specie.

The 30% number comes from the idea if the govt were to mandate we all go solar, wind, and biomass, the best they could hope to accomplish would be 30% of our needed usage.
I don't care what these Utopian idiots want, there just isn't any way to replace oil.

Oh, and biomass pollutes just as much as oil derivatives, so that's another bull shit claim by the leftists.
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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2015, 04:05:21 PM »
The beginning of the end.  Renewable energy is the future.  Let's see what they do without their oil money.

ONLY for people that's willing to live off the grid.  For city people they would be in very deep dodo in no time at all. 
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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2015, 04:54:11 PM »
ONLY for people that's willing to live off the grid.  For city people they would be in very deep dodo in no time at all.
Living off grid ain't for city kids, that''s for sure.
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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2015, 04:56:27 PM »
Living off grid ain't for city kids, that''s for sure.

Well living with out oil will scare the hell out of them.   :lol:
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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2015, 05:13:15 PM »
Well living with out oil will scare the hell out of them.   :lol:
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Idiot libs have no clue they are doing the work for the Marxists, they actually think if the US cut it's use of oil, while the rest of the world increases it's consumption.
That we would somehow magically keep industry flowing, that electricity will still be "relatively" cheap, and that they can still afford cheap food in abundance.

Kill oil, and force the US to go Green, and they'll be wondering what happened, and why the entire nation went on welfare.
Exactly what the Marxist ordered.
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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2015, 08:03:08 PM »
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Idiot libs have no clue they are doing the work for the Marxists, they actually think if the US cut it's use of oil, while the rest of the world increases it's consumption.
That we would somehow magically keep industry flowing, that electricity will still be "relatively" cheap, and that they can still afford cheap food in abundance.

Kill oil, and force the US to go Green, and they'll be wondering what happened, and why the entire nation went on welfare.
Exactly what the Marxist ordered.


And they think Brown outs or rolling Brown outs are bad.   They will come unglued when they have blackouts.     :lol:  No oil = no gas = no generator output.  Propane and propane generators will go sky high.  But then Propane is not a renewable energy. 
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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2015, 12:00:03 AM »
Would suck to be a petro-socialist oil state, too bad Norway is a capitalist modern economy  :laugh: We ain't even feel'in it here, except for the oil workers though, many have lost their jobs the last year. And many who have taken oil sector job education are now without employment. But this is a good thing overall.

For example an oil sector cleaning job pays more $130,000 a year thanks to the national union organization, three years ago the national union threatened to shut down the entire oil industry if every oil rig worker didn't get their own bed as it is very uncomfortable to have rotating bed system between shifts. The industry was imploding under ridiculous high oil prices, and the rest of the country suffers for it from increased food prices, energy prices and inflation.

If the price of oil gets down to $10 a barrel it will be the best development to happen for Norway, and ironically it will save the oil sector from itself. Of course it will be very bad for the socialists, since they can't bribe themselves votes at the same level anymore.

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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2015, 12:25:11 AM »
Would suck to be a petro-socialist oil state, too bad Norway is a capitalist modern economy  :laugh: We ain't even feel'in it here, except for the oil workers though, many have lost their jobs the last year. And many who have taken oil sector job education are now without employment. But this is a good thing overall.

For example an oil sector cleaning job pays more $130,000 a year thanks to the national union organization, three years ago the national union threatened to shut down the entire oil industry if every oil rig worker didn't get their own bed as it is very uncomfortable to have rotating bed system between shifts. The industry was imploding under ridiculous high oil prices, and the rest of the country suffers for it from increased food prices, energy prices and inflation.

If the price of oil gets down to $10 a barrel it will be the best development to happen for Norway, and ironically it will save the oil sector from itself. Of course it will be very bad for the socialists, since they can't bribe themselves votes at the same level anymore.

Seems to me that if oil were to drop that low (it won't) it would be nothing but bad for you. The union-supported wages and benefits won't go away just because the bottom falls out of the market that supported them in the first place.
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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2015, 06:33:40 AM »
Seems to me that if oil were to drop that low (it won't) it would be nothing but bad for you. The union-supported wages and benefits won't go away just because the bottom falls out of the market that supported them in the first place.
No work, no employees, no employees, no Union?
No Union means they have no leverage, but unlike here, I doubt they'll ever bust the Union.
But one can dream, can't he? :biggrin:
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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2019, 07:16:44 AM »
I think that you are under an illusion that any member or members of the two major parties in this country has the political will and wherewithal to achieve meaningful change in the financial future of this country. I don't care if they are conservatives or members of the tea party or what. Once Nixon took us off the gold standard the fate of this country's economy was sealed. No major economy has ever survived that action.

Once politicians and/or central banks are allowed to print fiat money the die is cast. We'll be okay till investors start to feel we can't pay our debts. Once that happens and it is just starting, inflation will rise its ugly head. Our national debt cannot survive with interest rate increases. We already borrow to pay the bills. Borrowing to pay the interests is financial death.

We are past the point where meaningful action by this country's leaders will have any significance.  Actions needed to correct the situation would be so drastic that they are politically unacceptable and would be blocked by the voters. There is no will to eliminate the Federal Reserve or return to the gold standard. Rising taxes, eliminating fat and fluff, dropping SS, Medicare and welfare dependents would not pass Congress. We'll ride this runaway train till it jumps the track. Protect yourself as best as you can.
I think my prophetic post above says it all, don't you?

Yes and no. Energy is what economies run on, the life blood of all manufacturing, but if there is no Mkt demand for products, there is no drive for production, so the price of oil will continue to fall.

I do not expect to see a global recovery until after 2016, when the world will breathe a sigh of relief that adults are once again in charge of the American economy..
The only reason we're in a global recession/depression, is all due to crony capitalists and the Marxist in the WH.

We are still setting up for the perfect storm for Conservatism's return to dominance.
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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2019, 09:26:19 AM »
Why is gas gone up to over $3 a gallon!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2019, 10:47:51 AM »
Why is gas gone up to over $3 a gallon!!!!!!!!!!

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Winter to summer blend for the most part, unless you live in Ca, where we now pay 50 cents tax on every gallon.
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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2019, 01:50:33 PM »
Winter to summer blend for the most part, unless you live in Ca, where we now pay 50 cents tax on every gallon.

I apologise for perhaps not paying attention, and perhaps hijacking the topic.

But would not YOUR California be far better of seceding ?

(I live in tiny Massachusetts, where every municipality is infested, and we never think of such things.)

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Re: Oil at $10 a barrel?
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2019, 07:58:17 PM »
I apologise for perhaps not paying attention, and perhaps hijacking the topic.

But would not YOUR California be far better of seceding ?

(I live in tiny Massachusetts, where every municipality is infested, and we never think of such things.)
We're in the process.

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