Quote from: walkstall on November 10, 2011, 06:29:41 PM

They think "free mkt" is something you work for all your life and the get it free before you do. 

hahahah yes, the word "free" seems to confuse them...

Quote from: redlom xof on November 06, 2011, 07:45:46 PM
Because it's more financially sensible to create products where it is cheaper. Where you don't have to worry about workers unions, paying people more than 1 $ a day, government regulations etc.

The solution is to either bring back these industries through government regulations or compete with the labor condititions of China and other countries.

But if it all sounds too complicated you can do what most people do. Pick a side, left or right. If you pick left you have a whole range of shitty options to pick from starting with racism, white people, red state white people, males, uneducated people and white people. If you pick right you have socialism and taxes. ohh and Mexicans.

I encourage you to learn and understand more about how labor works in business. 

Quote from: redlom xof on November 06, 2011, 07:45:46 PM
Because it's more financially sensible to create products where it is cheaper. Where you don't have to worry about workers unions, paying people more than 1 $ a day, government regulations etc.

The solution is to either bring back these industries through government regulations or compete with the labor condititions of China and other countries.

But if it all sounds too complicated you can do what most people do. Pick a side, left or right. If you pick left you have a whole range of shitty options to pick from starting with racism, white people, red state white people, males, uneducated people and white people. If you pick right you have socialism and taxes. ohh and Mexicans.

So are you of the belief that tariffs and subsidies are a good idea, even to the point of isolationism?
In a free mkt world you have two options, join them in competition, or close off trade.

You complain that business is selling out the American worker, yet the alternative business has, is to close it doors, in turn, killing all jobs in their field, at least by remaining in business they keep some employed in this country to handle paperwork, placing orders and finances.

The world has changed, there is no easy answer, other than compete or die.

Quote from: Solar on November 12, 2011, 11:12:49 AM
So are you of the belief that tariffs and subsidies are a good idea, even to the point of isolationism?
In a free mkt world you have two options, join them in competition, or close off trade.

You complain that business is selling out the American worker, yet the alternative business has, is to close it doors, in turn, killing all jobs in their field, at least by remaining in business they keep some employed in this country to handle paperwork, placing orders and finances.

The world has changed, there is no easy answer, other than compete or die.

It seems libs by nature aren't fans of the whole "competition" thing.  Or, it's OK if businesses have to compete, as long as they don't have to...

Quote from: taxed on November 12, 2011, 11:25:55 AM

It seems libs by nature aren't fans of the whole "competition" thing.  Or, it's OK if businesses have to compete, as long as they don't have to...

Business is merely secondary to the welfare of the employee.
That is if you are a lib, they don't seem to realize without the business, they have no job.

I see it time and time again, they would just a soon see the business fold if they can't have what they want now.

Exactly. You are greedy and selfish if your criteria for investment is to earj a good return on your money.

Quote from: Solar on November 02, 2011, 02:50:20 PM
I agree Dan, Unions love the Min wage BS, it gives them the leverage to force wage hikes on employers.
Government has no business dictating what two people agree upon as a fair trade for labor.

^Also agree

Quote from: Dan on November 02, 2011, 02:21:55 PM
The only sustainable way to increase standards of living is to increase the economic value of the labor of our citizens.

That doesn't mean we let them run up 100K in student loans they will not pay back to get a sociology degree that will earn them 25K per year. That means limiting financial aid to preparation for job fields that will drive our economy in the 21st century. More engineers and nurses and computer programmers and math majors. Fewer art history, sociology and gender studies majors. It means more people going into well paying trades. I know plumbers who make more than MBAs. If my tax dollars are going to subsidize an education then I would rather add another diesel mechanic instead of another lawyer. Get the point.

This is not, however, just a matter of public subsidies. We cannot tax and spend our way into some secular progressive nirvana no matter how much the lefties wish it were so. Everything I have described will be less useful if we do not get more parents taking responsiblity for their children and more children taking responsiblity for their own educations. It can't always be someone else's fault or the fault of ADD or whatever. Without a huge dose of personal responsiblity we are going to have more of the same. A lot of fat, stupid, economically useless adult kids who live at home and feel great about themselves and whine and moan and bitch about how everyone else has screwed them over.

well said dan...well said......will you writer for me when i run for office one day?

You could do much better than me but I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)

Quote from: debatingguy on November 02, 2011, 01:58:22 PM
Is a minimum wage OK and should it be introduced by Germany (leading party plans to do so)?

No, a minimum wage is not OK.  What it does is lead to a) inflation, b) unemployment, and c) economic stagnation.  If you artificially inflate wages of the bottom of society, then all that happens is that everyone else's wages are adjusted accordingly and you've just devalued the currency.  In addition, employers simply stop hiring minimum wage employees.

As for whether Germany should do it, who cares?  If they want to screw up their country, that's their problem, not mine.

Raising the minimum wage will lead to fewer jobs because it will make other options more viable.

Once again, leftists don't seem to understand basic math.

Quote from: Dan on December 22, 2013, 05:01:18 PM
Raising the minimum wage will lead to fewer jobs because it will make other options more viable.

Once again, leftists don't seem to understand basic math.

Thats an understatement  in fact they don't believe in math only whats "fair".

A Burger King meal costs $30 here because the workers get such a high wage. What you end up with is 30 and 40 year olds flippin burgers keeping the younger generations from aquiring work experience.

Quote from: Dan on December 22, 2013, 05:01:18 PM
Raising the minimum wage will lead to fewer jobs because it will make other options more viable.

Once again, leftists don't seem to understand basic math.

Unintended consequences is another concept foreign to libs.

One has to be a real idiot to support minimum wage.

Quote from: taxed on December 24, 2013, 04:46:53 PM
One has to be a real idiot to support minimum wage.

Yep, it forces the mentally challenged into govt programs because they are priced out of the labor pool, in turn destroying ones self esteem along with their humanity.
Good intentions and liberalism always fail.