Marxism versus Capitalism

Often erroneously contrasted as two different choices of an economic system, Marxism is not an economic system. Marxism is a system of social organization. Karl Marx was a sociologist who theorized or imagined a classless society.

The theory of capitalism has  been interpreted as each receiving according to his merit. It is more true to say that under capitalism, each receives according to his capacity to exchange (some might say exchange  value) with the nation. Exchanges are made using the mechanisms established and agreed upon as the economic system.
I put "value" in parenthesis. A pornographer makes money, but does not exchange "value."

Under communism, each receives according to his needs.

Capitalism tends to mediate exchange with free money or with barter. Free money is a term that refers to money whose values floats according to supply and demand. Communism tends to reward with either state script, or state property. Under communism, private ownership is discouraged,  even outlawed.

When we discuss differences between capitalism and communism, as  many encourage, we can wind up comparing apples and oranges.

Apples and Oranges are different, yet you can have a distinct preference of one over the other. You can compare them using a number of other criteria, too. In this sense, I don't see why Capitalism and Marxism are not comparable.

Quote from: PossiblyLogical on April 21, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
Apples and Oranges are different, yet you can have a distinct preference of one over the other. You can compare them using a number of other criteria, too. In this sense, I don't see why Capitalism and Marxism are not comparable.

Because one is reality, and the other is fantasy.  Marxism is not a viable, well, anything.

Quote from: PossiblyLogical on April 21, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
Apples and Oranges are different, yet you can have a distinct preference of one over the other. You can compare them using a number of other criteria, too. In this sense, I don't see why Capitalism and Marxism are not comparable.

One creates wealth, while the other steals it.

Quote from: Solar on May 15, 2014, 05:39:55 PM
One creates wealth, while the other steals it.

Enlightened people will know Marxism has never existed in the real world the way you understand it.  The Soviet Union was not Marxist.

Similarly, pure capatalist has never really existed either.  FOr the short time it has, it has been a disaster.

In America we have a state capitalist society.  Not capitalism.

Quote from: simo5656 on July 15, 2014, 10:36:42 AM
Enlightened people will know Marxism has never existed in the real world the way you understand it.  The Soviet Union was not Marxist.

Similarly, pure capatalist has never really existed either.  FOr the short time it has, it has been a disaster.

In America we have a state capitalist society.  Not capitalism.

You're a Marxist.  Do you not know that?

Quote from: taxed on July 15, 2014, 10:57:18 AM
You're a Marxist.  Do you not know that?

That isn't an argument.   Do you know that?

But, I am not a Marxist.  I am not a capitalist.   I am probably closest to a social democrat on economic issues.  On social issues I am mixed. 

I dont really like to label myself though.  I find following dogma embarrassing and absurd.

Again thought, I challegen you to a debate in our own thread, do you accept?

Quote from: simo5656 on July 15, 2014, 11:16:13 AM
That isn't an argument.   Do you know that?

But, I am not a Marxist.  I am not a capitalist.   I am probably closest to a social democrat on economic issues.  On social issues I am mixed. 

I dont really like to label myself though.  I find following dogma embarrassing and absurd.

Again thought, I challegen you to a debate in our own thread, do you accept?

You can't have a discussion.  Don't worry about a debate.  Baby steps.

Quote from: taxed on July 15, 2014, 12:02:46 PM
You can't have a discussion.  Don't worry about a debate.  Baby steps.

Sorry, then I am forced to not respond to you.  I offered you a chance at a debate.  You turned it down.  I know why.

Quote from: simo5656 on July 15, 2014, 12:33:40 PM
Sorry, then I am forced to not respond to you.  I offered you a chance at a debate.  You turned it down.  I know why.

You post a lot of words without explaining, and defining, your beliefs. Those are troll characteristics.

Quote from: simo5656 on July 15, 2014, 10:36:42 AM
Enlightened people will know Marxism has never existed in the real world the way you understand it.  The Soviet Union was not Marxist.

Similarly, pure capatalist has never really existed either.  FOr the short time it has, it has been a disaster.

In America we have a state capitalist society.  Not capitalism.

All hail the enlightened social democrats, for surely social democracy have not been a disaster... oh wait we are living it now...

Anyone know what pure capitalist society he was referring too?

There aren't enough selfless persons in the world to volunteer to give up enough to those that haven't kept up to allow true Marxism to take hold. The ones supporting it have no intention of accommodating anyone except themselves, which is why The Soviet Union was never truly Communist.

Why do so many think that they are owed something for just breathing? I wish we could get rid of all this tech advancement and go back to a simplier time when people had enough business of their own to think about to get bother with someone else's business.