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Title: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 09, 2020, 10:42:51 AM
People whine that a min wage job isn't a living wage job. To those people, I say fuck off! The reason I have no sympathy for them, is, fast food employment has always been an entry level position, a way to enter the job mkt for young people.
They learn what is expected of them when they're drawing an hourly wage. But if you stay at a min wage level, that's no one's fault but your own, especially in this economy.
This is why Obozo tried to cripple the American economy, it gave fuel to the false Min Wage protests.

Want to make more? Bust your ass!


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Wanted: Restaurant manager. Competitive salary: $100,000.

The six-figure sum is not being offered at a haute cuisine location with culinary accolades, but at fast-food chain Taco Bell. Amid an increasingly tough U.S. labor market, the company is betting a higher salary will help it attract workers and keep them on the team.

The Yum! Brands Inc.-owned chain will test the higher salary in select restaurants in the U.S. Midwest and Northeast, and will also try a new role for employees who want leadership experience but don't want to be in the management position. Current salaries for general managers at company-owned Taco Bell stores are between $50,000 and $80,000, according to the company.

a screenshot of a cell phone: A stubbornly low jobless rate is forcing companies to get creative with pay
© Bloomberg A stubbornly low jobless rate is forcing companies to get creative with pay
It's another example of how stubbornly low unemployment is changing the face of fast food, which for decades has been seen as the quintessential low-wage job. Restaurants including Olive Garden owner Darden Restaurants Inc. and Shake Shack Inc. have recently called out labor inflation that's hurting margins.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/companies/taco-bell-offering-24100000-salary-amid-mounting-worker-shortage/ar-BBYMNIM
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: supsalemgr on January 09, 2020, 11:13:42 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 09, 2020, 10:42:51 AM
People whine that a min wage job isn't a living wage job. To those people, I say fuck off! The reason I have no sympathy for them, is, fast food employment has always been an entry level position, a way to enter the job mkt for young people.
They learn what is expected of them when they're drawing an hourly wage. But if you stay at a min wage level, that's no one's fault but your own, especially in this economy.
This is why Obozo tried to cripple the American economy, it gave fuel to the false Min Wage protests.

Want to make more? Bust your ass!


(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBYMPK3.img?h=810&w=1438&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f)



Wanted: Restaurant manager. Competitive salary: $100,000.

The six-figure sum is not being offered at a haute cuisine location with culinary accolades, but at fast-food chain Taco Bell. Amid an increasingly tough U.S. labor market, the company is betting a higher salary will help it attract workers and keep them on the team.

The Yum! Brands Inc.-owned chain will test the higher salary in select restaurants in the U.S. Midwest and Northeast, and will also try a new role for employees who want leadership experience but don't want to be in the management position. Current salaries for general managers at company-owned Taco Bell stores are between $50,000 and $80,000, according to the company.

a screenshot of a cell phone: A stubbornly low jobless rate is forcing companies to get creative with pay
© Bloomberg A stubbornly low jobless rate is forcing companies to get creative with pay
It's another example of how stubbornly low unemployment is changing the face of fast food, which for decades has been seen as the quintessential low-wage job. Restaurants including Olive Garden owner Darden Restaurants Inc. and Shake Shack Inc. have recently called out labor inflation that's hurting margins.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/companies/taco-bell-offering-24100000-salary-amid-mounting-worker-shortage/ar-BBYMNIM

Amazing what the fee market and capitalism can deliver, isn't it?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 09, 2020, 11:21:30 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 09, 2020, 11:13:42 AM
Amazing what the fee market and capitalism can deliver, isn't it?
:thumbup: There are help wanted ads from multiple companies in central Texas needing help and starting above $15 an hour. Of course unemployment is in the low 3's. And that is how you raise the minimum wage. Are there any socialist listening?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 09, 2020, 11:55:49 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 09, 2020, 10:42:51 AM
People whine that a min wage job isn't a living wage job. To those people, I say fuck off! The reason I have no sympathy for them, is, fast food employment has always been an entry level position, a way to enter the job mkt for young people.
They learn what is expected of them when they're drawing an hourly wage. But if you stay at a min wage level, that's no one's fault but your own, especially in this economy.
This is why Obozo tried to cripple the American economy, it gave fuel to the false Min Wage protests.

Want to make more? Bust your ass!


(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBYMPK3.img?h=810&w=1438&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f)



Wanted: Restaurant manager. Competitive salary: $100,000.

The six-figure sum is not being offered at a haute cuisine location with culinary accolades, but at fast-food chain Taco Bell. Amid an increasingly tough U.S. labor market, the company is betting a higher salary will help it attract workers and keep them on the team.

The Yum! Brands Inc.-owned chain will test the higher salary in select restaurants in the U.S. Midwest and Northeast, and will also try a new role for employees who want leadership experience but don't want to be in the management position. Current salaries for general managers at company-owned Taco Bell stores are between $50,000 and $80,000, according to the company.

a screenshot of a cell phone: A stubbornly low jobless rate is forcing companies to get creative with pay
© Bloomberg A stubbornly low jobless rate is forcing companies to get creative with pay
It's another example of how stubbornly low unemployment is changing the face of fast food, which for decades has been seen as the quintessential low-wage job. Restaurants including Olive Garden owner Darden Restaurants Inc. and Shake Shack Inc. have recently called out labor inflation that's hurting margins.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/companies/taco-bell-offering-24100000-salary-amid-mounting-worker-shortage/ar-BBYMNIM

They've still got some catching up to do. In n Out pays $160K

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/taco-bell-will-run-pilot-program-paying-select-managers-100000-a-year-but-in-n-out-burger-already-pays-managers-160000-2020-01-09
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 09, 2020, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 09, 2020, 11:55:49 AM
They've still got some catching up to do. In n Out pays $160K

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/taco-bell-will-run-pilot-program-paying-select-managers-100000-a-year-but-in-n-out-burger-already-pays-managers-160000-2020-01-09
As expected, the point went right over your head.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Sick Of Silence on January 09, 2020, 01:06:51 PM
But, you still have the headache of being a fast food manager. My mom worked fast food for a long time. She refused to become a manager. It is not worth it. She had seniority and worked 9-5 Monday thru Friday and had weekends off. Don't get me started on how she kept the place functional an how the people who worked there were clueless idiots. The same idiots a manager has to deal with. They want $15 an hour but can't count $15 worth of change

I see the same thing in the service company I work for. As we speak, my ex-manager (who was promoted to regional manager) has had enough with that and is returning to being our manager. My current manager (who has had enough) is becoming a service tech again. I have seen another service tech get promoted to manager and give that up quickly.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 09, 2020, 01:09:02 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 09, 2020, 12:55:50 PM
As expected, (https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/YUM/key-statistics/) the point went right over your head. (https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/YUM/yum!-brands/ebitda)

No, no, I get it. More competition for employees presumably means jobs have to compete and pay more.

But I looked up Taco Bells profits and they're making the same amount of money now that they made during the Recession/Recovery.

They could've paid it before if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 09, 2020, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on January 09, 2020, 01:06:51 PM
But, you still have the headache of being a fast food manager. My mom worked fast food for a long time. She refused to become a manager. It is not worth it. She had seniority and worked 9-5 Monday thru Friday and had weekends off. Don't get me started on how she kept the place functional an how the people who worked there were clueless idiots. The same idiots a manager has to deal with. They want $15 an hour but can't count $15 worth of change

I see the same thing in the service company I work for. As we speak, my ex-manager (who was promoted to regional manager) has had enough with that and is returning to being our manager. My current manager (who has had enough) is becoming a service tech again. I have seen another service tech get promoted to manager and give that up quickly.
Like all things, it requires dedication and sacrifice, all jobs do if you want to get ahead. Not everyone is cut out for leadership positions, I thrived in it myself and was paid well.
Like all great managers, we usually wind up in business for ourselves.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Sick Of Silence on January 09, 2020, 01:37:32 PM
Nothing to do with dedication. It's reality. They are constantly on conference calls (morning, afternoon, and evening) and they are even woken up in the middle of the night. They have to answer why they did not make various goals because of the idiots they manage. You make more money being a service tech than a local manager pay/salary versus hours. I always get overtime. There have been very few days of getting home on time. Even when they have their yearly "we have to control overtime", I get overtime. I have forced overtime in some cases.

Did I tell you that the regional manager (who had to move up north) got tired of paying those high taxes as well?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 09, 2020, 02:08:05 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 09, 2020, 01:09:02 PM
No, no, I get it. More competition for employees presumably means jobs have to compete and pay more.

But I looked up Taco Bells profits and they're making the same amount of money now that they made during the Recession/Recovery.

They could've paid it before if they wanted to.

What recession? You mean depression, correct?

Also, why would they pay more? I don't understand.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 09, 2020, 02:08:59 PM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on January 09, 2020, 01:37:32 PM
Nothing to do with dedication. It's reality. They are constantly on conference calls (morning, afternoon, and evening) and they are even woken up in the middle of the night. They have to answer why they did not make various goals because of the idiots they manage. You make more money being a service tech than a local manager pay/salary versus hours. I always get overtime. There have been very few days of getting home on time. Even when they have their yearly "we have to control overtime", I get overtime. I have forced overtime in some cases.

Did I tell you that the regional manager (who had to move up north) got tired of paying those high taxes as well?
Yep, that's life. If you don't want to work hard, find a job that doesn't demand much, but expect to be paid accordingly.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 09, 2020, 02:13:43 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 09, 2020, 12:55:50 PM
As expected, the point went right over your head.

Bernie supporters absolutely hate business. I'll never understand.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 09, 2020, 02:35:18 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 09, 2020, 02:13:43 PM
Bernie supporters absolutely hate business. I'll never understand.
Yeah, it literally OOOOZES out of his posts.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 09, 2020, 03:05:33 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 09, 2020, 02:08:05 PM
What recession? You mean depression, correct?

Also, why would they pay more? I don't understand.

The 2008 Financial Crisis and all that followed. You can call it a depression if you'd like. I'm just calling it by name to be sure we're talking about the same thing.

They don't have to unless the market or labor demands it. It's not an obligation.

But if I were making $2.2B (like YUM is) per year in profits and increasing our pay scale to be the best in the industry cost $200M. I'd do it and live with the $2B in profits.

Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 09, 2020, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 09, 2020, 03:05:33 PM
The 2008 Financial Crisis and all that followed. You can call it a depression if you'd like.

I like calling things what they are.

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I'm just calling it by name to be sure we're talking about the same thing.

You insinuated Hussein presided over a recovery.  I must have misunderstood. My apologies.

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They don't have to unless the market or labor demands it. It's not an obligation.

Of course.


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But if I were making $2.2B (like YUM is) per year in profits and increasing our pay scale to be the best in the industry cost $200M. I'd do it and live with the $2B in profits.

That's the one thing about Marxists.  You guys are always "If I were...", or "I'm gonna'...", instead of doing it. In the end, you guys are the least charitable people on the planet.  You crap on the risk takers, innovators, and producers, and then wonder why your political ideology (in this case, would be the correct term) is rejected by those who ignorantly advocate for it, at every turn, when explained to them in detail.

Living a wealthy lifestyle should be commended and appreciated.  It's not fair to the rich when poor people have chosen to go into debt, learn no marketable skill, then turn around and point at them as if they did something wrong.  They create the jobs -- even the non-business owners -- that enable people to enjoy independence.

I understand you think breadlines are a good thing, but they're not.  In 100% of socialist societies, those societies fail.  In 100% of those societies, the government officials lived like kings.  As John C. Drew said, "Marxists love Marxism because they always think they're going to be the ones at the top".  Nobody in the United States wants to live in a craphole.


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Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Bronx on January 16, 2020, 06:46:17 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 09, 2020, 01:09:02 PM
No, no, I get it. More competition for employees presumably means jobs have to compete and pay more.

But I looked up Taco Bells profits and they're making the same amount of money now that they made during the Recession/Recovery.

They could've paid it before if they wanted to.

Profits might be the same like you claim but the jobs market wasn't. These overqualified manager had nowhere else to go so they took these jobs. Now that the jobs market opened up in Trump's economy these overqualified managers took their skills elsewhere leaving Taco Bell and others calling them back with big money offers.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 07:22:32 AM
Quote from: Bronx on January 16, 2020, 06:46:17 AM
Profits might be the same like you claim but the jobs market wasn't. These overqualified manager had nowhere else to go so they took these jobs. Now that the jobs market opened up in Trump's economy these overqualified managers took their skills elsewhere leaving Taco Bell and others calling them back with big money offers.

Yup. They're considering raising wages because they think they have to, not because they want to.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: supsalemgr on January 16, 2020, 07:47:42 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 07:22:32 AM
Yup. They're considering raising wages because they think they have to, not because they want to.

There is nothing wrong with the strategy you outline in your post. The market place is working. Sure Taco Bell would prefer not to have to offer this pay scale as their goal is to maximize profits.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 11:40:23 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 07:22:32 AM
Yup. They're considering raising wages because they think they have to, not because they want to.
Like I've stated before, in central Texas, there are businesses looking to hire at over $15 an hour. These are entry jobs, stocking, checking, ect. They are offering this because unemployment is 3%. This is how you raise the minimum wage, not by having the government, which knows very little about business, tell the business owner how much to pay his employees. Having the government set wages leads to higher unemployment and kills the small businessman. You stated "they think they have to" like it was a bad thing. Let me ask a question, when you  get the bill from the doctor, are you going to write a check for double the amount because it would be the good liberal thing to do, are will you write a check for the amount owed? Joe, you just had a kid, one of these days he might get his first job at age 16 carrying out groceries which is towards the lower end of the wage scale. Will you expect the government to step in and demand the company pay his a living wage, or will you want him to go get his high school diploma, go to college, get his degree, and better himself in order to get that better paying job??
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 11:40:23 AM
Like I've stated before, in central Texas, there are businesses looking to hire at over $15 an hour. These are entry jobs, stocking, checking, ect. They are offering this because unemployment is 3%. This is how you raise the minimum wage, not by having the government, which knows very little about business, tell the business owner how much to pay his employees. Having the government set wages leads to higher unemployment and kills the small businessman. You stated "they think they have to" like it was a bad thing. Let me ask a question, when you  get the bill from the doctor, are you going to write a check for double the amount because it would be the good liberal thing to do, are will you write a check for the amount owed? Joe, you just had a kid, one of these days he might get his first job at age 16 carrying out groceries which is towards the lower end of the wage scale. Will you expect the government to step in and demand the company pay his a living wage, or will you want him to go get his high school diploma, go to college, get his degree, and better himself in order to get that better paying job??

Let me give my own example...

My father in law needed some roof work done recently. He got a few quotes that were too expensive. He's on a fixed income.

So, he started asking around and got an immigrant to do it for much less. But, he didn't pay just what the guy was asking, he paid extra because he could. He couldn't afford 10K, but he still paid the most he could. Even though the guy was willing to do it for less.

I guess it's akin to tipping at a restaurant.


And to answer your question, it can be both. A living wage, imo, is enough to get a studio and maintain yourself (although,I I believe it's been said it was enough to maintain a family of 3 in the past). I would like that to be the minimum wage and I would also like whoever is making that to aspire to make a bit more.

But, if they're working full time, they should be able to maintain themselves with their job, whatever that may be.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 12:11:57 PM
Let me give my own example...

My father in law needed some roof work done recently. He got a few quotes that were too expensive. He's on a fixed income.

So, he started asking around and got an immigrant to do it for much less. But, he didn't pay just what the guy was asking, he paid extra because he could. He couldn't afford 10K, but he still paid the most he could. Even though the guy was willing to do it for less.

I guess it's akin to tipping at a restaurant.


And to answer your question, it can be both. A living wage, imo, is enough to get a studio and maintain yourself (although,I I believe it's been said it was enough to maintain a family of 3 in the past).
Nope, never happened, I know, I made min wage since the 60s through out the 80s.

QuoteI would like that to be the minimum wage and I would also like whoever is making that to aspire to make a bit more.

But, if they're working full time, they should be able to maintain themselves with their job, whatever that may be.
Have you ever actually thought through that idiocy?
If min wage was set as a living wage, it would totally kill all entry level jobs for people entering the work force.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
Nope, never happened, I know, I made min wage since the 60s through out the 80s. (https://www.citylab.com/life/2013/12/minimum-wage-was-once-enough-keep-family-3-out-poverty/7773/)
Have you ever actually thought through that idiocy?
If min wage was set as a living wage, it would totally kill all entry level jobs for people entering the work force.

In 1968, the minimum wage for most workers was $1.60 an hour. An employee working at that rate for 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, would have earned $3,328. That was above the poverty thresholds that year for a three person-household: $2,817 annually for a home headed by a man and $2,516 for a home headed by a woman.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/politifact-majority-of-minimum-wage-earners-in-1968-could-support-family/2171338/



It's just the numbers.

http://www.pdmiami.com/federal_poverty_guidelines.htm

For minimum wage to keep a family of 3 our of poverty it would only have to be raised to $10.25

I think in another thread on here I advocated for something around 10 or 11 bucks also
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: supsalemgr on January 16, 2020, 01:21:07 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 12:11:57 PM
Let me give my own example...

My father in law needed some roof work done recently. He got a few quotes that were too expensive. He's on a fixed income.

So, he started asking around and got an immigrant to do it for much less. But, he didn't pay just what the guy was asking, he paid extra because he could. He couldn't afford 10K, but he still paid the most he could. Even though the guy was willing to do it for less.

I guess it's akin to tipping at a restaurant.


And to answer your question, it can be both. A living wage, imo, is enough to get a studio and maintain yourself (although,I I believe it's been said it was enough to maintain a family of 3 in the past). I would like that to be the minimum wage and I would also like whoever is making that to aspire to make a bit more.

But, if they're working full time, they should be able to maintain themselves with their job, whatever that may be.

Nope. Our economy offers opportunity. If one is in a job that is not fulfilling their needs they should either adjust their needs or improve their skill set to find a job that fulfills their needs. This thought is based on one being capable of self sufficiency.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 01:20:30 PM
In 1968, the minimum wage for most workers was $1.60 an hour. An employee working at that rate for 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, would have earned $3,328. That was above the poverty thresholds that year for a three person-household: $2,817 annually for a home headed by a man and $2,516 for a home headed by a woman.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/politifact-majority-of-minimum-wage-earners-in-1968-could-support-family/2171338/



It's just the numbers.

http://www.pdmiami.com/federal_poverty_guidelines.htm

For minimum wage to keep a family of 3 our of poverty it would only have to be raised to $10.25

I think in another thread on here I advocated for something around 10 or 11 bucks also
It also mattered where you live, whether or not you needed a car, were you close to amenities, etc.
No, here in Ca min wage was never a living wage nor meant to be. It was designed to keep predatory employers from screwing workers, and has since out lived its need, as Unions have outlived their usefulness as well because we have laws covering every aspect of employment.

You still haven't addressed my point about raising a min wage to a living wage and how it will effect the entry level employee.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 01:52:27 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 12:11:57 PM
Let me give my own example...

My father in law needed some roof work done recently. He got a few quotes that were too expensive. He's on a fixed income.

So, he started asking around and got an immigrant to do it for much less. But, he didn't pay just what the guy was asking, he paid extra because he could. He couldn't afford 10K, but he still paid the most he could. Even though the guy was willing to do it for less.

I guess it's akin to tipping at a restaurant.


And to answer your question, it can be both. A living wage, imo, is enough to get a studio and maintain yourself (although,I I believe it's been said it was enough to maintain a family of 3 in the past). I would like that to be the minimum wage and I would also like whoever is making that to aspire to make a bit more.

But, if they're working full time, they should be able to maintain themselves with their job, whatever that may be.
Exactly, now picture your father in law as all the small businesses out there and the government says THIS IS HOW MUCH YOU ARE GOING TO PAY!! Now your in law has to choose, do it himself, only do half the roof, or just go out of business. Joe, there are jobs out there, ex. flipping burgers, that just were not designed to be a career choice, a way to support a family ect. Put it this way, lets say shiff has a job flipping burgers, you want to pay him a living wage. Now shiff starts having kids and now has four , how much are you now going to pay him because now his "living" has just got a whole lot more expensive. What about shiff's alimony since all four have different mothers? Point is a persons living is nobodies business but his own. There are programs out there to help, make sure shiff will not starve ect. but a small business or a large business is not responsible for shiff's living. If shiff does not like his pay, let him better himself to get that better paying job.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 01:38:04 PM
It also mattered where you live, whether or not you needed a car, were you close to amenities, etc.
No, here in Ca min wage was never a living wage nor meant to be. It was designed to keep predatory employers from screwing workers, and has since out lived its need, as Unions have outlived their usefulness as well because we have laws covering every aspect of employment.

You still haven't addressed my point about raising a min wage to a living wage and how it will effect the entry level employee.

Well, let's say minimum wage is raised to $10. Many states are already past that number...

of the 18 States that have a 10+ wage, 7 have unemployment higher than the national average and 11 have unemployment lower than the national average.

So...more good than bad.

https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

Each State should just tie their minimum wage to the Cost of Living and inflation for their State.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 02:11:18 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
Well, let's say minimum wage is raised to $10. Many states are already past that number...
Minimum wage kills jobs and business.  Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

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of the 18 States that have a 10+ wage, 7 have unemployment higher than the national average and 11 have unemployment lower than the national average.

So...more good than bad.

https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

Each State should just tie their minimum wage to the Cost of Living and inflation for their State.

No. That's Bernie Sanders stupidity talking.  Minimum wage should be $0.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 02:17:38 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
Well, let's say minimum wage is raised to $10. Many states are already past that number...

of the 18 States that have a 10+ wage, 7 have unemployment higher than the national average and 11 have unemployment lower than the national average.

So...more good than bad.

https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

Each State should just tie their minimum wage to the Cost of Living and inflation for their State.
this is why canidates such as bernie and warren push the minimum wage so.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/edrensi/2017/01/19/why-it-is-that-unions-fund-the-fight-for-15/#403a3f2150ce

"Traditionally, unions have supported minimum wage initiatives because their contracts have been directly or indirectly tied to the minimum wage. For instance, UNITE contract that covered workers in  Pennsylvania, Ohio, and South Jersey said the following: "Whenever the federal legal minimum wage is increased, minimum wage [in the agreement] shall be increased so that each will be at least fifteen (15%) percent higher than such legal minimum wage."



more union wages = more in dues =more money to give to the democrats.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:26:45 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 02:17:38 PM
this is why canidates such as bernie and warren push the minimum wage so.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/edrensi/2017/01/19/why-it-is-that-unions-fund-the-fight-for-15/#403a3f2150ce

"Traditionally, unions have supported minimum wage initiatives because their contracts have been directly or indirectly tied to the minimum wage. For instance, UNITE contract that covered workers in  Pennsylvania, Ohio, and South Jersey said the following: "Whenever the federal legal minimum wage is increased, minimum wage [in the agreement] shall be increased so that each will be at least fifteen (15%) percent higher than such legal minimum wage. (https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdf)"



more union wages = more in dues =more money to give to the democrats.

That might be so for unions...but only  10% of all employees are in unions. Everyone else just wants to get paid more for their labor.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 02:36:46 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:26:45 PM
That might be so for unions...but only  10% of all employees are in unions. Everyone else just wants to get paid more for their labor.

People want to get paid more you say?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 02:37:21 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:26:45 PM
That might be so for unions...but only  10% of all employees are in unions. Everyone else just wants to get paid more for their labor.
The point was that is why bernie and warren and other liberals are for the minimum wage. It has nothing to do with workers. or who gets paid. If it was for the workers why would they back a law that would put so many of them out of work?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 02:38:31 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 02:37:21 PM
The point was that is why bernie and warren and other liberals are for the minimum wage. It has nothing to do with workers. or who gets paid. If it was for the workers why would they back a law that would put so many of them out of work?

Exactly.  The best thing the unions could do for workers is to fold up shop and go out of business.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:44:54 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 02:37:21 PM
The point was that is why bernie and warren and other liberals are for the minimum wage. It has nothing to do with workers. or who gets paid. If it was for the workers why would they back a law that would put so many of them out of work?

Except that many States have higher wages and their unemployment levels are on par with the rest of the country.

I've said it here before. I'm not for $15 minimum. But I am for an increase. The only reason Unions exist is because ppl got fed up and got together to demand more from their employers.

If they were making a living wage and being treated fairly they wouldn't feel the need to join or form a union.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 02:48:55 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:44:54 PM
Except that many States have higher wages and their unemployment levels are on par with the rest of the country.

I've said it here before. I'm not for $15 minimum. But I am for an increase. The only reason Unions exist is because ppl got fed up and got together to demand more from their employers.

If they were making a living wage and being treated fairly they wouldn't feel the need to join or form a union.

Show me one state where minimum wage benefits private business.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:55:35 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 02:48:55 PM
Show me one state where minimum wage benefits private business.

All of them.

Every single state has minimum wage. And private business still do well.

Show me empirically a state where minimum wage hurts private business.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 02:55:44 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:44:54 PM
Except that many States have higher wages and their unemployment levels are on par with the rest of the country.

I've said it here before. I'm not for $15 minimum. But I am for an increase. The only reason Unions exist is because ppl got fed up and got together to demand more from their employers.

If they were making a living wage and being treated fairly they wouldn't feel the need to join or form a union.
Because the cost of living is higher. or as in Texas as in other states, the unemployment is so low business had to increase pay to get workers. No one here is against whatever someone earns. However, it is not the governments job to set that rate.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:57:58 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 02:55:44 PM
Because the cost of living is higher. or as in Texas as in other states, the unemployment is so low business had to increase pay to get workers. No one here is against whatever someone earns. However, it is not the governments job to set that rate.

Alright. So there we have it. I think the local government should set it. You don't think so.

We'll agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:57:58 PM
Alright. So there we have it. I think the local government should set it. You don't think so.

We'll agree to disagree.
Should the government set prices on what you buy?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:11:40 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:10:15 PM

Last time, answer my point!

"You still haven't addressed my point about raising a min wage to a living wage and how it will effect the entry level employee."

My point is, you don't want to address because you know quite well it's a job killer!
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 02:48:55 PM
Show me one state where minimum wage benefits private business.
Oooh Oooh I know, I Know!!! Pick me... Oh wait, you said help? Never mind. :lol:

https://downtrend.com/71superb/seattles-minimum-wage-increase-causing-small-businesses-to-close/

https://fee.org/articles/15-minimum-wage-laws-are-wiping-out-jobs-in-new-york-and-illinois/
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 03:19:04 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:11:40 PM
Last time, answer my point!

"You still haven't addressed my point about raising a min wage to a living wage and how it will effect the entry level employee."

My point is, you don't want to address because you know quite well it's a job killer!

I don't know if it is or isn't. Do you want to provide some research for me?

Taco Bell could raise their minimum wage with no impact on employment if they so chose. A smaller, less profitable business may not be able to.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 03:19:04 PM
I don't know if it is or isn't. Do you want to provide some research for me?

Taco Bell could raise their minimum wage with no impact on employment if they so chose. A smaller, less profitable business may not be able to.
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
A living wage would be around $20 plus an hour in many states. Now ask yourself, if someone is comfortable making that wage, and the company more than likely will be maxed out on openings, how is an entry level kid supposed to get a shot at a job?
There is an answer, and it's been floated for decades. Create an entry level wage half that amount. Problem is, it works and the Dims aren't looking for solutions, Period! No, they need to create as many victims as possible.
When are you going to wake to the fact that all these Marxist policies are not designed to help, only hurt business?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 03:04:12 PM
Should the government set prices on what you buy?
BINGO!!! You just exposed the Leftist Fraud!! :thumbup:
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 03:39:59 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:26:14 PM
BINGO!!! You just exposed the Leftist Fraud!! :thumbup:
There are examples in the world what happens when the government sets wage and price controls such as nixon did. None have a happy ending. I have to say one thing for evil capitalist nations such as South Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerland, Australia, and the worst one, the U.S., the standard of living is very high DESPITE government interference not because of it.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 03:43:05 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 02:55:35 PM
All of them.

Every single state has minimum wage. And private business still do well.

Show me empirically a state where minimum wage hurts private business.

Show me one state where minimum wage helps private business.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:25:34 PM
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
A living wage would be around $20 plus an hour in many states. Now ask yourself, if someone is comfortable making that wage, and the company more than likely will be maxed out on openings, how is an entry level kid supposed to get a shot at a job?
There is an answer, and it's been floated for decades. Create an entry level wage half that amount. Problem is, it works and the Dims aren't looking for solutions, Period! No, they need to create as many victims as possible.
When are you going to wake to the fact that all these Marxist policies are not designed to help, only hurt business?

Joe thinks the cost of living in San Francisco is the same as Birmingham.  I swear, I'd pull my hair out after 5 minutes in at a Bernie campaign event.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 03:19:04 PM
I don't know if it is or isn't. Do you want to provide some research for me?

Taco Bell could raise their minimum wage with no impact on employment if they so chose. A smaller, less profitable business may not be able to.

https://www.facesof15.com/
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:46:48 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 03:45:18 PM
Joe thinks the cost of living in San Francisco is the same as Birmingham.  I swear, I'd pull my hair out after 5 minutes in at a Bernie campaign event.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That explains Bernies hair cut.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 03:49:15 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:46:48 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That explains Bernies hair cut.

Joe, why not raise wages to $50 per hour?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:51:17 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 03:49:15 PM
Joe, why not raise wages to $50 per hour?
Man, can you imagine? We'd have zero unemployment for about a week, then? Our economy would collapse. That right there should be proof enough that Govt interference kills jobs.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:25:34 PM
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
A living wage would be around $20 plus an hour in many states. Now ask yourself, if someone is comfortable making that wage, and the company more than likely will be maxed out on openings, how is an entry level kid supposed to get a shot at a job?
There is an answer, and it's been floated for decades. Create an entry level wage half that amount. Problem is, it works and the Dims aren't looking for solutions, Period! No, they need to create as many victims as possible.
When are you going to wake to the fact that all these Marxist policies are not designed to help, only hurt business?

Maybe if you want to live somewhat comfortably. In Miami,FL for example, you need almost $18 as a single person. In Miami,IN $15 is perfect.

https://www.epi.org/resources/budget/

I know people that get roommates, and are creative and made due with less. But my point is that they can take care of themselves.

So, I'm not advocating for comfort or a $15 federal minimum wage. I'm advocating for a Studio apartment or an efficiency. No real amenities, but at least you're not living in the street or having to work 2 jobs to maintain.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:58:26 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 03:55:02 PM
Maybe if you want to live somewhat comfortably. In Miami,FL for example, you need almost $18 as a single person. In Miami,IN $15 is perfect.

https://www.epi.org/resources/budget/

I know people that get roommates, and are creative and made due with less. But my point is that they can take care of themselves.

So, I'm not advocating for comfort or a $15 federal minimum wage. I'm advocating for a Studio apartment or an efficiency. No real amenities, but at least you're not living in the street or having to work 2 jobs to maintain.
No, now you're trying to move the goal post. You were advocating for a living wage, now you claim you just want comfort?

You still haven't addressed my point about raising a min wage to a living wage and how it will effect the entry level employee.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:04:08 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 03:55:02 PM
Maybe if you want to live somewhat comfortably. In Miami,FL for example, you need almost $18 as a single person. In Miami,IN $15 is perfect.

https://www.epi.org/resources/budget/

I know people that get roommates, and are creative and made due with less. But my point is that they can take care of themselves.

So, I'm not advocating for comfort or a $15 federal minimum wage. I'm advocating for a Studio apartment or an efficiency. No real amenities, but at least you're not living in the street or having to work 2 jobs to maintain.

Why do you deserve to live comfortably?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 03:46:18 PM
https://www.facesof15.com/

Quotehttps://www.fsrmagazine.com/expert-takes/restaurant-profitability-and-failure-rates-what-you-need-know

Sixty percent of restaurants don't make it past their first year and 80 percent go out of business within five years.

that website is mostly restaurants. Odds are they were likely gonna go out of business anyway.

But thanks for the link. It's mostly anecdotal.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 03:55:02 PM
Maybe if you want to live somewhat comfortably. In Miami,FL for example, you need almost $18 as a single person. In Miami,IN $15 is perfect.

https://www.epi.org/resources/budget/

I know people that get roommates, and are creative and made due with less. But my point is that they can take care of themselves.

So, I'm not advocating for comfort or a $15 federal minimum wage. I'm advocating for a Studio apartment or an efficiency. No real amenities, but at least you're not living in the street or having to work 2 jobs to maintain.
Does the person with four kids make more than the person with no kids?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:09:12 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 03:58:26 PM
No, now you're trying to move the goal post. You were advocating for a living wage, now you claim you just want comfort?

You still haven't addressed my point about raising a min wage to a living wage and how it will effect the entry level employee.

I was advocating for a living wage. That does not mean comfort. Please go back and re-read what I wrote.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:04:08 PM
Why do you deserve to live comfortably?

Re-read what I wrote. You're asking me that because you misread it.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:11:33 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 04:08:43 PM
Does the person with four kids make more than the person with no kids?

:blink:

No. What kinda question is that?

If you're getting minimum wage and I'm getting minimum wage it doesn't matter who has more kids. We're both still getting minimum wage.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:09:12 PM
I was advocating for a living wage. That does not mean comfort. Please go back and re-read what I wrote.
No, you originally advocated for a living wage!

Now, stop avoiding the  elephant in the room!

You still haven't addressed my point about raising a min wage to a living wage and how it will effect the entry level employee.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:19:01 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:07:27 PM
that website is mostly restaurants. Odds are they were likely gonna go out of business anyway.

But thanks for the link. It's mostly anecdotal.
So you' re OK with killing off new business? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:07:27 PM
that website is mostly restaurants. Odds are they were likely gonna go out of business anyway.

What do you think drove manufacturing out of the United States?  It wasn't the weather.


Quote
But thanks for the link. It's mostly anecdotal.

They're real businesses with real employees, and real business owners.  The disdain for small business by you Bernie guys is unreal.


https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/12/15/restaurants-closing-minimum-wage-increase/

Quote"It's bittersweet. It's been 14 years. It's been a good run," said Phil Courey, the owner of Opa! Opa! Greek restaurant in East Sacramento.

Courey has been at his location on J street since 2006 and was set to close on Sunday until the community stepped in and begged him on social media to stay open.




QuoteMeanwhile, another popular Sacramento restaurant closed under pressure.

In South Sacramento, Perry's restaurant along Highway 99 served their final meals on Sunday. Some customers who lined up for the last meal were dismayed.

"It's really sad just thinking about this," Patricia Smith said. "It's an institution. This is a Sacramento institution."

For years, Perry's was the go-to place for cops, truckers and customers looking for late-night eats. Paul Fraga bought the business from the original owner 10 years ago.



Every one of those businesses in that facesof15 was an established business.


https://conservativehardliner.com/bernies-minimum-wage-dumpster-fire
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:20:37 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:09:49 PM
Re-read what I wrote. You're asking me that because you misread it.

Why not raise the minimum wage to $50 per hour?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 04:22:07 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:11:33 PM
:blink:

No. What kinda question is that?

If you're getting minimum wage and I'm getting minimum wage it doesn't matter who has more kids. We're both still getting minimum wage.
What kind of question is that???? Here is what you said """I was advocating for a living wage. """ Now if you are advocating for a living wage as you said, then would you pay someone more who has four kids than someone who has no kids? You made the comment on reply 55.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:19:43 PM
What do you think drove manufacturing out of the United States?  It wasn't the weather.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/12/15/restaurants-closing-minimum-wage-increase/

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I knew the guy who owned that restaurant, nice guy, great food, but he couldn't compete with Govt.
Now all those long time employees were forced to find new jobs and he and his entire family as well.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/12/15/restaurants-closing-minimum-wage-increase/
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 04:22:07 PM
What kind of question is that???? Here is what you said """I was advocating for a living wage. """ Now if you are advocating for a living wage as you said, then would you pay someone more who has four kids than someone who has no kids? You made the comment on reply 55.
He forgot he moved the goal post, turned around and ran smack dab right into it! :lol:
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:25:54 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:23:22 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I knew the guy who owned that restaurant, nice guy, great food, but he couldn't compete with Govt.
Now all those long time employees were forced to find new jobs and he and his entire family as well.

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/12/15/restaurants-closing-minimum-wage-increase/

I can't imagine having Joe's mentality.  I think about all the work and sweat that guy must have put into it.  Joe thinks he was going out of business anyway.  Incredible.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:15:44 PM
No, you originally advocated for a living wage!

Now, stop avoiding the  elephant in the room!

You still haven't addressed my point about raising a min wage to a living wage and how it will effect the entry level employee.

Yes. a living wage is enough for 1 person to maintain themselves with a full-time job. How much money do you think that takes?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:25:06 PM
He forgot he moved the goal post, turned around and ran smack dab right into it! :lol:
I'm guessing he's not getting much sleep.  :biggrin: Hope his son turns out to be ultra conservative.  :thumbsup:  Just kidding Joe.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:19:01 PM
So you' re OK with killing off new business? :rolleyes:

New businesses spring up every day.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:29:59 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:19:43 PM
What do you think drove manufacturing out of the United States?  It wasn't the weather.


They're real businesses with real employees, and real business owners.  The disdain for small business by you Bernie guys is unreal.


https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/12/15/restaurants-closing-minimum-wage-increase/





Every one of those businesses in that facesof15 was an established business.


https://conservativehardliner.com/bernies-minimum-wage-dumpster-fire

Wasn't it globalization?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:30:14 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
New businesses spring up every day.

Third time asking: why not raise the minimum wage to $50?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:31:17 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:20:37 PM
Why not raise the minimum wage to $50 per hour?

Who's advocating for that?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:31:17 PM
Who's advocating for that?

Why not?  Wouldn't that work?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 04:33:15 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
Yes. a living wage is enough for 1 person to maintain themselves with a full-time job. How much money do you think that takes?
But that is just the point. A living wage for one FAMILY is not the same as for another family. You do want the government involved, right?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:33:50 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
Yes. a living wage is enough for 1 person to maintain themselves with a full-time job. How much money do you think that takes?
You tell me, you're the one advocating for it.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 04:22:07 PM
What kind of question is that???? Here is what you said """I was advocating for a living wage. """ Now if you are advocating for a living wage as you said, then would you pay someone more who has four kids than someone who has no kids? You made the comment on reply 55.

Try and follow the conversation.

We're currently talking about Minimum Wage for 1 person.

In America, that Minimum Wage is the same no matter how many kids you have.

"Living Wage" is a term that is used to advocate for the raising of the "Minimum Wage", but they're the same thing.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:25:54 PM
I can't imagine having Joe's mentality.  I think about all the work and sweat that guy must have put into it.  Joe thinks he was going out of business anyway.  Incredible.
I'll tell ya, it brings a man to tears to see his life works go down the drain.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
New businesses spring up every day.
Has nothing to do with the government forcing others to shut down.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:33:50 PM
You tell me, you're the one advocating for it.

If I have children, can I increase my living wage?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
New businesses spring up every day.
Really? Tell that to NY and Seattle, they're hemorrhaging business and people.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 04:35:03 PM
Has nothing to do with the government forcing others to shut down.

They're not forced to. They can adapt. Everyone that stays in business does just that.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 04:28:30 PM
I'm guessing he's not getting much sleep.  :biggrin: Hope his son turns out to be ultra conservative.  :thumbsup:  Just kidding Joe.
Probably will, once he figures out how stupid his dads ideas are.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:39:46 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
They're not forced to. They can adapt. Everyone that stays in business does just that.
Wow! That is probably the most ignorant thing you've ever said. :blink:
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:40:31 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:32:34 PM
Why not?  Wouldn't that work?

You tell me. It's your idea. I haven't put any thought into a $50 minimum wage.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:41:25 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 04:39:46 PM
Wow! That is probably the most ignorant thing you've ever said. :blink:

You just beat me to it.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:40:31 PM
You tell me. It's your idea. I haven't put any thought into a $50 minimum wage.

No. I'm asking you why not?  Would that not increase the living wage for everyone?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 16, 2020, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:34:52 PM
Try and follow the conversation.

We're currently talking about Minimum Wage for 1 person.

In America, that Minimum Wage is the same no matter how many kids you have.

"Living Wage" is a term that is used to advocate for the raising of the "Minimum Wage", but they're the same thing.
DUDE, you are the one who brought up LIVING WAGE not me.  Does someone who has four kids deserve more than someone with no kids. Do they deserve a living wage too? Don't get confused, "living wage" is a liberal term used to justify minimum wage hikes, you know as in "everyone deserves a "living wage"".
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:51:24 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
No. I'm asking you why not?  Would that not increase the living wage for everyone?

That's way past a living wage as I've defined it in this thread. Re-read, please
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:52:34 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 16, 2020, 04:45:48 PM
DUDE, you are the one who brought up LIVING WAGE not me.  Does someone who has four kids deserve more than someone with no kids. Do they deserve a living wage too? Don't get confused, "living wage" is a liberal term used to justify minimum wage hikes, you know as in "everyone deserves a "living wage"".

I explained what a living wage is in here already.

Please double-back...
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:53:13 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:51:24 PM
That's way past a living wage as I've defined it in this thread. Re-read, please

You've never defined a living wage.  No Bernie supporter EVER has.  How solid of a foundation can it be if you can't even define it?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:58:54 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 04:53:13 PM
You've never defined a living wage.  No Bernie supporter EVER has.  How solid of a foundation can it be if you can't even define it?

post 66 in here. I'm pretty sure I said it further back too.

I dunno you all are blinded by rage at me and don't read what I say or what...
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:58:54 PM
post 66 in here. I'm pretty sure I said it further back too.

I dunno you all are blinded by rage at me and don't read what I say or what...

That's not a definition.  Please define a livable wage.  This shouldn't be that hard for you if you've thought through this.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:06:27 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 05:04:08 PM
That's not a definition.  Please define a livable wage.  This shouldn't be that hard for you if you've thought through this.

What part of my definition do you not understand?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 05:11:34 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:06:27 PM
What part of my definition do you not understand?

After reading your "definition", I still have no idea what it is.

Again, please give everyone a good definition of what a livable wage is.  How hilarious is it that you advocate for it as a cornerstone for your entire economic world, yet you can't articulate it or even describe what it is.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:14:56 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 05:11:34 PM
After reading your "definition", I still have no idea what it is.

Again, please give everyone a good definition of what a livable wage is.  How hilarious is it that you advocate for it as a cornerstone for your entire economic world, yet you can't articulate it or even describe what it is.

I don't understand what you don't understand.

Read my other explanation in post 50.

It's even got examples and a calculator so you can see how much it is in your area.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 04:58:54 PM
post 66 in here. I'm pretty sure I said it further back too.

I dunno you all are blinded by rage at me and don't read what I say or what...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
No Joe, you're entertaining. :biggrin:

OK, let us address this so called "Living Wage", shall we?
When one factors in car, insurance, rent/house payment, health insurance, food, utilities, essentials, suddenly things get pretty costly, don't they?
So let's round it off to $40 per hour because you still need some money to put aside for emergencies.
Now, all those kids entering the job Mkt won't have a chance at any position, because there won't be any, the employer will be maxed out and looking to cut where he can. He'll start looking at mechanizing his business in hopes of staying afloat.
By setting the wage above the value offered by a low-skill worker, employers will simply elect to not hire low-skill workers. That's Right, why hire someone who has never held a job in his life to one with a proven track record.

OK, so the mkt is maxed out, kids can't enter the labor pool, economy begins to tank, employers are suffering and seek any life preserver available, so they invest heavily in mechanization, further eliminating what few jobs existed.
Are you following here Joe? The govt is killing off the job Mkt just to appease their radical base, that base is you and every nutty Bernie supporter.

Will we ever see a living wage? Of course not! No leftist is that stupid! So then why the cry for a living wage? Division!!!
Yep, we've been trying to tell you, all these crazy ideas were never meant to come to fruition, they were designed to attack American industry as evil.

Hello? Joe, you still believe a "Living Wage" is feasible?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:25:35 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 05:20:28 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
No Joe, you're entertaining. :biggrin:

OK, let us address this so called "Living Wage", shall we?
When one factors in car, insurance, rent/house payment, health insurance, food, utilities, essentials, suddenly things get pretty costly, don't they?
So let's round it off to $40 per hour because you still need some money to put aside for emergencies.
Now, all those kids entering the job Mkt won't have a chance at any position, because there won't be any, the employer will be maxed out and looking to cut where he can. He'll start looking at mechanizing his business in hopes of staying afloat.
By setting the wage above the value offered by a low-skill worker, employers will simply elect to not hire low-skill workers. That's Right, why hire someone who has never held a job in his life to one with a proven track record.

OK, so the mkt is maxed out, kids can't enter the labor pool, economy begins to tank, employers are suffering and seek any life preserver available, so they invest heavily in mechanization, further eliminating what few jobs existed.
Are you following here Joe? The govt is killing off the job Mkt just to appease their radical base, that base is you and every nutty Bernie supporter.

Will we ever see a living wage? Of course not! No leftist is that stupid! So then why the cry for a living wage? Division!!!
Yep, we've been trying to tell you, all these crazy ideas were never meant to come to fruition, they were designed to attack American industry as evil.

Hello? Joe, you still believe a "Living Wage" is feasible?

see post 50 and post 66. I haven't advocated a $40 minimum wage
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 05:33:21 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:14:56 PM
I don't understand what you don't understand.

Read my other explanation in post 50.

It's even got examples and a calculator so you can see how much it is in your area.

Read it. Still don't understand.

You seriously can't define the cornerstone of your entire economic philosophy?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:25:35 PM
see post 50 and post 66. I haven't advocated a $40 minimum wage

Then how much?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:34:13 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 05:33:21 PM
Read it. Still don't understand.

You seriously can't define the cornerstone of your entire economic philosophy?

What part don't you understand?

I'll try and clear it up for you
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:25:35 PM
see post 50 and post 66. I haven't advocated a $40 minimum wage
I never said yo did. I simply grabbed a number that's been bandied about by the left as a balloon starting point.
How about we knock $10 off that, and go with what I wrote, it changes nothing.
What you advocate is Soviet style central planning. You know, where one Soviet Satellite State produces food, while another produces transportation, so no one figure fits all, so this is a rounded figure for all States.
Or are you saying we need to set differing wage amounts around the nation? Then most of the richer States get bumped back up to $40 or higher while States like Idaho and Wyoming get a much lower wage set.
Care to even consider how this effects each State individually?

See, this is the problem with central planning bureaucrats, they literally destroy the economy!
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:44:22 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
I never said yo did. I simply grabbed a number that's been bandied about by the left as a balloon starting point.
How about we knock $10 off that, and go with what I wrote, it changes nothing.
What you advocate is Soviet style central planning. You know, where one Soviet Satellite State produces food, while another produces transportation, so no one figure fits all, so this is a rounded figure for all States.
Or are you saying we need to set differing wage amounts around the nation? Then most of the richer States get bumped back up to $40 or higher while States like Idaho and Wyoming get a much lower wage set.
Care to even consider how this effects each State individually?

See, this is the problem with central planning bureaucrats, they literally destroy the economy!

I've never ever heard anyone advocate for a 30, 40 or 50 dollar minimum wage.

All I ever hear about is a "Fight for 15"

Hell, that $15 thing might even be on the ballot here in Florida.

And, if you've actually been reading my posts, you'll know that I do advocate for States controlling their minimum wages.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:44:22 PM
I've never ever heard anyone advocate for a 30, 40 or 50 dollar minimum wage.

All I ever hear about is a "Fight for 15"

Hell, that $15 thing might even be on the ballot here in Florida.

And, if you've actually been reading my posts, you'll know that I do advocate for States controlling their minimum wages.
Here is where an average $30 an hour comes from.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/19/living-wage-for-a-single-person-in-every-us-state.html

That's it, a living wage calculator, and yes, it was you advocating a living wage. So tell me Joe, how do you libs pull it off without bankrupting the US economy?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 05:53:37 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:34:13 PM
What part don't you understand?

I'll try and clear it up for you
He asked you what you consider a living wage...
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 05:53:37 PM
He asked you what you consider a living wage...

It's clearly defined in posts 50 and 66.  He read them and didn't understand. I'm waiting for his question so I can try to clarify
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 06:10:49 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:58:34 PM
It's clearly defined in posts 50 and 66.  He read them and didn't understand. I'm waiting for his question so I can try to clarify
In the mean time, reply to mine. As I pointed out, there is no one size fits all, so a rounded off $30 per hr is a cover all.
What you are asking Taxed to do is beyond silly, you want him to do your work for you in taking some silly quiz. How about you take it and tell us your results.

Anyway, explain how I'm wrong, in that a living wage would immediately kill our economy if instituted on the US.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:28:03 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 06:10:49 PM
In the mean time, reply to mine. As I pointed out, there is no one size fits all, so a rounded off $30 per hr is a cover all.
What you are asking Taxed to do is beyond silly, you want him to do your work for you in taking some silly quiz. How about you take it and tell us your results.

Anyway, explain how I'm wrong, in that a living wage would immediately kill our economy if instituted on the US.

I disagree. If that were the case we wouldn't be able to fight diseases because everyone is different.

We're all humans, we're all similar enough.

If we know that humans need about 2000 calories per day. We can calculate food expenses for the year.

If we know humans need a roof over their head, we calculate rent expenses, etc.

Post 50 has all that.

the "living wage" varies, from Miami, FL, to Miami, IN, to Guatemala to China to Zimbabwe, to London. but we can definitely come up with a number.

And
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:28:03 PM
I disagree. If that were the case we wouldn't be able to fight diseases because everyone is different.

We're all humans, we're all similar enough.

If we know that humans need about 2000 calories per day. We can calculate food expenses for the year.

If we know humans need a roof over their head, we calculate rent expenses, etc.

Post 50 has all that.

the "living wage" varies, from Miami, FL, to Miami, IN, to Guatemala to China to Zimbabwe, to London. but we can definitely come up with a number.

And
So you're advocating for a Soviet style central planning bureaucracy, Right?
And that's fine, problem is, lets assume they pull this off and raise wages across the US. Guess what happens without price controls in place?
Can't fathom that? OK, costs on every product produced skyrockets to the end consumer because the producer has to make it up due to exorbitant wage increases.
So suddenly that living wage is no longer enough to subsist on is it.

See? There are serious ramifications to govt interference in a free mkt. Do you still think it's such a good idea, or are you going to advocate for price freezes first, which comes with its own economy collapsing side effects.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 05:34:13 PM
What part don't you understand?

I'll try and clear it up for you

Thanks.  The "living wage" part.

What wage is acceptable to you, and how did you arrive at that number?  Please provide your math.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 06:39:28 PM
So you're advocating for a Soviet style central planning bureaucracy, Right?
And that's fine, problem is, lets assume they pull this off and raise wages across the US. Guess what happens without price controls in place?
Can't fathom that? OK, costs on every product produced skyrockets to the end consumer because the producer has to make it up due to exorbitant wage increases.
So suddenly that living wage is no longer enough to subsist on is it.

See? There are serious ramifications to govt interference in a free mkt. Do you still think it's such a good idea, or are you going to advocate for price freezes first, which comes with its own economy collapsing side effects.
I'm advocating for American style central planning. We already set wages.

Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 06:49:13 PM
Thanks.  The "living wage" part.

What wage is acceptable to you, and how did you arrive at that number?  Please provide your math.

A calculator is available in post 50. Play around with it for 1 person in varying cities and you'll see what a good amount is
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 06:52:12 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
I'm advocating for American style central planning. We already set wages.

I'm advocating for a free country.  We should eliminate the minimum wage.  The wage was put in place to kill our manufacturing base.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:53:47 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 06:52:12 PM
I'm advocating for a free country.  We should eliminate the minimum wage.  The wage was put in place to kill our manufacturing base.

Good luck with that. It's been since 1938 that we've had one. You've got an uphill fight with most Americans
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 06:55:45 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:53:47 PM
Good luck with that. It's been since 1938 that we've had one. You've got an uphill fight with most Americans

I don't think so.  People understand minimum wage kills jobs.  They also understand when you eliminate the minimum wage, wages will rise.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 07:00:02 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 16, 2020, 06:55:45 PM
I don't think so.  People understand minimum wage kills jobs.  They also understand when you eliminate the minimum wage, wages will rise.

QuoteThe latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 49% of American Adults believe raising the hourly minimum wage will help the economy, while 30% think it will hurt the economy. Thirteen percent (13%) feel raising the minimum wage will have no impact on the economy. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/jobs_employment/august_2018/do_americans_like_the_idea_of_raising_minimum_wage

:shrug:

fight on, brother...
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: walkstall on January 16, 2020, 07:00:40 PM
So I would like a dog.  Do I get 20$ per hr. so I can have a dog also.   :popcorn:
I will need food for the dog and pay vet bills.  My cat food cost 75$ a bag.   Who will pay for my cat if I only get a living wage for myself?  Remember if I get a dog I will need more money, so the three of us can live with no problems. 
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 16, 2020, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
I'm advocating for American style central planning. We already set wages.
Central planning under any name you choose is Marxist. OK, so now you're advocating for central planning since you were able to set a living wage.
How will you save the economy now that industry had to raise their CODB and passed the increases onto the end purchaser, consumer, what will you do to assure the living wage remains intact?

Point is, every time you adjust one part of the economy, you adversely effect another. So how do you plan on fixing your mistake in screwing up the economy, at this point is collapsing.
You see, whether it's food, or transportation, all costs increase, including our ability to sell our over priced products to other countries.

Now, we not only have a collapsed economy, we can't even sell our own crap because no one wants to pay 10 times the price for something  they can get anywhere else in the world for less.
This is the result of central planning as opposed to the free Mkt setting prices.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: T Hunt on January 16, 2020, 07:13:27 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 07:00:02 PM
:shrug:

fight on, brother...

Wait you actually believe that poll? Sorry to burst your bubble but the vast majority of American voters are pro free market and against socialism or even a mixed system. Just pure capitalism like we have had most of our history.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 16, 2020, 07:30:57 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 07:00:02 PM
:shrug:

fight on, brother...

It's a poll.

Still waiting for your "living wage" definition.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 17, 2020, 03:00:23 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:28:03 PM
I disagree. If that were the case we wouldn't be able to fight diseases because everyone is different.

We're all humans, we're all similar enough.

If we know that humans need about 2000 calories per day. We can calculate food expenses for the year.

If we know humans need a roof over their head, we calculate rent expenses, etc.

Post 50 has all that.

the "living wage" varies, from Miami, FL, to Miami, IN, to Guatemala to China to Zimbabwe, to London. but we can definitely come up with a number.

And
And so, does the man with four kids get a bigger roof, more food ect. In other words how much will your plan screw the American taxpayer. Funny how you brag that your father in law had a choice to cut labor expenses but you do not want that choice given to the business man.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2020, 04:32:29 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 17, 2020, 03:00:23 AM
And so, does the man with four kids get a bigger roof, more food ect. In other words how much will your plan screw the American taxpayer. Funny how you brag that your father in law had a choice to cut labor expenses but you do not want that choice given to the business man.
It all depends, are they party elite or poor working slobs? Joe actually thinks that a Marxist system is somehow for the people.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 17, 2020, 05:07:28 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 17, 2020, 04:32:29 AM
It all depends, are they party elite or poor working slobs? Joe actually thinks that a Marxist system is somehow for the people.
He has a lot in common with the socialist running for president. Warren also can not give answers for how she is going to pay for all the free crap she is proposing. Warren claimed "the money will be there", I guess by magic. Beernie does not even care to explain how this will get paid for, he just drools about millionaires and billionaires while he rakes it in. Even in todays economy, which is great proof that capitalism works in every country where it is implemented, liberals see the only way is socialism. Falls back on nobody is responsible.

Don't need to apply yourself, big government will take care of you. Don't need the 2nd, big government will take care of you, don't need a daddy, big government will take care of you. We have seen their dream world, san francisco, it is the perfect example what liberal policies will accomplish. And still there are those who push that this is how we should all live. Thank God socilaist in this country are a small minority, vocal, but small, existing only because there are enough stupid people who think they deserve all the free goodies being promised.

Ever notice how all of those freebies are only discussed around election time? Makes as much sense as those who pay NO taxes complaining that tax cuts only go to the rich. I do not think those who are following the socialist bull crap really want to see the downfall of this country, I think they do not want the responsibility of taking care of themselves and want the government as a safety net, after all, someone should be able to flip burgers and have a great lifestyle, right? But for those preaching this crap, they should know better, like we discussed before, do they hate the U.S. that much to see it go down the same road as Venezuela?

When all are living in shacks, but equal shacks, will that be their dream world? Hell, lets take ambition out of the dictionary so we don't offend anyone. One of my goals was early retirement, did it, so I guess I am one of the evil ones because I did it on my own? Hey Joe, here's one more question for you to not answer, how will these people on "living wage" which is just another way of saying welfare, know when they are retired?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2020, 05:29:09 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 17, 2020, 05:07:28 AM
He has a lot in common with the socialist running for president. Warren also can not give answers for how she is going to pay for all the free crap she is proposing. Warren claimed "the money will be there", I guess by magic. Beernie does not even care to explain how this will get paid for, he just drools about millionaires and billionaires while he rakes it in. Even in todays economy, which is great proof that capitalism works in every country where it is implemented, liberals see the only way is socialism. Falls back on nobody is responsible.

Don't need to apply yourself, big government will take care of you. Don't need the 2nd, big government will take care of you, don't need a daddy, big government will take care of you. We have seen their dream world, san francisco, it is the perfect example what liberal policies will accomplish. And still there are those who push that this is how we should all live. Thank God socilaist in this country are a small minority, vocal, but small, existing only because there are enough stupid people who think they deserve all the free goodies being promised.

Ever notice how all of those freebies are only discussed around election time? Makes as much sense as those who pay NO taxes complaining that tax cuts only go to the rich. I do not think those who are following the socialist bull crap really want to see the downfall of this country, I think they do not want the responsibility of taking care of themselves and want the government as a safety net, after all, someone should be able to flip burgers and have a great lifestyle, right? But for those preaching this crap, they should know better, like we discussed before, do they hate the U.S. that much to see it go down the same road as Venezuela?

When all are living in shacks, but equal shacks, will that be their dream world? Hell, lets take ambition out of the dictionary so we don't offend anyone. One of my goals was early retirement, did it, so I guess I am one of the evil ones because I did it on my own? Hey Joe, here's one more question for you to not answer, how will these people on "living wage" which is just another way of saying welfare, know when they are retired?
True, they always campaign about free shit, then when elected, go about the process of enriching themselves while destroying the country.
The GOPe are equally guilty, they run to the right claiming they'll protect the Constitution all the while helping the dim party further erode our Freedom and liberties.

I think Joe gets it all, I think he is one of those that bought the lie that America is evil because we're exploitative Capitalists. We're inherently evil and must be destroyed at all costs.
It's called European envy.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 17, 2020, 05:29:39 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
I'm advocating for American style central planning. We already set wages.
A job is only worth what someone is willing to pay. If a businessman is forced to pay more, it now becomes a burden on the businessman. Too much burden and there will be either higher prices or go out of business. How does this help anyone other than the person receiving the gift? Why don't we really help him out and set low prices for rent and food and transportation and clothes and medical care and everything else this person needs, after all the rest of us can pay for it right? Is this your dream place?????
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 06:36:25 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 17, 2020, 03:00:23 AM
And so, does the man with four kids get a bigger roof, more food ect. In other words how much will your plan screw the American taxpayer. Funny how you brag that your father in law had a choice to cut labor expenses but you do not want that choice given to the business man.

I answered that question for you in post 75
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 17, 2020, 06:37:42 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 06:36:25 AM
I answered that question for you in post 75
No you did not, try again.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 06:39:29 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 17, 2020, 05:29:39 AM
A job is only worth what someone is willing to pay. If a businessman is forced to pay more, it now becomes a burden on the businessman. Too much burden and there will be either higher prices or go out of business. How does this help anyone other than the person receiving the gift? Why don't we really help him out and set low prices for rent and food and transportation and clothes and medical care and everything else this person needs, after all the rest of us can pay for it right? Is this your dream place?????

or nothing at all as in the case of Taco Bell. They might make lower profits but don't have to raise prices and wouldn't be in danger of going out of business.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 06:39:50 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 17, 2020, 06:37:42 AM
No you did not, try again.

Re-read it. You seem confused
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 17, 2020, 06:55:08 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 06:39:29 AM
or nothing at all as in the case of Taco Bell. They might make lower profits but don't have to raise prices and wouldn't be in danger of going out of business.
When profits get too low they go out of business. When profits go too low you take away expansion. When profits go too low you take away investors. Joe, I have to say for once I have met someone who can not see how business works. Nothing is free, if you are going to pay for a job more than it is worth, it is a form of welfare and SOMEONE has to pay for it.  You bragged that your father in law was able to side step the high cost of putting on a roof, yet you want a business man to be forced to pay more than a job is worth. That's not confusion, that is being a hypocrite.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 07:03:13 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 17, 2020, 06:55:08 AM
When profits get too low they go out of business. When profits go too low you take away expansion. When profits go too low you take away investors. Joe, I have to say for once I have met someone who can not see how business works. Nothing is free, if you are going to pay for a job more than it is worth, it is a form of welfare and SOMEONE has to pay for it.  You bragged that your father in law was able to side step the high cost of putting on a roof, yet you want a business man to be forced to pay more than a job is worth. That's not confusion, that is being a hypocrite.

Why do roofers/construction workers do freelance work?

Because they get paid more for it than by working directly with their companies. I know. I've asked plenty of guys and I get most all my work done that way.

Maybe the business man should pay his employees more so that they don't undercut him. Or provide benefits or something...

Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 17, 2020, 07:09:53 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 07:03:13 AM
Why do roofers/construction workers do freelance work?

Because they get paid more for it than by working directly with their companies. I know. I've asked plenty of guys and I get most all my work done that way.

Maybe the business man should pay his employees more so that they don't undercut him. Or provide benefits or something...
There are jobs out there that are all over the pay scale. Want a job that pays $50 an hour, its out there. You might have to better yourself to get it, more education, better work skills, or just get better at your job. That is how the system works. What you are wanting is nothing more than welfare. Good bye Joe, wish you luck. That world you want is out there in other countries where the government controls everything, wages, prices, rent, medical care. You just need to go find it.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 17, 2020, 07:09:53 AM
There are jobs out there that are all over the pay scale. Want a job that pays $50 an hour, its out there. You might have to better yourself to get it, more education, better work skills, or just get better at your job. That is how the system works. What you are wanting is nothing more than welfare. Good bye Joe, wish you luck. That world you want is out there in other countries where the government controls everything, wages, prices, rent, medical care. You just need to go find it.

Good day. Good conversation.

but just an FYI: that place is already America. The governments (federal, state, and local) here already does all of that to some degree.

I'll leave it at that
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: supsalemgr on January 17, 2020, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 07:03:13 AM
Why do roofers/construction workers do freelance work?

Because they get paid more for it than by working directly with their companies. I know. I've asked plenty of guys and I get most all my work done that way.

Maybe the business man should pay his employees more so that they don't undercut him. Or provide benefits or something...

If what you state is the case, why do these folks not start their own businesses?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: walkstall on January 17, 2020, 08:26:24 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 17, 2020, 08:04:05 AM
If what you state is the case, why do these folks not start their own businesses?

I think it is called some money under the table.   Also most of these folks will not gave a finishing date for a project.  Always have start and finish date for work being done. 
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2020, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 07:23:34 AM
Good day. Good conversation.

but just an FYI: that place is already America. The governments (federal, state, and local) here already does all of that to some degree.

I'll leave it at that
Not so fast, you don't just dismiss everyone and run off after coming out for a Marxist system, not on this forum, you don't.

I gave you two examples of what you're advocating, I want to know how you plan to make this BS work.

Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 06:39:28 PM
So you're advocating for a Soviet style central planning bureaucracy, Right?
And that's fine, problem is, lets assume they pull this off and raise wages across the US. Guess what happens without price controls in place?
Can't fathom that? OK, costs on every product produced skyrockets to the end consumer because the producer has to make it up due to exorbitant wage increases.
So suddenly that living wage is no longer enough to subsist on is it.

See? There are serious ramifications to govt interference in a free mkt. Do you still think it's such a good idea, or are you going to advocate for price freezes first, which comes with its own economy collapsing side effects.

Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 07:07:37 PM
Central planning under any name you choose is Marxist. OK, so now you're advocating for central planning since you were able to set a living wage.
How will you save the economy now that industry had to raise their CODB and passed the increases onto the end purchaser, consumer, what will you do to assure the living wage remains intact?

Point is, every time you adjust one part of the economy, you adversely effect another. So how do you plan on fixing your mistake in screwing up the economy, at this point is collapsing.
You see, whether it's food, or transportation, all costs increase, including our ability to sell our over priced products to other countries.

Now, we not only have a collapsed economy, we can't even sell our own crap because no one wants to pay 10 times the price for something  they can get anywhere else in the world for less.
This is the result of central planning as opposed to the free Mkt setting prices.


Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 17, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 17, 2020, 10:56:56 AM
Not so fast, you don't just dismiss everyone and run off after coming out for a Marxist system, not on this forum, you don't.

I gave you two examples of what you're advocating, I want to know how you plan to make this BS work.
He is after the plan, having it work doesn't matter. Using the liberal paradise, San Fransisco, it does not matter that people are sleeping in the streets, crapping on the side walk, liberals are in charge of the city and the state. You can line up 10 capitalist countries and compare them to 10 socialist countries and see which system works and which system does not. Does not matter, the plan is more important than what works. I watch from a distance,, but Austin if full of his kind of thinking. Property taxes are driving out the young families, here is one of the fastest growing places in the U.S. and Austin has to close schools due to lack of kids. Families can not afford to pay the taxes, and yet they vote for every damn bond issue like "light rail" that comes up because it is for a good liberal cause.  The citizens of Austin will bitch and moan about their property taxes, and then vote in another liberal council. There is a lot in this world that can be fixed, being and acting stupid will not get it done.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: supsalemgr on January 17, 2020, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 17, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
He is after the plan, having it work doesn't matter. Using the liberal paradise, San Fransisco, it does not matter that people are sleeping in the streets, crapping on the side walk, liberals are in charge of the city and the state. You can line up 10 capitalist countries and compare them to 10 socialist countries and see which system works and which system does not. Does not matter, the plan is more important than what works. I watch from a distance,, but Austin if full of his kind of thinking. Property taxes are driving out the young families, here is one of the fastest growing places in the U.S. and Austin has to close schools due to lack of kids. Families can not afford to pay the taxes, and yet they vote for every damn bond issue like "light rail" that comes up because it is for a good liberal cause.  The citizens of Austin will bitch and moan about their property taxes, and then vote in another liberal council. There is a lot in this world that can be fixed, being and acting stupid will not get it done.

Just to add a little humor to this thread. Allegiant Air has just announced new direct flights between Asheville and Austin. Now one can fly from San Francisco East to San Francisco Southwest without changing planes.  :smile:
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 17, 2020, 11:55:40 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 17, 2020, 11:46:48 AM
Just to add a little humor to this thread. Allegiant Air has just announced new direct flights between Asheville and Austin. Now one can fly from San Francisco East to San Francisco Southwest without changing planes.  :smile:
Wonder if that airline has indoor plumbing? I don't think Austin or San Fransisco have indoor plumbing downtown.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2020, 11:58:04 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 17, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
He is after the plan, having it work doesn't matter. Using the liberal paradise, San Fransisco, it does not matter that people are sleeping in the streets, crapping on the side walk, liberals are in charge of the city and the state. You can line up 10 capitalist countries and compare them to 10 socialist countries and see which system works and which system does not. Does not matter, the plan is more important than what works. I watch from a distance,, but Austin if full of his kind of thinking. Property taxes are driving out the young families, here is one of the fastest growing places in the U.S. and Austin has to close schools due to lack of kids. Families can not afford to pay the taxes, and yet they vote for every damn bond issue like "light rail" that comes up because it is for a good liberal cause.  The citizens of Austin will bitch and moan about their property taxes, and then vote in another liberal council. There is a lot in this world that can be fixed, being and acting stupid will not get it done.
Libs refuse to recognize history. People ran from the Bolsheviks for good reason.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 17, 2020, 12:41:00 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 06:36:25 AM
I answered that question for you in post 75

Still waiting on your living wage definition.  "Just make muh comfy" isn't a definition.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2020, 12:43:11 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 17, 2020, 12:41:00 PM
Still waiting on your living wage definition.  "Just make muh comfy" isn't a definition.
Ya gotta luv that "Cradle To Grave" bull shit!
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 17, 2020, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 07:03:13 AM
Why do roofers/construction workers do freelance work?
Because there's an abundance of them because of the insane workers' compensation requirements.

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Because they get paid more for it than by working directly with their companies.
Because of the extra employment costs.

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I know. I've asked plenty of guys and I get most all my work done that way.
I know, because I lived it as a business owner.  You don't know what workers' compensation is.

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Maybe the business man should pay his employees more so that they don't undercut him. Or provide benefits or something...
Maybe the employee should work for less.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2020, 12:55:53 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 17, 2020, 12:47:13 PM
Because there's an abundance of them because of the insane workers' compensation requirements.
Because of the extra employment costs.
I know, because I lived it as a business owner.  You don't know what workers' compensation is.
Maybe the employee should work for less.
He blames NY and Seattle business closings because they were on the verge of closing anyway, thing is, as you point out, workers comp is a killer of many jobs.
An employer has to consider the cost when making new hires, it's not as if his only expense is paying them a wage, there is a ton of paperwork involved, investment in a new hire, workers comp is very expensive. The owner takes all the risk, and here the govt comes in and ups the wage?
How is it possible for libs to grasp the fact that pulling 15% profit can be a good thing, but raise Min Wage 30%, and they blame the business for being poorly run.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 17, 2020, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 17, 2020, 12:55:53 PM
He blames NY and Seattle business closings because they were on the verge of closing anyway, thing is, as you point out, workers comp is a killer of many jobs.
An employer has to consider the cost when making new hires, it's not as if his only expense is paying them a wage, there is a ton of paperwork involved, investment in a new hire, workers comp is very expensive. The owner takes all the risk, and here the govt comes in and ups the wage?
How is it possible for libs to grasp the fact that pulling 15% profit can be a good thing, but raise Min Wage 30%, and they blame the business for being poorly run.  :rolleyes:

This is why I absolutely despise Bernie supporters.  Their complete disdain for business owners is beyond pathetic and anti-American.  Someone works hard on a business, gets financing together, probably gets money from family member and loved ones, creates a few jobs, builds a brand with the community and a reputation, probably seen servers come in young and go off to college and the work place, spent countless nights running the registers and crunching the numbers, negotiating with suppliers......

and one day they have to close because of a mandated law that is put in place to kill business.  Joe says "oh well, they're just a restaurant and they would have gone out of business anyway".

What a disgusting piece of shit.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 17, 2020, 02:05:24 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 17, 2020, 01:14:37 PM
This is why I absolutely despise Bernie supporters.  Their complete disdain for business owners is beyond pathetic and anti-American.  Someone works hard on a business, gets financing together, probably gets money from family member and loved ones, creates a few jobs, builds a brand with the community and a reputation, probably seen servers come in young and go off to college and the work place, spent countless nights running the registers and crunching the numbers, negotiating with suppliers......

and one day they have to close because of a mandated law that is put in place to kill business.  Joe says "oh well, they're just a restaurant and they would have gone out of business anyway".

What a disgusting piece of shit.
Exactly!!! The nights of staying awake trying to figure out a way to increase traffic, how to eek out a few bucks for advertising, anything that might save a few bucks.
What these idiots fail to understand is, it effects more than one business and a few employees and their families, it effects suppliers as well, they too have to make up for the loss as well.
The impact sends shock waves and when you have several closing in one community, everyone takes a hit, with the exception of the rich libs who are never affected.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: admin on January 18, 2020, 04:42:16 AM
No Joe, no new threads till you finish this one.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 17, 2020, 07:23:34 AM
Good day. Good conversation.

but just an FYI: that place is already America. The governments (federal, state, and local) here already does all of that to some degree.

I'll leave it at that
You don't just dismiss everyone and run off after coming out for a Marxist system, not on this forum, you don't.

I gave you two examples of what you're advocating, I want to know how you plan to make this BS work.

Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 06:39:28 PM
So you're advocating for a Soviet style central planning bureaucracy, Right?
And that's fine, problem is, lets assume they pull this off and raise wages across the US. Guess what happens without price controls in place?
Can't fathom that? OK, costs on every product produced skyrockets to the end consumer because the producer has to make it up due to exorbitant wage increases.
So suddenly that living wage is no longer enough to subsist on is it.

See? There are serious ramifications to govt interference in a free mkt. Do you still think it's such a good idea, or are you going to advocate for price freezes first, which comes with its own economy collapsing side effects.

Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 07:07:37 PM
Central planning under any name you choose is Marxist. OK, so now you're advocating for central planning since you were able to set a living wage.
How will you save the economy now that industry had to raise their CODB and passed the increases onto the end purchaser, consumer, what will you do to assure the living wage remains intact?

Point is, every time you adjust one part of the economy, you adversely effect another. So how do you plan on fixing your mistake in screwing up the economy, at this point is collapsing.
You see, whether it's food, or transportation, all costs increase, including our ability to sell our over priced products to other countries.

Now, we not only have a collapsed economy, we can't even sell our own crap because no one wants to pay 10 times the price for something  they can get anywhere else in the world for less.
This is the result of central planning as opposed to the free Mkt setting prices.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 05:47:01 AM
This thread is 10 pages long and you guys stopped acknowledging my responses.

You won't accept my replies.

The conversation is done. It was fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: walkstall on January 18, 2020, 06:19:22 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 05:47:01 AM
This thread is 10 pages long and you guys stopped acknowledging my responses.

You won't accept my replies.

The conversation is done. It was fun while it lasted.

I would say you ended the conversation some time back when you would  not come out and answer questions put to you by more then one poster.   But you had no problems dance all over the place.   Solar is being nice if it were me I give you a two week time out this time. 
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 18, 2020, 06:25:53 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 05:47:01 AM
This thread is 10 pages long and you guys stopped acknowledging my responses.

You won't accept my replies.

The conversation is done. It was fun while it lasted.
I accepted your replies which is why I asked more questions you decided to ignore.
You do know the point of this "Discussion" forum, Right?
So I guess if you no longer want to discuss, there there's no point in you continuing, Right?
What's it going to be Joe?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 06:49:30 AM
Quote from: walkstall on January 18, 2020, 06:19:22 AM
I would say you ended the conversation some time back when you would  not come out and answer questions put to you by more then one poster.   But you had no problems dance all over the place.   Solar is being nice if it were me I give you a two week time out this time.

Those questions were answered in previous posts, which I cited.

Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 06:54:17 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2020, 06:25:53 AM
I accepted your replies which is why I asked more questions you decided to ignore.
You do know the point of this "Discussion" forum, Right?
So I guess if you no longer want to discuss, there there's no point in you continuing, Right?
What's it going to be Joe?

What question do you have for me? You want me to predict the future of the economy with a minimum wage increase?

Well, 22 states are doing that this year...let's just wait and see how it goes.

18 increased it last year...18 year before...

No need to guess. It's happening.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wage-chart.aspx
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 18, 2020, 07:57:30 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 06:54:17 AM
What question do you have for me? You want me to predict the future of the economy with a minimum wage increase?

Well, 22 states are doing that this year...let's just wait and see how it goes.

18 increased it last year...18 year before...

No need to guess. It's happening.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wage-chart.aspx
Right here, where you made a statement which I challenged you on, and you ran away.

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
I'm advocating for American style central planning. We already set wages.

I then stated:
Central planning under any name you choose is Marxist. OK, so now you're advocating for central planning since you were able to set a living wage.
How will you save the economy now that industry had to raise their CODB and passed the increases onto the end purchaser, consumer, what will you do to assure the living wage remains intact?

Point is, every time you adjust one part of the economy, you adversely effect another. So how do you plan on fixing your mistake in screwing up the economy, at this point is collapsing.
You see, whether it's food, or transportation, all costs increase, including our ability to sell our over priced products to other countries.

Now, we not only have a collapsed economy, we can't even sell our own crap because no one wants to pay 10 times the price for something  they can get anywhere else in the world for less.
This is the result of central planning as opposed to the free Mkt setting prices.


How do you reconcile your Marxist plan of central planning and a collapsed economy, how would you resuscitate a collapsed economy?
My point is, you don't grasp the consequences of your advocacy, you refuse to accept the teachings of history, where communism has never worked. Why do you think it can work under Bernie?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 08:11:49 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2020, 07:57:30 AM
Right here, where you made a statement which I challenged you on, and you ran away.

I then stated:
Central planning under any name you choose is Marxist. OK, so now you're advocating for central planning since you were able to set a living wage.
How will you save the economy now that industry had to raise their CODB and passed the increases onto the end purchaser, consumer, what will you do to assure the living wage remains intact?

Point is, every time you adjust one part of the economy, you adversely effect another. So how do you plan on fixing your mistake in screwing up the economy, at this point is collapsing.
You see, whether it's food, or transportation, all costs increase, including our ability to sell our over priced products to other countries.

Now, we not only have a collapsed economy, we can't even sell our own crap because no one wants to pay 10 times the price for something  they can get anywhere else in the world for less.
This is the result of central planning as opposed to the free Mkt setting prices.


How do you reconcile your Marxist plan of central planning and a collapsed economy, how would you resuscitate a collapsed economy?
My point is, you don't grasp the consequences of your advocacy, you refuse to accept the teachings of history, where communism has never worked. Why do you think it can work under Bernie?

I don't understand how you're making that leap. We've had minimum wage in this country (i.e. American style central planning) since 1938

What has it wrought on out economy? We're the wealthiest country on earth.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 18, 2020, 08:30:06 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 08:11:49 AM
I don't understand how you're making that leap. We've had minimum wage in this country (i.e. American style central planning) since 1938

What has it wrought on out economy? We're the wealthiest country on earth.
Stop moving the goal posts!
You stated:

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
I'm advocating for American style central planning. We already set wages.
You admitted they already set wages, but Central Planning goes far beyond simply setting wages and you know that, or you wouldn't have said it.
So back to my question, how would you reconcile destroying the economy with your "Living Wage. I won't repeat what I've already posted in how central planning always destroys, never helps!
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 18, 2020, 08:35:28 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 08:11:49 AM
I don't understand how you're making that leap. We've had minimum wage in this country (i.e. American style central planning) since 1938

What has it wrought on out economy? We're the wealthiest country on earth.
Damn Joe, we have never had a minimum wage that could remotely be called a living wage. It was not supposed to be. Now you advocate moving the damn goal posts but will not acknowledge that it will place an undue burden on small businesses which are the backbone of the country.

You brag that your father in law did not have to pay full retail to get his roof done, a businessman does not have that luxury, those men your father in law used did not pay for health insurance for workers or social security for the workers or pay for workers comp or insurance for company property, or the damn bills  ect. Are you getting the picture yet? Almost no one works for minimum wage, yet those who do always have the option to better themselves to get a better job. What in the sam hell is wrong with that? Why does anyone need the damn government to get payed more.

Your damn bernie can not make the United States better, he wants to take away the system that made him rich by taxing the hell out of anyone who makes and saves money. Warren not only wants to tax what you earn but also what you have saved, she wants to tax your wealth. There is nothing wrong with making a profit, that is why people invest their money into other businesses, that is how you create more jobs.

By the way, we are the wealthiest country in spite of the government not because of it.



   
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2020, 08:30:06 AM
Stop moving the goal posts!
You stated:
You admitted they already set wages, but Central Planning goes far beyond simply setting wages and you know that, or you wouldn't have said it.
So back to my question, how would you reconcile destroying the economy with your "Living Wage. I won't repeat what I've already posted in how central planning always destroys, never helps!

I thought by Central Planning you meant setting wages.

See ..you moved the goal posts and I didn't follow ...

I'm advocating for increasing the minimum wage.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 18, 2020, 08:35:28 AM
Damn Joe, we have never had a minimum wage that could remotely be called a living wage. It was not supposed to be. Now you advocate moving the damn goal posts but will not acknowledge that it will place an undue burden on small businesses which are the backbone of the country.

You brag that your father in law did not have to pay full retail to get his roof done, a businessman does not have that luxury, those men your father in law used did not pay for health insurance for workers or social security for the workers or pay for workers comp or insurance for company property, or the damn bills  ect. Are you getting the picture yet? Almost no one works for minimum wage, yet those who do always have the option to better themselves to get a better job. What in the sam hell is wrong with that? Why does anyone need the damn government to get payed more.

Your damn bernie can not make the United States better, he wants to take away the system that made him rich by taxing the hell out of anyone who makes and saves money. Warren not only wants to tax what you earn but also what you have saved, she wants to tax your wealth. There is nothing wrong with making a profit, that is why people invest their money into other businesses, that is how you create more jobs.

By the way, we are the wealthiest country in spite of the government not because of it.





That's not true.

Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 18, 2020, 10:57:53 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
That's not true.
Then when.

https://www.quora.com/Were-minimum-wages-ever-intended-to-be-a-living-wage

Good article.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 11:16:44 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 18, 2020, 10:57:53 AM
Then when.


we covered this early on...see post 21 in this thread.

Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 18, 2020, 10:57:53 AM
Then when.

https://www.quora.com/Were-minimum-wages-ever-intended-to-be-a-living-wage

Good article.

many of the responses make my point...
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 18, 2020, 11:28:47 AM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 11:19:25 AM
many of the responses make my point...
This one right here says different

"If minimum wage was meant to be a "living wage" it would not be done at the national level. It would be based on local economies. A living wage in Fruithurst, Alabama is a vastly different number than San Francisco, California."

Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 18, 2020, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 17, 2020, 12:41:00 PM
Still waiting on your living wage definition.  "Just make muh comfy" isn't a definition.

Still waiting....
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 01:33:08 PM
Still waiting....

No you're not. I've posted it. What part of my definition don't you understand?

read posts 21, 32, 50, 55, 66 (probably the easiest one for you to understand), 75 (if you need additional clarification).

Let me know what isn't clear after reading those explanations
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 18, 2020, 01:58:23 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 01:47:59 PM
No you're not. I've posted it. What part of my definition don't you understand?

read posts 21, 32, 50, 55, 66 (probably the easiest one for you to understand), 75 (if you need additional clarification).

Let me know what isn't clear after reading those explanations

No you haven't.  "make muh comfy" isn't a definition.

Provide a definition of a living wage, please.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 02:29:28 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 01:58:23 PM
No you haven't.  "make muh comfy" isn't a definition.

Provide a definition of a living wage, please.

It's provided. And there's even a calculator in the post to see how much it would be in any metro area. MIT also has their own calculator for it as well...

"make muh comfy" are your words, not mine.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 18, 2020, 03:35:02 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 02:29:28 PM
It's provided. And there's even a calculator in the post to see how much it would be in any metro area. MIT also has their own calculator for it as well...

"make muh comfy" are your words, not mine.

You have not defined it.  For the 5th time, define it.  You're willing to put businesses out of business and people out of work, so please define.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 18, 2020, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 10:14:00 AM
I thought by Central Planning you meant setting wages.

See ..you moved the goal posts and I didn't follow ...

I'm advocating for increasing the minimum wage.
You know good and well what it means, that's why you avoided my post!
Your dancing is gettin old!
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 03:35:02 PM
You have not defined it.  For the 5th time, define it.  You're willing to put businesses out of business and people out of work, so please define.

What part of my posts that I cited did you not understand? I want to try and get on the same page...


Maybe if I understood how you defined "minimum wage" I'll know better what kind of answer you're looking for.

How would you define "minimum wage"?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 04:19:53 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2020, 03:57:24 PM
You know good and well what it means, that's why you avoided my post!
Your dancing is gettin old!

I never avoided your post. I didn't know you were going down the rabbit hole of "Central Planning". I thought we were talking about minimum wage (as set by the government), not government as a whole.

If you hadn't shifted the conversation that misunderstanding wouldn't have occurred
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: walkstall on January 18, 2020, 04:22:01 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 10:14:00 AM
I thought by Central Planning you meant setting wages.

See ..you moved the goal posts and I didn't follow ...

I'm advocating for increasing the minimum wage.

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Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 18, 2020, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 04:18:26 PM
What part of my posts that I cited did you not understand? I want to try and get on the same page...
On every post on living wage, you have not defined it and I'm more confused than before reading.

Quote
Maybe if I understood how you defined "minimum wage" I'll know better what kind of answer you're looking for.

How would you define "minimum wage"?
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The minimum per-hour wage set by law, either federally or by a state.


Here are several question that may help you arrive at your definition that no human has ever been able to define:

1. Why is a worker not responsible for their own standard of living?

2. Why does the viability of a business providing the job take a back seat to what you perceive the appropriate standard of living to be for the worker?

3. How is your wisdom of what a wage should be greater than that of nature?  To put another way, why is it not fair for a brain surgeon to have a better standard of living than someone who's only viable skill is jacking off a latte machine?

4. Why is a mutual agreement of a wage between employer and employee unfair?




Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 05:03:49 PM
On every post on living wage, you have not defined it and I'm more confused than before reading.

How would you define "minimum wage"?


The minimum per-hour wage set by law, either federally or by a state.


Here are several question that may help you arrive at your definition that no human has ever been able to define:

1. Why is a worker not responsible for their own standard of living?

2. Why does the viability of a business providing the job take a back seat to what you perceive the appropriate standard of living to be for the worker?

3. How is your wisdom of what a wage should be greater than that of nature?  To put another way, why is it not fair for a brain surgeon to have a better standard of living than someone who's only viable skill is jacking off a latte machine?

4. Why is a mutual agreement of a wage between employer and employee unfair?

Ok. So. Like post 21 says...

In 1968, the minimum wage for most workers was $1.60 an hour. An employee working at that rate for 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, would have earned $3,328. That was above the poverty thresholds that year for a three person-household: $2,817 annually for a home headed by a man and $2,516 for a home headed by a woman.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/01/17/2020-00858/annual-update-of-the-hhs-poverty-guidelines




I consider the 1968 minimum wage to be a living wage. Today, that would be the equivalent to $10.44

That'd be a living wage.

Do you understand now?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 18, 2020, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 05:17:14 PM
Ok. So. Like post 21 says...

In 1968, the minimum wage for most workers was $1.60 an hour. An employee working at that rate for 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, would have earned $3,328. That was above the poverty thresholds that year for a three person-household: $2,817 annually for a home headed by a man and $2,516 for a home headed by a woman.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/01/17/2020-00858/annual-update-of-the-hhs-poverty-guidelines




I consider the 1968 minimum wage to be a living wage. Today, that would be the equivalent to $10.44

That'd be a living wage.

Do you understand now?

No.  You can live on less, which would allow for more people to get jobs.  Why would a person not be able to work for less if they're not worth it?  How is below poverty not "livable"?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 06:05:51 PM
No.  You can live on less, which would allow for more people to get jobs.  Why would a person not be able to work for less if they're not worth it?  How is below poverty not "livable"?

Yes. You can live on less. You can live on no income at all. I see homeless people on the street so I know it's possible. I guess you're right. It can stay how it is and those people can keep qualifying for other government assistance.

Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Sick Of Silence on January 18, 2020, 06:46:14 PM
Why are we still arguing about how much we get paid? It's how much we have to pay out (taxes, cost of living, etc).

Define living wage. Seems to me like having necessities like an apartment, basic transportation, basic clothing, and food is living. Do you expect people on minimum wage to live high on the hog?
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 06:54:17 PM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on January 18, 2020, 06:46:14 PM
Why are we still arguing about how much we get paid? It's how much we have to pay out (taxes, cost of living, etc).

Define living wage. Seems to me like having necessities like an apartment, basic transportation, basic clothing, and food is living. Do you expect people on minimum wage to live high on the hog?

Nope. I define it exactly as you do. go up about 3 posts and you'll see.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: walkstall on January 18, 2020, 08:06:20 PM
Quote from: joesixpack on January 18, 2020, 06:54:17 PM
Nope. I define it exactly as you do. go up about 3 posts and you'll see.

Learn to quote posts so someone don't have to go looking for a post.   That is one of the quote function that your not using.  Poster should not need to go looking for a post, if you use the quote functions.  There is no reason for someone to go looking for a post when you can quote it.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: taxed on January 18, 2020, 08:07:54 PM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on January 18, 2020, 06:46:14 PM
Why are we still arguing about how much we get paid? It's how much we have to pay out (taxes, cost of living, etc).

Define living wage. Seems to me like having necessities like an apartment, basic transportation, basic clothing, and food is living. Do you expect people on minimum wage to live high on the hog?

Maybe you'll have more success with him.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: walkstall on January 18, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: taxed on January 18, 2020, 08:07:54 PM
Maybe you'll have more success with him.

He is hear to push his own agenda.  Burnes sanders presidential campaign.
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 19, 2020, 03:32:59 AM
Quote from: walkstall on January 18, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
He is hear to push his own agenda.  Burnes sanders presidential campaign.
Here is bernies agenda sumed up:

I think there are some people who make too much money, I think there are some people who have too much money, I know how to spend their money better than they do. I will take their money they earned and give others who did not earn it free college, free health care for Americans and EVERYONE WHO CROSSES THE BORDER, forgive student loan debt, enforce the new green deal. I will demand small businesses regardless of their financial situation to pay at least $15 an hour.

Bernies plan will cost you $60 Trillion.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/bernie-sanders-plan-for-free-stuff-would-cost-at-least-60-trillion/

Pull that much out of the working peoples pockets and watch business fold. Or do some people think the money is just there?


Joe, this one is for you.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/bernie-sanders-the-bum-who-wants-your-money/

My favorite part:  ""The choice in this election is shaping up to be a very clear one. It will likely boil down to a battle between those who create and produce wealth, and those who take it and redistribute it.""

Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 19, 2020, 06:18:44 AM
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
I never said yo did. I simply grabbed a number that's been bandied about by the left as a balloon starting point.
How about we knock $10 off that, and go with what I wrote, it changes nothing.
What you advocate is Soviet style central planning. You know, where one Soviet Satellite State produces food, while another produces transportation, so no one figure fits all, so this is a rounded figure for all States.
Or are you saying we need to set differing wage amounts around the nation? Then most of the richer States get bumped back up to $40 or higher while States like Idaho and Wyoming get a much lower wage set.
Care to even consider how this effects each State individually?

See, this is the problem with central planning bureaucrats, they literally destroy the economy!

Then you claim:

Quote from: joesixpack on January 16, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
I'm advocating for American style central planning. We already set wages.

There is absolutely no difference, Central Planning is a Marxist concept, Period!!!
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 19, 2020, 06:23:54 AM
Quote from: s3779m on January 19, 2020, 03:32:59 AM
Here is bernies agenda sumed up:

I think there are some people who make too much money, I think there are some people who have too much money, I know how to spend their money better than they do. I will take their money they earned and give others who did not earn it free college, free health care for Americans and EVERYONE WHO CROSSES THE BORDER, forgive student loan debt, enforce the new green deal. I will demand small businesses regardless of their financial situation to pay at least $15 an hour.

Bernies plan will cost you $60 Trillion.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/bernie-sanders-plan-for-free-stuff-would-cost-at-least-60-trillion/

Pull that much out of the working peoples pockets and watch business fold. Or do some people think the money is just there?


Joe, this one is for you.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/bernie-sanders-the-bum-who-wants-your-money/

My favorite part:  ""The choice in this election is shaping up to be a very clear one. It will likely boil down to a battle between those who create and produce wealth, and those who take it and redistribute it.""
Deserves a Bump...


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Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Possum on January 19, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: Solar on January 19, 2020, 06:23:54 AM
Deserves a Bump...


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:thumbup:
Title: Re: Make $100,000 Working at Taco Bell
Post by: Solar on January 19, 2020, 01:03:57 PM
Quote from: s3779m on January 19, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
:thumbup:
Yeah, it seemed to bring your point full circle which deserved being moved up to the next page.